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[QUOTE=runningman;858576]I don't know any conspiracy about the oil rig.. I was being sarcastic ddr.
I mean you have to admit that it is kind of funny that the biggest oil spill in history happened on Earth Day.[/QUOTE] It is actually a time when ironic is the right word.
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[QUOTE=DIDI;858605]Yeah and perhaps we would have been better off if it was left as part of the planet. But stable doors and all that .:) That's all a bit silly actually :lol: It's what we do with oil that makes it all the bad things , if we left it in the ground it would just fine . Bit like uranium.
Btw what is a gaianist.?? Dictionary doesn't seem to know it.[/QUOTE]
The religion of environmentalism. The Church of Green. The people that think the planet has a 'consciousness' and so forth. The people who think man is inherently evil and that 'the earth would be better of if we were all dead" or who otherwise want to eliminate man's rise above living without any use of manufactured goods, etc.... (people who dress up like the Na'vi, or who had deep emotional connections with that ficticious group of people).
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That sounds like a preview of Avatar :lol: Is it?? I haven't seen and don't want to just quietly !!
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I'm wondering out loud here, but I don't think there is any way they can close this hole, except for....
....a small-yield nuclear bomb detonated just over the hole, sealing it up.
Absent that, it's going to be at the very least, WEEKS before anything can be done. And that's too long to wait at this point (on a best-case scenario).
Consider for a moment that BP + Contractors best equipment was utterly destroyed by the massive pressure of that oil coming pushing out. The only real alternative at this point is to 1) get a new rig out there (somehow) and 2) place it over the hole and 3) start collecting the oil coming out. Now try getting someone down there at the bottom, even a roving underwater machine, to accomplish that feat. It just seems....impossible in the near future.
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They should jam the Queen of Englands big ass to fill the hole since it is her company that fucked it up.
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Be careful what you say about our beautiful monarch or she'll sell that shithole you're living in back to the musket droppers :lol:
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[QUOTE=runningman;859228]They should jam the Queen of Englands big ass to fill the hole since it is her company that fucked it up.[/QUOTE]
what the...i don't even...
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did I stutter?
Jus Playin..........
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[QUOTE=runningman;859328]did I stutter?
Jus Playin..........[/QUOTE]
What basis do you have for blaming the queen of england?
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^That's what trolls do ffs. They instigate... the joke is on us Americans that fall for RMs antics and semantics all the time... As soon as we stop responding with serious responses he starts talking about Jews or Miroslav, or in this case the Queen of England... hmm wonder why?
Just Kidding
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is this horrible disaster ever going to get better. i hope it avoids our states beautiful coasts. fla will suffer greatly if it doesnt.
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from the looks of it, the damage seems to have been exaggerated a little bit. that's just the news agencies saying this.
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[QUOTE=88Mariner;861589]from the looks of it, the damage seems to have been exaggerated a little bit. that's just the news agencies saying this.[/QUOTE]
Whew. I guess we can downgrade this disaster from "apocalyptic" to "catastrophic." ;)
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Regardless of what the media makes of it (they exaggerate everything in my opinion), it's still a terrible situation and will take a huge toll on the Gulf Coast's tourism, seafood, and oil industries.
The smell was so strong in the air this past Monday.
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sounds shitty man, hope it improves
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it's a shame; between this catastophic spill, and (as well as the many other well recored fuck ups): [URL="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/unleashed/2010/05/wayward-gray-whale-dies-in-waters-off-dana-point.html"]http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/unleashed/2010/05/wayward-gray-whale-dies-in-waters-off-dana-point.html[/URL]
we are like a virus (...), until we learn how to live not li3k faggots. shit's gnarly.
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tar balls found off the coast of Key West Florida....
[URL]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36740125/vp/34328514#34328514?from=en-us_msnhp>1=43001[/URL]
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You guys are just conspiracy theorists. There isn't an oil spill.. Geesh.. I mean it is hardly in the news so it can't be happening.
