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[quote=Katkich;764088]First I must say I’m a bit disappointed in the responses from some of you, some day you may realize that by showing such disrespect for someone actually points out how much you respect yourselves.

It makes me sad he died, I grew up with his music and because of him I went to a dance school and continued for 15 years, he was a true inspiration to me. I was sad for him after his plastic surgeries went too far, and he knew he fucked up his face but it was too late to go back. I read a psychological study he participated in awhile back and the conclusion in short was that he never managed to develop a sense of an adulthood which is logical for the reasons of being the most popular 8 year old in the world (and back then being a star/celebrity wasn’t so massive as today), having an abusive father and having the amount of money that a child couldn’t possibly have a common sense about, so the only place he felt safe about was the stage and the only people he felt safe to be with were other kids, and since he never knew how to be a grownup, his choice of a company was obvious but socially incorrect. The issue of safety is like the base line for your subconscious functioning in every circumstance, especially in early ages.

A true legend and great talent. :([/quote]

Thank you for saying what I have wanted to say. I have avoided commenting in this thread as some of the comments in here are utterly disgusting and I am disappointed in hearing certain people say things.

I understand that this is a very sensitive topic and that people have the right to their own opinions, but there is a time and place for everything. It is disgusting that this is happening in a thread mourning the passing of an incredibly talented musician who is one way or another impacted every person on here....and there is no way you can deny that.

If you can't come in here and acknowledge that or pay proper respects, then don't bother coming into this thread.

R.I.P Michael Jackson. Your musical talent will never be forgotten :(

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Wahhhhh wahhhhh wahhhhhh!

Wahhhhhh!

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[QUOTE=DancingQueen;764506]Thank you for saying what I have wanted to say. I have avoided commenting in this thread as some of the comments in here are utterly disgusting and I am disappointed in hearing certain people say things. :([/QUOTE]

I wonder if you found it disgusting and disappointing when he put some 10 year old peckers in his mouth :p

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^That.

[quote=miketpoto;764521]Wahhhhh wahhhhh wahhhhhh!

Wahhhhhh![/quote]

^and this.

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guys im not gonna flame any of you because this isnt about us but as karen and katkich said this is a loss of a legend and some of you have been downright disrespectful and horrid im surprised with a lot of you

end of the day anybody can lie in court or on paper, i do not condone paedophiles i think they are discusting and deserve what they get and i am not a father however i treat my girlfriends children as if they are my own and know that i would never allow myself to be paid off if i had even the slightest inkling that somebody had molested them, so why would those parents accept it?

opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one of them........ R.I.P Jacko xx

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^^ Is this the wrong time to mention the main benefactor of his will ?

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^^^ lol is that Tito

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[quote][B]Jackson children's heartbreak[/B]

Michael Jackson's manager has revealed the 'most painful moment' of his life was breaking the news of the star's death to his children. [IMG]http://sgstb.msn.com/i/D5/AC3D24A4445412B9778EFFEFD392C4.jpg[/IMG] Michael Jackson's manager has revealed the 'most painful moment' of his life was breaking the news of the star's death to his children.

Michael Jackson's manager has revealed the heartbreak of telling the star's children of his death. Frank DiLeo said speaking to sons Prince Michael, 12, and Prince Michael II, seven, and daughter Paris, 11, after the pop star's passing on Thursday (25.06.09) was the 'most painful moment' of his life. DiLeo spoke with the three children and Jackson's mother, Katherine, at the UCLA Medical Center in Los Angeles, where Jackson was pronounced dead after ingesting a lethal mix of prescription drugs. He said how he told them: 'I'm sorry children, your father has passed away.' He added that Paris screamed: ' 'No, no, Daddy. No, no!'' DiLeo added: 'It was the single most painful moment of my life. I cannot tell you how difficult it was. Those children just fell to pieces. The emotions poured forth.

'Michael's mother Katherine was with them. They were waiting there together for news. I think she feared the worst, but the children had no idea their whole world had ended. 'Whatever anyone thought of Michael, he was loved by those children, truly loved. There is expected to be a custody battle for the children, with Katherine, 79, the children's nanny, Grace Rwaramba and biological mother of the eldest two children, Debbie Rowe all likely to seek for custody. The children are presently in the care of Katherine.

