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Not promoting drugs here...

65 durable postsStarted 2011-05-10Latest 2011-05-17
#99431Post 1 of 65

... just an interesting read.

[QUOTE][B][SIZE=4]Two new scientific studies reveal hallucinogens are good for your mental health[/SIZE][/B]

                          [URL="http://io9.com/people/Annalee/"]                 [IMG]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/commenter/80000/82394_32.jpg[/IMG]         [/URL] [URL="http://io9.com/people/Annalee/"]Annalee Newitz[/URL]                               —                     [IMG]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2010/08/500x_lsdhoffman.jpg[/IMG]  LSD and ketamine, two powerful hallucinogens, are also potential cures  for depression, OCD, and anxiety. Two studies published this week, in [I]Science[/I] and [I]Nature[/I], confirm that hallucinogenic drugs stimulate healthy brain activity, even promoting the growth of neurons.

[B]Ketamine and depression[/B] The study in [I]Science[/I], released today, focused entirely on the drug ketamine. Used frequently as an animal sedative, ketamine can also be used to sedate humans and is also taken recreationally because of its hallucinogenic and euphoric effects. Molecular psychiatrist [URL="http://sites.google.com/site/nanxinli/"]Nanxin Li[/URL] and colleagues dosed rats with modest amounts of ketamine, and observed that the drug boosted signaling between neurons in the brain, and even led to healthy growth of synapses. (Chronic depression can be linked to inhibited synaptic growth.) Ultimately, they concluded that ketamine might be useful in treating depression because it increases brain activity instantly - so there is no need to wait weeks or months for the drug to take effect.

[URL="http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2010/08/psychedelicstimeline.jpg"][IMG]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2010/08/500x_psychedelicstimeline.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [click to embiggen] [B]LSD and OCD[/B] In the journal [I]Nature Reviews Neuroscience[/I], Franz X. Vollenweider and Michael Kometer gave a broad overview of research into hallucinogens over the past half century. They gathered together research from hundreds of studies on how hallucinogens like LSD, psilocybin, and ketamine affect the brains of healthy people - as well as people suffering from depression and other disorders. Like Li and his colleagues, they found that countless studies show that hallucinogens promote healthy neural activity in the brain. The researchers also created a chart to show what test subjects' states of mind are, according to studies, when under the influence of various substances. [URL="http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2010/08/assessingalteredstates.jpg"][IMG]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2010/08/500x_assessingalteredstates.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [click to embiggen] Vollenweider and Kometer explain the diagram above:[INDENT] "Quantifying altered states of consciousness was problematic in the early years of hallucinogen research. Today, however, there are validated instruments for assessing various aspects of consciousness. According to Dittrich, hallucinogen-induced altered states of consciousness can be reliably measured by the five-dimensional altered states of consciousness (5DASC) rating scale. This scale comprises five primary dimensions and their respective subdimensions (see the figure). The primary dimensions are ‘oceanic boundlessness' (shown by orange boxes), referring to positively experienced loss of ego boundaries that are associated with changes in the sense of time and emotions - ranging from heightened mood to sublime happiness and feelings of unity with the environment; ‘anxious ego-disintegration' (shown by purple boxes), including thought disorder and loss of self-control; ‘visionary restructuralization' (shown by blue boxes), referring to perceptual alterations (such as visual illusions and hallucinations), and altered meaning of percepts; acoustic alterations (not shown), including hypersensitivity to sound and auditory hallucinations; and altered vigilance (not shown)." [/INDENT]Some of these states of mind, such as "boundlessness," are directly linked to increased neural activity in fMRI studies. They conclude:[INDENT] "The clinical findings and current understanding of the mechanisms of action of classical hallucinogens and dissociative anaesthetics converge on the idea that psychedelics might be useful in the treatment of major depression, anxiety disorders and OCD." [/INDENT]Looks like it's time to give hallucinogens a second chance as medicine. Read the full scientific papers via [URL="http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/329/5994/959"]Science[/URL] and [URL="http://www.nature.com/nrn/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/nrn2884.html"]Nature Reviews Neuroscience[/URL] [/QUOTE][URL]http://io9.com/5617273/two-new-scientific-studies-reveal-hallucinogens-are-good-for-your-mental-health[/URL]

#1500549Post 2 of 65

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The "recreational" drug that has been shown in trials to be the most beneficial and the least harmful is mdma :(

#1500559Post 3 of 65

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both have been used in the past in therapy

[url]http://www.mdma.net/alexander-shulgin/mdma.html[/url]

[url]http://www.psychedelic-library.org/grofhist.htm[/url]

#1500563Post 4 of 65

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cant see this is being hailed as a great success in the insomnia world though :lol:

#1500601Post 5 of 65

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ketamine in rats doesn't translate well to ketamine and humans - even if it was published in Science

also the nature reviews is an opinion piece and doesn't add anything new - its not a study in itself;

can you imagine lying down in a fMRI scanner during a trip! fck that;
(so i've been told by others.....)