This is being done on purpose. I don't believe for one second that they can't stop this oil volcano. Drop a bomb on it to close it up. This is being let go on purpose.
Florida you are the trolls troll man let me tell ya..
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doesnt seem to much interest in this if u watch the news anymore. but the spill has reached the loop current and is heading towards the keys then Miami Beach.
Here are animated models that show the flow of the loop current.
Loop Current Oil Flow Annimated Model [URL]http://ocg6.marine.usf.edu/~liu/oil_spill_ensemble_forecast.html[/URL]
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sigh..........it's a f*cked up situation on all levels, no matter what angle you take on it.
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with all the technologies today, i can't believe there is no good way to stop the oil leak. fuckin terrible.
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[url]http://globalwarming.house.gov/spillcam[/url]
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[QUOTE=PROG;863095]with all the technologies today, i can't believe there is no good way to stop the oil leak. fuckin terrible.[/QUOTE]
There is a way, BP just wanted to try and contain that oil so they wouldn't have to build a new rig (cost around $4 billion). There is a plan in the works to pump mud and cement into the busted pipe over the weekend. We'll see.
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that's great, but all the time wasted is going to have massive irreversible effects already, fuckin assholes, this could have been prevented
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[url]http://www.fuckbp.net/[/url]
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^^ And if you fill it out you will probably end up on a terrorist watch list somewhere.
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This has gotten ridiculous. If the government could stop this regardless if BP stands to lose money or future production, they should have done it days ago. I feel that Obama, the government and the media aren't taking this that seriously.
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[QUOTE=superdave;863414]This has gotten ridiculous. If the government could stop this regardless if BP stands to lose money or future production, they should have done it days ago. I feel that Obama, the government and the media aren't taking this that seriously.[/QUOTE]
you wanna know how seriously they're taking it? You know that video of the leak at the bottom of the gulf showing the oil spilling out? Yeah, that video sat at the white house for about two weeks (iirc) until some third party managed to get it to the press. The white house isn't interested in helping out for two reasons. 1) obama has already pushed for new gulf drilling, so he's going to look like a tard to the hippies that concern themselves with such things and uninformed window lickers. 2) this gives obama carte blanche to push for more regulations and taxes on corporate america.
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[QUOTE=clintlove;863302]There is a way, BP just wanted to try and contain that oil so they wouldn't have to build a new rig (cost around $4 billion). There is a plan in the works to pump mud and cement into the busted pipe over the weekend. We'll see.[/QUOTE]
around 4 billion, serious? i see it all the time these numbers are always outrageous to me or and i the only one? whether its fixing or helping i just don't believe it. i bet it's something much simple than this billion. these greedy bastards are willing to take but not willing to take care of it when it busts. F these guys.
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gonna keep posting this fyi
[url]http://www.fuckbp.net/[/url]
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[QUOTE=runningman;863411]^^ And if you fill it out you will probably end up on a terrorist watch list somewhere.[/QUOTE]
:roflmao: what?
Re: Oil leak in Gulf of Mexico off coast of LA
[QUOTE=floridaorange;863474]:roflmao: what?[/QUOTE]Yeah, :lol: The conspiracy theorists have really come out for this one.
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what conspiracy? That 20k barrels a day are going into the ocean? Or more like 250k.... You watch it will come out that people that petitioned the BP oil spill will be on watch lists as political activists. I mean Ron Paul supporters are already on watch lists why not oil volcano activists??
The blind leading the deaf on here..
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I find this quite curious also...
[QUOTE]While some data were being transmitted to shore for safekeeping right up until the April 20 blast, officials from Transocean, the rig owner, told Congress that the last seven hours of its data are missing and that all written logs were lost in the explosion.[/QUOTE]
[URL]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100513/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill[/URL]
Such a coincidence eh? Sorry! All of the evidence apparently went missing. No black box & no log. I guess it's all legit then.
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^ No doubt mate.