Yesterday (27.06.09) Grace – who worked for Jackson for 17 years – broke her silence for the first time to tell of her life working for the pop star. She claimed she regularly had to pump the pop legend's stomach to prevent him from fatally overdosing and said he wasn't capable of looking after himself properly, let alone his children. Although she was fired by Jackson two months ago, Grace said this was a regular occurrence and that she had been begged many times to return to the children. She told interviewer Daphne Barak: 'These poor babies. I was getting phone calls that they were being neglected. Nobody was cleaning the rooms because Michael didn't pay the housekeeper. 'I was getting calls telling me Michael was in such a bad shape. He wasn't clean. He hadn't shaved. He wasn't eating well. I used to do all this for him and they were trying to get me to go back.'

She also said she hated masks the children were forced to wear to hide their faces in public, and purposefully tried to misplace them so they didn't have to wear them. Grace added: 'They didn't like them. It wasn't my idea. I hated it as well. So whenever I had a chance I misplaced the masks or 'forgot' to pack them. 'Michael always got angry. But what was most shocking to me is that the children don't even have a teacher. They can't play with other children and don't have a teacher to help them learn about the world.'

[URL]http://entertainment.sg.msn.com/Celebrity-Gossip/article.aspx?cp-documentid=3415573[/URL]

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i just heard his heart attack occurred when he found out "boyz to men" was a music group and not a delivery service

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[quote=Adzey;764626]guys im not gonna flame any of you because this isnt about us but as karen and katkich said this is a loss of a legend and some of you have been downright disrespectful and horrid im surprised with a lot of you

end of the day anybody can lie in court or on paper, i do not condone paedophiles i think they are discusting and deserve what they get and i am not a father however i treat my girlfriends children as if they are my own and know that i would never allow myself to be paid off if i had even the slightest inkling that somebody had molested them, so why would those parents accept it?

opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one of them........ R.I.P Jacko xx[/quote]

absolutely anyone can have an opinion and thats all good.:

but what would be the description of a man in your town who worked at the supermarket, or an office building who did the following things :

had a book of nude preteen boys in his bedroom, allowed and encouraged 12 year old boys to sleep in his bed gave alcohol to preteen boys in his bedroom, gave reasons not to tell their parents watched porn with the boys in his bedroom masturbated in front of them encouraged themselves to masturbate in front him lay on top of boys in his bed

and that these incidents were not one off, but repeated by different children under different circumstances, different time lines.

Even if the man that worked in the office or supermarket could sing and dance very well - it would not excuse any of those actions as anyything other than child abuse. EVEN IF that man at the supermarket had been physically and emotionally abused himself as himself as a child it doesn't excuse his child abuse.

Would you really let your girlfriends children stay with a man where you knew that history! (does she know that?)

The police found the child porn book in his bedroom and different staff confirmed that they saw MJ giving alcohol to the boys (and they confrotned him on it). Its a clear pattern of grooming behaviour.

He may have had a tragic life but he also engaged in child abuse.

Yes, its just an opinion.

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The editor of our local street music magazine did a really great editorial ! He totally paid homage to MJ while still acknowledging his life.

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now that his will apparently is being questioned, I can't wait to see the disgusting legal battle that will erupt between all of the former friends and family for a piece of that $200m or so (after debt)... pass the popcorn!

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anyone else remember renting the VHS Michael Jackson Moon Walker from Blockbuster when they were like 11 years old? Soon after that I remember him loosing his mind and never giving him another serious thought, but before all that bs, he was the man.:what

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[quote=floridaorange;764924]anyone else remember renting the vhs michael jackson moon walker from blockbuster when they were like 11 years old? Soon after that i remember him loosing his mind and never giving him another serious thought, but before all that bs, he was the man.:what[/quote]

+1

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Older than most of you here, i remember my sister coming home with "off the wall" and putting it on. Fuckin ell. Mind blowing - but, at a young age i don't think you appreciate how massive some things are and expect another similar thing to come along soon. It didn't though did it? One of the best albums of all time - end of...... For a good number of years i felt sorry for the bloke as i hate the media when it goes into sensationalist overdrive and i hate more, that most people take it on board as fact whatever they read or hear. the guy bust his nose and had to have an op on it suddenly becomes "Michael Jackson is trying to be white" wtf? On these grounds, i gave him the benefit of the doubt mostly but then the child abuse allegations come along and that cast a very dark shadow indeed - from which there was never going to be any turning back. To (falsely) accuse someone of a crime like that is almost as bad as the crime itself imo - a life destroyed either way. His staff at his home who supposedly saw the the things they saw were at least negligent, at worst complicit - was the pay really that good being the toilet cleaner at neverland that you'd stand by and silently witness children being sexually abused for fear of losing your job? and what of the parents? who'd let their children stay at someone's house unsupervised, just because the person who owned the house was very very famous? That beggars belief. So i guess i'm still sitting on the fence here, as a parent i can't help but feel he should have been battered and fed to pigs if those allegations are true but as a fan of music, he was the man of his time and quite possibly the greatest performing artist ever. RIP MJ and i have to agree with others who have posted commenting on the bad taste in this thread - however you want to look at it, it's not a joke.