#1500612Post 6 of 65

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I thought I just read something on boing boing or io9 saying we hallucinate because parts of our brains are deprived of oxygen :p

(K is the only thing that makes me feel like I'm burning holes in my brain, I never touch that again)

#1500615Post 7 of 65

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mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm k

#1500617Post 8 of 65

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^^^^ K-lee.... is that how you pronounce your name? :p

#1500618Post 9 of 65

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it is actually, I am glad you brought that up, it's important to know!

#1500642Post 10 of 65

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[QUOTE=DIDI;954992]The "recreational" drug that has been shown in trials to be the most beneficial and the least harmful is mdma :([/QUOTE]i've heard quite the opposite actually, permanently damaged serotonin production, cant imagine anything worse :(

#1500644Post 11 of 65

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[QUOTE=Haziel;955064]^^^^ K-lee.... is that how you pronounce your name? :p[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Caley Martin;955065]it is actually, I am glad you brought that up, it's important to know![/QUOTE]i'll just call you martin then ;)

#1500648Post 12 of 65

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[QUOTE=thebanned1;955002]both have been used in the past in therapy

[url]http://www.mdma.net/alexander-shulgin/mdma.html[/url]

[url]http://www.psychedelic-library.org/grofhist.htm[/url][/QUOTE]true then it was denied also

i would agree on expanded awareness tho, extremely expanded, fun too :p

#1500658Post 13 of 65

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[QUOTE=Caley Martin;955065]it is actually, I am glad you brought that up, it's important to know![/QUOTE]

Proper :p

#1500659Post 14 of 65

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a couple of shrooms a year...make sure you're not a dull bastard.

#1500662Post 15 of 65

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[QUOTE=Kat;955090]i've heard quite the opposite actually, permanently damaged serotonin production, cant imagine anything worse :([/QUOTE] They would have been old studies, in fact that sounds like the Ricaurte study which was well and truly discounted. It's actually being trialed as a treatment for PTSD [url]http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/725596[/url], [url]http://www.maps.org/research/mdma/[/url]

#1500663Post 16 of 65

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[QUOTE=DIDI;955110]They would have been old studies, in fact that sounds like the Ricaurte study which was well and truly discounted. It's actually being trialed as a treatment for PTSD [URL]http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/725596[/URL], [URL]http://www.maps.org/research/mdma/[/URL][/QUOTE] not a member of Medscape pure mdma maybe, but i wouldnt risk my happy hormone wouldn't go the lsd way either either way, i'm absolutely sure we dont need any chemicals to reach the perfect balance

#1500688Post 17 of 65

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[QUOTE=Kat;955112]not a member of Medscape pure mdma maybe, but i wouldnt risk my happy hormone wouldn't go the lsd way either either way, i'm absolutely sure we dont need any chemicals to reach the perfect balance[/QUOTE] Neither am I , that was just a couple links I found on trials. I was definitely only referring to pure mdma :) Personally I think the worst chemical is actually legal ! The dreaded alchohol !! :) Proven depressant. [URL]http://www.google.com.au/search?q=alcohol+depressant&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a[/URL] I'm not thrilled about anti depressants etc either. They really do have serontonic ill effects. ! Plenty of information available on that !

Btw there are a lot of mentally ill people and their doctors who would disagree with your last statement. Personally I don't have sufficient medical knowledge to form an opinion on that one. :)

#1500697Post 18 of 65

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[QUOTE=DIDI;955138]Personally I think the worst chemical is actually legal !
[/QUOTE]not wanting to sound like :runningman: but this is another thing i'm sure of, it is legal for a reason..

[QUOTE]Btw there are a lot of mentally ill people and their doctors who would disagree with your last statement. [/QUOTE]yeah i know, i'm all about mind over matter for years now and the more i know the more i'm sure of it

#1500699Post 19 of 65

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#1500720Post 20 of 65

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^^^ :lol:

[QUOTE=Kat;955147]not wanting to sound like :runningman: but this is another thing i'm sure of, it is legal for a reason..

yeah i know, i'm all about mind over matter for years now and the more i know the more i'm sure of it[/QUOTE] The one thing I am sure of is that nothing is sure :lol:

Btw What is the reason alcohol is legal ??