So is this just a freak occurrence? I still think nothing happens without reason...
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[QUOTE=runningman;863497]what conspiracy? That 20k barrels a day are going into the ocean? Or more like 250k.... You watch it will come out that people that petitioned the BP oil spill will be on watch lists as political activists. I mean Ron Paul supporters are already on watch lists why not oil volcano activists??
[B][I][U]The blind leading the deaf on here..[/U][/I][/B][/QUOTE]
Welcome to America!
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i heard a space laser destroyed the oil rig. anyone see that story?
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I thought it was due to aeroplane (?)
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WASHINGTON - In the days since President Obama announced a moratorium on permits for drilling new offshore oil wells and a halt to a controversial type of environmental waiver that was given to the Deepwater Horizon rig, at least seven new permits for various types of drilling and five environmental waivers have been granted, according to records.
The records also indicate that since the April 20 explosion on the rig, federal regulators have granted at least 19 environmental waivers for gulf drilling projects and at least 17 drilling permits, most of which were for types of work like that on the Deepwater Horizon shortly before it exploded, pouring a ceaseless current of oil into the Gulf of Mexico.
Asked about the permits and waivers, officials at the Department of the Interior and the Minerals Management Service, which regulates drilling, pointed to public statements by Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, reiterating that the agency had no intention of stopping all new oil and gas production in the gulf.
Department of the Interior officials said in a statement that the moratorium was meant only to halt permits for the drilling of new wells. It was not meant to stop permits for new work on existing drilling projects like the Deepwater Horizon. But critics say the moratorium has been violated or too narrowly defined to prevent another disaster.
[B]Conflicting statements[/B] With crude oil still pouring into the gulf and washing up on beaches and in wetlands, President Obama is sending Mr. Salazar and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano back to the region on Monday.
In a toughly worded warning to BP on Sunday, Mr. Salazar said at a news conference outside the company’s headquarters in Houston, “If we find they’re not doing what they’re supposed to be doing, we’ll push them out of the way appropriately.”
Mr. Salazar’s position conflicted with one laid out several hours earlier, by the commandant of the United States Coast Guard, Adm. Thad W. Allen, who said that the oil conglomerate’s access to the mile-deep well site meant that the government could not take over the lead in efforts to stop the leak.
“They have the eyes and ears that are down there,” the admiral said on CNN’s “State of the Union” program. “They are necessarily the modality by which this is going to get solved.” Since the explosion, federal regulators have been harshly criticized for giving BP’s Deepwater Horizon and hundreds of other drilling projects waivers from full environmental review and for failing to provide rigorous oversight of these projects.
In voicing his frustration with these regulators and vowing to change how they operate, Mr. Obama announced on May 14 a moratorium on drilling new wells and the granting of environmental waivers. “It seems as if permits were too often issued based on little more than assurances of safety from the oil companies,” Mr. Obama said. “That cannot and will not happen anymore.” “We’re also closing the loophole that has allowed some oil companies to bypass some critical environmental reviews,” he added in reference to the environmental waivers.
[B]Statutory requirement[/B] But records indicated that regulators continued granting the environmental waivers and permits for types of work like that occurring on the Deepwater Horizon.
In testifying before Congress on May 18, Mr. Salazar and officials from his agency said they recognized the problems with the waivers and they intended to try to rein them in. But Mr. Salazar also said that he was limited by a statutory requirement that he said obligated his agency to process drilling requests within 30 days after they have been submitted.
“That is what has driven a number of the categorical exclusions that have been given over time in the gulf,” he said. But critics remained unsatisfied. Shown the data indicating that waivers and permits were still being granted, Senator Benjamin L. Cardin, Democrat of Maryland, said he was “deeply troubled.” “We were given the clear impression that these waivers and permits were not being granted,” said Mr. Cardin, who is a member of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, where Mr. Salazar testified last week. “I think the presumption should be that there should be stronger environmental reviews, not weaker.”
