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did someone say HUGS ... yeah I like HUGS :Who:
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Not promoting drugs here...
65 durable postsStarted 2011-05-10Latest 2011-05-17
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[QUOTE=jay813;955464]do you have something to back that up with?[/QUOTE]well kinda, it was on the news here couple of years ago the studies were made after a young girl died here of xtc overdose
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^^ sound like bull to me...pun intended :)
anyway the three active ingrediants in red bull are: Caffeine, Taurine and Glucuronolactone. None of these would accumulate in your body...for any periods of time. That said red bull is nasty stuff...and should be taken with great caution IMO. Just like any serious supplement or drug.
[QUOTE]Taurine increases the amount of potassium, sodium, calcium and magnesium into and out of the cells, these ions being involved in nerve signals, acting as an inhibitory neurotransmitter (and mild sedative) and antioxidant. But most researches have shown that taurine does not give more energy, even if it might help in decreasing muscle fatigue and it potentially steadies irregular heartbeats.
Glucuronolactone is produced by the liver and it is also found in many plant gums. It is believed to fight against fatigue, being a stimulant and boosting memory and concentration. It increases the serotonin ("well-being") hormone levels. But it won't grow wings.
Caffeine seems to be Red Bull's most active component. This alkaloid found in coffee and guarana and even in tea and chocolate, works by stimulating your brain, the same as amphetamines, cocaine, and heroin do. A 300 ml of caffeinated energy drink contains the caffeine quantity from an 150 ml cup of coffee. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]The potential side effects of each ingredient alone and in conjunction with each other is up for debate, as modern science has yet to develop and any concrete health-related drawbacks.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=DIDI;955436]And yet prescription medicine kills double the number of people as illicit drugs. US stats.
Interesting link :lol:[/QUOTE]
yup :lol:
there are more people who take prescription meds in the US than there is that take illicit drugs though... balances that one out a bit. :what
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[QUOTE=Shpira;955539]^^ sound like bull to me...pun intended :)
anyway the three active ingrediants in red bull are: Caffeine, Taurine and Glucuronolactone. None of these would accumulate in your body...for any periods of time. That said red bull is nasty stuff...and should be taken with great caution IMO. Just like any serious supplement or drug.[/QUOTE]
thats cool but i dont believe caffeine, taurine and glucu.... are the only ingredients anyway neither of us can be sure whats the gunk they are selling to us in many products
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[QUOTE=thebanned1;955587]yup :lol:
there are more people who take prescription meds in the US than there is that take illicit drugs though... balances that one out a bit. :what[/QUOTE]yeah lol well its sad really
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[QUOTE=thebanned1;955587]yup :lol:
there are more people who take prescription meds in the US than there is that take illicit drugs though... balances that one out a bit. :what[/QUOTE]
there is a really good documentary on prescription medicine that I saw recently...its all to do with the fact that psychologists were paid to promote and prescribe that shit...as always...
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[QUOTE=Shpira;955595]there is a really good documentary on prescription medicine that I saw recently...its all to do with the fact that psychologists were paid to promote and prescribe that shit...as always...[/QUOTE]
its big business m8 so its marketed like anything else
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the makers of prescription meds know that the product isn't always perfect and are always looking to produce new less damaging medicine, so by promoting it as much as they can helps aid in that process as they are getting valuable info on how it effects each patient thus helping them improve their product, these guys can take a side effect of a medicine and narrow down what particular part of that medicine is causing the side effect in labs, i cant exactly see the guys that first cooked up meth running around in a panic when they see just how damaging it is to a human
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Anything in moderation is the key. Just because it not legal it doesn't mean its not safe it's just a social stance. People running about on LSD would make a great society. I've done alsorts and couldn't care less what its been cut with, thats the chose you take when you buy it. The body is an amazingly resilient thing. If you need any convincing look at your local park tramp who eat no nutrients and drinks a bottle of vodka a day he's still alive. Happy Days
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[QUOTE=Shpira;955595]there is a really good documentary on prescription medicine that I saw recently...its all to do with the fact that psychologists were paid to promote and prescribe that shit...as always...[/QUOTE] You don't have a link to that do you .?? A friend was going to give it to me ages ago and I'm sick of nagging. :)
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Mdma causes neurons( millions) to dehydrate and die .... another term for irreversible damage .
Enjoy the show people! :p
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[QUOTE=thebanned1;955623]the makers of prescription meds know that the product isn't always perfect and are always looking to produce new less damaging medicine, so by promoting it as much as they can helps aid in that process as they are getting valuable info on how it effects each patient thus helping them improve their product, these guys can take a side effect of a medicine and narrow down what particular part of that medicine is causing the side effect in labs, i cant exactly see the guys that first cooked up meth running around in a panic when they see just how damaging it is to a human[/QUOTE]
True. Street drugs like meth and crack are definately worse on an INDIVIDUAL basis, than your average pharmaceutical. I emphasize on the individual, because the prescriptions are being taken in such quanities the subtleties are damaging to an entire society. Your above statement all but verifies that we are their guinea pigs. These pills are released before we truly understand any of the long-term effects. I think I'll stick with weed.
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[QUOTE=Haziel;955810]Mdma causes neurons( millions) to dehydrate and die .... another term for irreversible damage .
Enjoy the show people! :p[/QUOTE]links please ??
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Wow between the loud music and recreational abuse I should be ready for cadaver status, hmmmm.
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[QUOTE=stephen028;955811] I think I'll stick with weed.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=DIDI;955818]links please ??[/QUOTE]
this might help di
[url]http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&xhr=t&q=documentary+of+pharmaceutical+companies&cp=20&pf=p&sclient=psy&safe=off&source=hp&aq=0j&aqi=&aql=&oq=documentary+of+pharm&pbx=1&fp=1512da287c2ebdcb[/url]
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^^ Thank you !!They weren't actually the links I was asking for in that case. But I did ask for them earlier. Helps if you know the name :lol:
Just had a quick look at some of those and it's even scarier than I thought :shock:
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[QUOTE=DIDI;955801]You don't have a link to that do you .?? A friend was going to give it to me ages ago and I'm sick of nagging. :)[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;Y1nbZCNDgbY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1nbZCNDgbY[/video]
part one - its called Marketing of Madness
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[QUOTE=Shpira;956845][video=youtube;Y1nbZCNDgbY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1nbZCNDgbY[/video]
part one - its called Marketing of Madness[/QUOTE]I've downloaded 5 parts so far :lol: Thank you ! :D
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thanks! everyone should watch these
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I actually downloaded that by accident first time...was looking for a documentary on the expansion of Marketing as a discipline...tracking the growth of industry over time but got this instead :) I think its especially relevant in the West particularly USA of course...the prescription market doesn't seem to be as big in Europe.
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[QUOTE=Kat;956872]thanks! everyone should watch these[/QUOTE]
Eh, I watched the first one and I am already skeptical of their comments. I'll agree that many people can self-heal themselves without meds, but there are many people who need treatment because there are certainly chemical imbalances. The documentary looks to have more shock and awe. There's more to Bipolar Disorder than 'ups and downs' and there's more to depression than feeling down.
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[QUOTE=Shpira;956876]I actually downloaded that by accident first time...was looking for a documentary on the expansion of Marketing as a discipline...tracking the growth of industry over time but got this instead :) I think its especially relevant in the West particularly USA of course...the prescription market doesn't seem to be as big in Europe.[/QUOTE]
Could largely be due to regulations which aren't necessarily always a good thing. I'll have to get into this after I finish my exam in a few months. Just thought I'd drop in and plays devil advocate quickly.
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It is when peoples health is at stake.