[URL="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67556"]here's my tribute[/URL]

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I'm a sci fi freak so..

I remember going to disneyland as a kid and watching Captain Eo on 3d and havig a little boner the whole movie.

Michael would've been happy ;)

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[quote=Miroslav;764783]now that his will apparently is being questioned, I can't wait to see the disgusting legal battle that will erupt between all of the former friends and family for a piece of that $200m or so (after debt)... pass the popcorn![/quote] This always happens! :(

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[quote=Huggie Smiles;764693] Yes, its just an opinion.[/quote]

exactly and for all the "media reports" you have quoted there are also testaments from many people freeing him of all wrong doing, many kids stayed there and were not molested etc but im not going to drag them all up, they are all around the net if you want to look :D

and to answer your question no i wouldnt let my girlfriends kids stay with him, not because i think he was a child molester/abuser but becase i would only let them stay with people i have known or she has known for years

anyway no doubt you will come back with something so trot on

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[QUOTE=bobjuice;764944] Mind blowing - but, at a young age i don't think you appreciate how massive some things are and expect another similar thing to come along soon. [URL="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67556"]here's my tribute[/URL][/QUOTE]

You wanna know what, I disagreed with you on this outright because I used to idolize MJ in 5th grade, but actually after thinking about it, you are absolutely right...I just watched a [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8KBimRVJVg"]clip[/URL] from the movie I would rent just about every weekend as a kid, MJ was easily the greatest performer of our lifetime...however it is just weird to think he has only just now died, I think a lot of my generation felt like he died after the many allegations and court battles...My best friend who is in London right now had a ticket to that show, and I know MJ lived in England quiet a bit, America may just be far less forgiving then you guys, which is why he obv. felt so comfortable living there. As far as his noes jobs making him a wanna-be-white-guy, actually it was his skin and hair and face completing metamorphasing (sp) that made American's raise a brow, not an isolated nose job...

And also, his Dad does seem like a world-class piece of sht, which is important to keep in mind when judging MJ, not sure he had any chance of being even remotely normal since his childhood was so fcked up.

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[quote=floridaorange;765108] As far as his noes jobs making him a wanna-be-white-guy, actually it was his skin and hair and face completing metamorphasing (sp) that made American's raise a brow, not an isolated nose job, lol. [/quote]

I know ^ i was just makin the point that whatever he did was exploded into something else in the media, which snow-balled until his death (and after it seems). Media tributes are still gushing forth from the very same pages that did every thing they possibly could to ridicule the guy while he was alive. We had it here before with Princess Di, people who never even met the woman lined the streets crying uncontrollably and throwing flowers.. fuckin please!? The papers were full then of 38 page pull outs to commemorate the passing of "the queen of hearts" or "the people's princess" - what utter bollocks - these papers were the ones paying the people to chase her and get the pictures in the first place.. Many parallels between MJ and Diana but one massive difference was that MJ was talented.

[quote=floridaorange;765108] And also, his Dad does seem like a world-class piece of sht, which is important to keep in mind when judging MJ, not sure he had any chance of being even remotely normal since his childhood was so fcked up.[/quote]

^^ definitely true

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And it's still going on. The front page of yesterday's Daily Mirror showed a picture of Michael, declaring that it was taken on the morning he died, and asking in huge letters "So what went wrong?" It certainly is a mystery, how anyone that dies in the evening can have been alive in the morning. Presumably, inside it carried on, "Our investigations have revealed that he may have been living RIGHT UP TO THE MOMENT HE DIED. But still the authorities have provided no explanation."

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[quote=Adzey;765005]exactly and for all the "media reports" ...... anyway no doubt you will come back with something so trot on[/quote]

all those scenarios are from legal documents of sworn testimonies to police and to the grand jury - so its not media speculation, many individuals testified to his inappropriate behavior - of course you can argue that that were all lying....

go check out the mass of files on smoking gun and read it for yourself. not media spin, the actual documents.

we will agree to disagree! :)