None of the projects that have recently been granted environmental waivers have started drilling.
However, these waivers have been especially troublesome to environmentalists because they were granted through a special legal provision that is supposed to be limited to projects that present minimal or no risk to the environment. At least six of the drilling projects that have been given waivers in the past four weeks are for waters that are deeper — and therefore more difficult and dangerous — than where Deepwater Horizon was operating. While that rig, which was drilling at a depth just shy of 5,000 feet, was classified as a deep-water operation, many of the wells in the six projects are classified as “ultra” deep water, including four new wells at over 9,100 feet.
In explaining why they were still granting new permits for certain types of drilling on existing wells, Department of the Interior officials said some of the procedures being allowed are necessary for the safety of the existing wellbore.
Pending the recommendations of the 30-day safety review, the officials said, drilling under permits approved before April 20 “may go forward, along with applications to modify existing wells and permits, if those actions are determined to be appropriate.” But Interior Department officials have also explained that one of the main justifications of the moratorium on new drilling was safety. The moratorium was meant to ensure that no new accidents occurred while the administration had time to review the regulatory system.
And yet, the federal Occupational Safety and Health Administration has classified some of the drilling types that have been allowed to continue as being as hazardous as new well drilling. Federal records also indicate that there have been at least three major accidents involving spills, leaks or explosions on rigs in the gulf since 2002 caused by the drilling procedures still being permitted. “The moratorium does not even cover the dangerous drilling that caused the problem in the first place,” said Daniel J. Rohlf, a law professor at Lewis & Clark Law School, adding he was not certain that the Interior Department was capable of carrying out the needed reforms. The moratorium has created inconsistencies and confusion.
[B]Bypass permits[/B] While Interior Department officials have said certain new drilling procedures on existing wells can proceed, Mr. Salazar, when pressed to explain why new drilling was being allowed, testified on May 18 that “there is no deep-water well in the O.C.S. that has been spudded — that means started — after April 20,” referring to the gulf’s outer continental shelf.
However, Newfield Exploration Company has confirmed that it began drilling a deep-water well in 2,095 feet of water after April 20. Records indicate that Newfield was issued a permit on May 11 to initiate a sidetrack drill, with a required spud date of May 10. A sidetrack is a secondary wellbore drilled away from the original hole. Among the types of drilling permits that the minerals agency is still granting are called bypass permits. These allow an operator to drill around a mechanical problem in the original hole to the original target from the existing wellbore.
Five days before the explosion, the Deepwater Horizon requested and received a revised bypass permit, which was the last drilling permit the rig received from the minerals agency before the explosion. The bore was created and it was the faulty cementing or plugging of that hole that has been cited as one of the causes of the explosion. In reviewing the minerals agency, federal investigators are likely to pay close attention to how permits and waivers have been granted to drilling projects.
Even before the Deepwater Horizon disaster, the use of environmental waivers was a source of concern. In September 2009, the Government Accountability Office released a report concluding that the waivers were being illegally granted to onshore drilling projects.
This month, the Interior Department announced plans to restrict the use of the waivers onshore, though not offshore. It also began a joint investigation of the offshore waiver process with the Council on Environmental Quality, an environmental arm of the White House. The investigation, however, is likely to take months, and in the meantime the waivers are continuing to be issued. There is also a 60-day statute of limitations on contesting the waivers, which reduces the chances that they will be reversed if problems are found with the projects or the Obama administration’s review finds fault in the exemption process.
At least three lawsuits to strike down the waivers have been filed by environmental groups this month. The lawsuits argue that the waivers are overly broad and that they undermine the spirit of laws like the National Environmental Policy Act and the Endangered Species Act, which forbid drilling projects from moving forward unless they produce detailed environmental studies about minimizing potential risks. [I]This story, headlined "[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/24/us/24moratorium.html"]Despite moratorium, drilling projects move ahead[/URL]," first appeared in The New York Times.[/I]
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