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do you think we will see even the remotest possibility (in this lifetime) of
A) Finding out there is life elsewhere (other than earth) B) CERN will finally announce they have discovered the prospects of successfully performing an "expriment" related to time travel C) Space travel will actually become an affordable public affair
-e-
a) yes b) whats CERN and no way. c) no way
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[quote=Encryption] A) Finding out there is life elsewhere (other than earth)[/quote] Not in my lifetime. [quote] B) CERN will finally announce they have discovered the prospects of successfully performing an "expriment" related to time travel[/quote] No. From what I've read it is still believed to be virtually impossible. [quote] C) Space travel will actually become an affordable public affair [/quote] Yes. Affordable for those that have the disposable income to do so.
a) yes - but life meaning - microorganisms or similar -not the martians of folklore b) whats CERN c) airtravel isnt hardly affordable to most of the planet - why would space travel be cheap??
a) No, they will find us first b) no, they are still analysing data from the 60s c) no, space travel will be a necessity and provided free when we need to evacuate the planet
:mrgreen:
well not CERN (in specifics) but similar to time travel experiments have been conducted in Labs (I think it was MIT) that lazers were accelerated faster than their existing speeds and they ended up arriving their destinations micro milli-seconds before being fired
as for life on other planets, I saw an epsidoe of NOVA (on PBS) where Seth Shostak said that SETI will get some sort of confirmation by 2025 latest...
CERN is particle physics labroratory involved in some serious atomic / nuclear level testing of particles
-e-
rather than a yes / no monosyllibic exam, it would be interesting to see the birth of independant and wild opinions too
-e-
Re: To revive an old topic...
[quote=Encryption]A) Finding out there is life elsewhere (other than earth) B) CERN will finally announce they have discovered the prospects of successfully performing an "expriment" related to time travel C) Space travel will actually become an affordable public affair[/quote]
A) Not in my lifetime, so I've to answer No!
B) That's always something that makes me curious.. time travel, but it's all about Sci-Fi, it's impossible!
C) Yes, it was done once or twice.. but only for millionars :)
CHEERS
[quote=Encryption]rather than a yes / no monosyllibic exam, it would be interesting to see the birth of independant and wild opinions too
-e-[/quote]
[quote=Encryption]well not CERN (in specifics) but similar to time travel experiments have been conducted in Labs (I think it was MIT) that lazers were accelerated faster than their existing speeds and they ended up arriving their destinations micro milli-seconds before being fired [/quote]
I just spent the last 20 minutes trying to figure this one out in my head. My brain fucking hurts now. I guess that's what makes the guys/gals working on these projects so special though.
Here's my question: If the laser arrived prior to being fired, can we conclude that everything (i.e. philosophically speaking) is planned out for us? How did the arriving beam know that there wouldn't be a malfunction in the firing mechanism?
The action of firing the laser took place. Then time travel happened. If there was a malfunction, the whole thing never would have happened. Travelling back repeating what has already happened.
^^As an English grad, i'd like to apologize for that poorly constructed sequence of words.
This is really too much for me right now, gotta get back into it when you guys get a little more going, and i get more coffee in me. Thinker not funkshunen rite!
The answer to ur question is as follows
Yes, thye have already found them, there called liberal americans. LOL
NO
Yes, but probably not for a little while yet and you will probably only be available to really rich people.
[quote=Jenks]The action of firing the laser took place. Then time travel happened. If there was a malfunction, the whole thing never would have happened. Travelling back repeating what has already happened.[/quote]
Ok, I was confused then by what -e- meant when he said, "they ended up arriving their destinations micro milli-seconds before being fired." So, it was fired, time travel took place, and it arrived "micro milli-seconds" before it should have?
^^ Bingo
-e-, you don't happen to have any information pertaining to this experiment do you? A link or something. This kind of stuff fascinates me and is one of the reasons I thoroughly enjoy reading Hawking, Thorne, Weinberg, etc.
sec let me find it, I read about it a long fucking time ago.... there were a spate of experiments carried out with light particles where they were slowed down to a halt and also speed it up .... I'm still looking for the one where they sped it up but here's the one where they slowed it down
[url]http://www.msnbc.com/news/242698.asp?cp1=1[/url]
-e-
A) Yes, Mars. B) No chance. C) Mm, potential there... though i think commercial airlines will adpot this as a quicker means of global travel, maybe in the next 50 years...
Well the answer to number 2 is a resounding "Yes, it's already been done." (I forgot that I read the part about the atomic clocks in Hawking's "A Brief History of Time.")
(taken from: [url]http://www.walterzeichner.com/thezfiles/timetravel.html[/url]) [quote]Still, travel into the future has already been proven. In 1975, Professor Carrol Alley tested Einstein's theory by using two synchronized atomic clocks--one on an airplane and the other on the ground. At the end of the flight, the one on the plane was behind the one on the ground. Time had slowed for the clock on the plane--it had traveled forward in time.