#1500723Post 21 of 65

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Taxation, special interests (lobbying) and human weakness...

#1500726Post 22 of 65

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drugs are shit. Users always build a sentence in which the drugs seem to be "natural" or "harmless"or "I use it recreational", and there is where you know they´re deep inside a shithole.

#1500727Post 23 of 65

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[QUOTE=DIDI;955178] Btw What is the reason alcohol is legal ??[/QUOTE]money, power, mass controll as allways

#1500729Post 24 of 65

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[QUOTE=diegoff;955187]drugs are shit. Users always build a sentence in which the drugs seem to be "natural" or "harmless"or "I use it recreational", and there is where you know they´re deep inside a shithole.[/QUOTE]:lol: well said

#1500733Post 25 of 65

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[QUOTE=diegoff;955187]drugs are shit. Users always build a sentence in which the drugs seem to be "natural" or "harmless"or "I use it recreational", and there is where you know they´re deep inside a shithole.[/QUOTE] Are you talking legal or illegal drugs .?? This thread has got me researching :lol: Which I really don't have time to do !! :) But it's fun :lol:

Shpira and Kat , probably all of the above :lol:

#1500736Post 26 of 65

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[QUOTE=diegoff;955187]drugs are shit. Users always build a sentence in which the drugs seem to be "natural" or "harmless"or "I use it recreational", and there is where you know they´re deep inside a shithole.[/QUOTE]

I disagree...i do drugs...maybe 4 times a year...i would hardly call myself an addict... I live healthy...exercise...really don't see a problem.

#1500737Post 27 of 65

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i myself dont consider weed as a drug i wont touch anything synthetical ever again. even red bull or shit like that. did you know that it takes 6 years to get red bull out of your system... yuk

#1500739Post 28 of 65

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I consider myself a functional druggie.

#1500747Post 29 of 65

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[QUOTE=Kat;955201]i myself dont consider weed as a drug [/QUOTE]

highly disagree with this statement ..... if you think weed is safe then think again

#1500752Post 30 of 65

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i honestly think that when they are pure...they are all safe...in moderation of course

#1500763Post 31 of 65

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legalized MDMA! :RockOn:

its the shit they cut it with that fucks you!

#1500772Post 32 of 65

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Drugs FTW

<3 my prozac lol

#1500823Post 33 of 65

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[QUOTE=Shpira;955218]i honestly think that when they are pure...they are all safe...in moderation of course[/QUOTE]

moderation is the key word but introducing a foreign chemical into the body is inherently dangerous no matter how you look @ it and the same chemical can have a different effect on each individual, this is why prescription medicine goes through so many trials and tests before its released and even then there is no garentee that different people will have the same reaction everytime

#1500839Post 34 of 65

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[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/8507251/Volunteers-to-take-ecstasy-pills-live-on-Channel-4.html[/url]

#1500874Post 35 of 65

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[QUOTE=diegoff;955187]drugs are shit. Users always build a sentence in which the drugs seem to be "natural" or "harmless"or "I use it recreational", and there is where you know they´re deep inside a shithole.[/QUOTE]

I also disagree with that. I don't claim "natural" or "harmless" because in reality everything in too high doses can be harmful, natural or otherwise. I do believe that someone can use Illegal or legal drugs recreationally and not be deep inside a shithole. Sure you may not have as much money as if you never did them, but using a drug maybe once a month, or as said earlier 4 times a year in my opinion isn't bad at all.

#1500926Post 36 of 65

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[QUOTE=thebanned1;955309]moderation is the key word but introducing a foreign chemical into the body is inherently dangerous no matter how you look @ it and the same chemical can have a different effect on each individual, this is why prescription medicine goes through so many trials and tests before its released and even then there is no garentee that different people will have the same reaction everytime[/QUOTE] And yet prescription medicine kills double the number of people as illicit drugs. US stats.

Interesting link :lol:

#1500949Post 37 of 65

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#1500953Post 38 of 65

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[QUOTE=Kat;955201]i myself dont consider weed as a drug i wont touch anything synthetical ever again. even red bull or shit like that. did you know that it takes 6 years to get red bull out of your system... yuk[/QUOTE]

do you have something to back that up with?

#1500954Post 39 of 65

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:lol:

#1500955Post 40 of 65

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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ECOJI.jpg[/IMG]

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