Princeton professor J. Richard Gott notes in his book Time Travel in Einstein's Universe that the world's most accomplished time traveler is the cosmonaut Sergie Avdeyev, who was on board the MIR space station for 748 days. Gott calculated that Avdeyev, traveling at 17,000 miles per hour for more than two years, traveled into the future by about 1/50th of a second.
Big deal. True, a miniscule amount of time. But what if it were possible to travel at light speed--put aside the technical problems, the massive amounts of energy required, and the tremendous friction that such a vessel would encounter as the universe around it got increasingly flat and heavy.
British physicist Steven Preston notes on his website that in a Newtonian Universe--where time flows equally with regard to everything--a trip to Andromeda, some 2.2 million light years away, would take about 2,065 years.
But because of special relativity, it might take a spaceship an entire year to accelerate to the speed of light, so 365 days. But after that period, it would take no time at all to reach Andromeda. The distance would have shrunk to zero.
So it would take a year for an astronaut to reach Andromeda and a year to get back. Two years.
But his twin brother on the ground would have been dead for just under 2.2 million years. That's travel into the future and it is consistent with the laws of nature.[/quote]
while I cant specifically locate the article I had read, here are a few that sort of depict what I am refering to
[url]http://plus.maths.org/issue12/news/fasterThanLight/[/url] [url]http://www.iitk.ac.in/infocell/Archive/dirjuly3/science_light.html[/url]
-e-
I don't think we would find something out there anytime soon if it's there and seti may look for the wrong way "they" communicate or whatever.
About that CERN thing there are some weird things related to some story from a few years back about a guy posting on the forums he was a time traveller, here's some info : [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor[/url]
I'm not saying i believe this but facts might be facts unless ofcourse it's some twisted marketing scam from Cern :NotMe:
Sure for the third one but it depends on how old you are :P
the reason I mentioned CERN is because of Palmer and thanks to him for introducing me to John Titor
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor[/url] (<-- thanks to Muggeh for that link)
-e-
[quote]An American civil war is brought on by increasingly intrusive police state tactics more or less resembling the massacres at Waco and Ruby Ridge. The civil war is effectively ended by Russia in 2015 when it commences nuclear warfare on most major US cities, eliminating the federal government and thereby securing a 'victory' for the rural forces. By 2036, people are making progress in recovering from the war. There are five US states (the seat of government is in Nebraska). Society is considerably decentralized, focused on tight-knit rural communities. There is more emphasis on religion, personal interaction (as opposed to mass media and other sources of social isolation) and self-sufficiency. Technology does not seem to be widely affected, however, with "predictable" advances such as rapid rail transport between cities, space travel and genetic engineering. Water must still be filtered or distilled to remove radioactive particles and life is harsh, [b]with people expected to work in the fields to produce locally-grown food for part of their day.[/b][/quote]
:shock: :shock: :shock:
if you think that was interesting ska, check out a transcript of his chat logs on IRC.... BRILLIANT.... its very detailed and the guy comes off as an original, just like Bob Lazar, who claims he worked on alien technology at AREA 51 and was interviewed by some LA RADIO STATION. His story had some intriguingly accurate physics problems and solutions to gravitational implementation in assisting with speed of light travel
anyways here is an IRC log of Titor's chat...
[url]http://www.anomalies.net/time_traveler/irc.html[/url] :RockOn:
-e-
Thanks brother I'll check that out.
^^ Take the rest of the afternoon off, you wont be able to stop reading that shite.... I'm scared to open the fucking page myself :lol:
-e-
Re: To revive an old topic...
[quote=Encryption]do you think we will see even the remotest possibility (in this lifetime) of
A) Finding out there is life elsewhere (other than earth) B) CERN will finally announce they have discovered the prospects of successfully performing an "expriment" related to time travel C) Space travel will actually become an affordable public affair
-e-[/quote]
[list] A] Well, there's 2 possibilities: either they exist, or they don't. If they do exist, there's another 2 possibilities: either they're smarter, or they're dumber. If they're smarter than us, they will probably get the fuck out of here when they see what we're doing here. If they're dumber than us, I don't wanna have anything to with them...
B] Time travelling...even if it were possible: if you change one litltle detail, that could have immense consequences I think. You'd set in motion a chain of reactions which will have a totally different outcome than it would have. I believe in coincidence, which means it could either have a big, or almost no effect. But I do believe that you could influence certain moments that have been vital to a large part of human history.
Dangerous.
I don't exclude the possibility, but with my knowledge of quantummechanics a prediction is just going to be a gamble...
C] I think it is possible in the long range...for now it will be a matter of the superrich on the planet... [/list]
Now what about [b]Time Portals[/b]? :Naughty:
-Psynce-
Time Portals ? in another word black hole ? or even better Worm Hole ?
-e-
Could be an option, if it doesn't rip you apart (what it is supposed to do....)
[quote=Yao]Could be an option, if it doesn't rip you apart (what it is supposed to do....)[/quote]
But if you read what TimeTraveler has to say in the link -e- posted it is possible without ripping you apart.
-e-: You warned me and I didn't listen. I'm completely befuddled by this guy. Amazing.
I told you man, what the guy types in there is so bloody brilliant, you cant stop fucking reading it.... esp what he says about travelling back in time and re-appearing in the middle of a mountain or a rock.... kinda like what happened to the folks in the Philadelphia Experiment :shock: :shock: IS THIS FUCKING DEJA VU or WHAT.... got the creepiest feeling typing that line
-e-
[quote=Encryption]esp what he says about travelling back in time and re-appearing in the middle of a mountain or a rock.... [/quote]
Yeah, that the time machine and camera were 15 miles away and 3000 feet in the air. :shock:
read on bruva read on :RockOn:
a) it could be possible. b) that will be amazing. b) why not?
I love these threads.
[url]http://sargel18.iwarp.com/oopa.htm[/url]
Re: To revive an old topic...
[quote=Encryption]do you think we will see even the remotest possibility (in this lifetime) of
A) Finding out there is life elsewhere (other than earth) B) CERN will finally announce they have discovered the prospects of successfully performing an "expriment" related to time travel C) Space travel will actually become an affordable public affair
-e-[/quote]
Great topic -e-, I always love this stuff.
A) Yes- eventually. I think our government has already aware of alien life forms but for our own "protection" they choose not to tell us. Maybe I'm just to easily sold on conspiracy theories but lately I've been turned on to something I saw on the History Channel- The Bible Code.
I've never been religious, for the longest time I even considered myself atheist. After seeing a Wayne Dyer special on PBS I've really had to reconsider my beliefs. Anyhow RE the Bible Code. Some Israeli statistician(sp?) found 'codes' hidden in the bible which have an amazing amount of relevance to our current day and the future. Some top member of the NSA or some such organization set out to disprove this and only convinced himself. Things like 9/11 are in there, almost any major headline can be found. Hitler crossing Nazi, Clinton crossing president, Hussein falling and dates indicating his capture. You just have to look into this and you'll be fascinated to say the least. But back to aliens and such, in the bible code it also has ROSWELL with ALIEN. Ooh, forgot to mention, our government is now relying on this information: [url]http://www.thebiblecode.com/pdf/Secret_Pentagon_Briefing_l.pdf[/url]
B) As Ska pointed out, the existence of time travel has already been proven. I remember seeing the video of the experiment where they use 2 clocks, 1 which flys around the world and the other that stays stationary, back when I was a Junior in HS. So far we only know how go fractional amounts forward in time, but I think eventually CERN or someone else will figure out what is needed to really go places (or times).
I'm going to also go on a tangent here since I saw your mention of John Titor. I ended up reading much of his posts and while very convincing I did catch one of his slip ups which made me believe the whole thing was a hoax. Throughout his posts he indicates that from an outside prospective (that of one not traveling through time) only a second had passed (think of the movie Contact). But in another post he mentions that there were other time travelers that had left before him and were not back before he left... well he completely contradicts himself since if he were watching another tt leave he would have seen him back a second later. Others say that his story has been proven false, I'm not sure based on what criteria, but based on my findings I believe it was a well constructed hoax.
If you really want something to think about try doing a search on the Montauk project, it was supposedly spawned off of the Philadelphia project and some think it may still be running by a clandestine govt. group, even though Congress hearings indicate the project stopped.
C) I believe this is just going to be a time/technology factor. With spaceship 1's flights being successful, Virgin has launched Virgin Galactic and are now working on spaceship 2 which is to hold ~9 people. Initially this will surely be for the wealthy but with time and technology advancements this will become an option for us regular folk.
Than again we may not even need spaceships, NASA is now funding research into the [url=http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/space_elevator_040629.html]Space Elevator[/url]. This was a wild idea proposed by Arthur Clark in one of his books... the same guy that came up with the "wild" idea of putting satellites in space. Fascinating ain't it?
[quote=skahound][quote=Yao]Could be an option, if it doesn't rip you apart (what it is supposed to do....)[/quote]
But if you read what TimeTraveler has to say in the link -e- posted it is possible without ripping you apart.
-e-: You warned me and I didn't listen. I'm completely befuddled by this guy. Amazing.[/quote]
Amazing yes, but I think he's a nutcase. Sorry. Have you seen the movie K-Pax? That was the first thing that came to mind.
I don't believe untill I see.
neoee: Fantastic post. :RockOn:
[quote=skahound]neoee: Fantastic post. :RockOn:[/quote]
Thanks! The unknown always gets my brain turning.