Was listening to Digweed on the train to work, and getting lost in a segment of the music (25 mins of [B][COLOR=#9acd32]Kiss 100 - 2008-09-21 Part 2 - John Digweed live @ Koolhaus 2008-4-11[/COLOR][/B] [URL="http://www.archive1.mercuryserver.com/2008/download.php?file=Kiss_100_FM_%28Sep_21_2008%29_-_John_Digweed_Pt2.mp3"]http://www.archive1.mercuryserver.co...igweed_Pt2.mp3)[/URL]

And I'm used to listening to EDM in layers and following different sounds, so there're all these synths and beats going on and I'm thinking, wow mental.

Obviously who we are affects how we listen to music (eg I'm analytical), but does it work the other way? I was wondering if the type of music we listen to also affects the way we think, which again affects how we listen to the music?

Like I'm assuming people who listen to classical, or jazz, or rock, might appreciate all these instruments or sounds coming together, they appreciate structure or improvisation, but does the music in turn change the way the listeners think?

I wonder how pop/Top 40s listeners feel. :shock:

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I listen to all types of music and play guitar .. so i've always been more interested in instrumentals.

I spent ages listening to jazz and that really opened up my mind to what was going on musically within the group and I began to appreciate piano, drums and bass rather than the lead instruments. This has made me appreciate the components of EDM more.

Usually its a beautiful/clever/dark melody, chord/key change, or musical interaction or even a sound that catches my attention ... or it can be a driving build up.

The thing I also love about EDM is its unpredictable and new, you never know whats coming next or where you're taken - particularly when a great DJ is on top of his game ... and, even though it may just be playing records, that improvisational approach is similar to jazz in its own unique way.

Also jazz has standards which are constantly re-interpretted , EDM has classics which are remixed.

Check out the late and truly great Esbjorn Svensson Trio - a genuis (and thoroughly nice person) who died in 2008 leaving a chasm behind that in musical terms will never be filled. Its been a horrible year for losing people.

[YOUTUBE]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew0Hs7-hX6E[/YOUTUBE]

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^ jesus fucking christ. that's some of the most amazing music i've heard.

so much thanks for posting that!

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Yes, it changes the way I think.. I become psychoanalytical, I try to understand human emotion and my mind develops as the music develops..

Funny, I was thinking something along these lines on the way to work.. I was thinking how people pick and choose things in life based on their feelings and emotions, and how you cant fault that in a person..

I learn to appreciate the simple things in life, see things from another perspective. I dont just think of me piloting my car down a highway.. instead, i see myself turning the corner and coming down the road into the sun, like a movie....

i dont think people that listen to pop music analyze that way, they just hear "sound" and meaningless tones.. songs do not have any quality about them.. they are just musical noise.. a bunch of vowels strung together in harmony..

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[quote=88Mariner;683495]^ jesus fucking christ. that's some of the most amazing music i've heard.

so much thanks for posting that![/quote]

Glad you like it ... EST recorded 15 albums

[URL]http://www.est-fans.com/[/URL]

Another classic is this .. "From Gagarin's Point of View" - truly beautiful

[YOUTUBE]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=H3f1Uq2jcL8[/YOUTUBE]

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i agree, a very talented individual and not even in his 'prime'........

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This is very deep discussion. I like.

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Great music man really and truly...some of the best live performance I have heard...I always thought live performances were somewhat disappointing but this is seriously good...the build up, the jazzy improvisation sound of the piano...the bending of notes...really good and the drummer is excellent.

I listen to all "quality" music and I see it/hear it all differently from others that much I am sure...I regularly get goosebumps from songs and I feel like i am on ex...When I have my headphones on I tend to burst into dance in odd places i.e. the gym, the train..I really don't care I just close my eyes and I am gone...its really the way I see music all the time...I close my eyes and I am alone on a field and the sound just sweeps over me....some people like the togetherness of EDM...I like the aloneness. I like to stand somewhere in the back at parties and just dance on my own with my eyes closed and enjoy the music. This is why I have managed to go out on my own and have a great time without actually talking to anyone all night.

As for music changing the way I think about things yeah maybe...I could say it puts things into perspective in a way...some music makes me feel like i am in heaven really and that i could actually live with that song, it becoming the soundtrack of my life.

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Wow that Swedish trio is good stuff. Reminds me of Tortoise except Tortoise is more percussive.

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I'll have to wait for youtube to get back up before I can watch those videos.

But. I was into Metal and Jazz and Experimental way before I even knew about House music. These are three types of sound where there is lots of layers. Even in metal. Most people never really recognize just how technical Metal is. and especially things like Death Metal and how fast and technical that is.

Then I think about Jazz and I think about the John McLaughlin and Al Di Meola recordings of their ever so freaking technical bands. Then listening to Allan Holdsworth and his group where it took me forever to find out what the hell was going on with that. Now I listen to a lot of Jazz piano trios and things of that too. The Ginger Baker Trio "Going back home" CD is AWESOME for anyone interested...Bill Frisell on guitars. That guy is amazing.

And then the experimental side being John Cage, Derek Bailey, Henry Kaiser, Stockhausen, Riley, Reich, Glass and especially Dan Stearns...who I highly recommend checking out... [url]http://www.zebox.com/daniel_anthony_stearns/[/url] where you can hear some of this geniuses music. Listening to this guy is like putting on three records at one time and trying to listen to them together. Insanity, but beautiful stuff.

I feel as if all my time listening to these types of sound have given me an idea of things i like in house music. I can dig really minimal stuff "Hawtin" but at the same time I can't listen to Villalobos as I feel his music has no energy to it...like Hawtins does. I can dig techy stuff like Jim Rivers, but unfortunately in these two types of house, there is way more crap than good stuff. I've gotten so into my own tastes as of lately that it's really hard to listen to mix cd's, as my musical wants change so radically nowadays.

I personally blame all this digital music for my musical inability to just sit and enjoy a cd. I get so much stuff and can't spend hours listening everyday like I could when I was 17. I get into my car with my 80 gig Ipod that is all but 4 gig's full and can't figure out what to try to listen to for that particular trip. ARGHHHH! I miss the days when I could only carry 6-7 CD's at a time.

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^ Wow Derek Bailey, Henry Kaiser, Stockhausen, never thought I'd see those names thrown around here, some pretty dynamic jazz from that vid, new convert with EST, sounds like someone, melted Roni Size, LTJ Bukem, and Ninja Tune all together, great stuff.

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Oh i love talking about Derek Bailey and Kaiser. Two amazing guitarists who deserve 100X the attention they have received.

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[quote=simonr;683503]Glad you like it ... EST recorded 15 albums

[URL]http://www.est-fans.com/[/URL]

Another classic is this .. "From Gagarin's Point of View" - truly beautiful

[/quote]

I'm beginning my listening to the EST with this album. THANKS!

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[quote=jeffrey collins;683568]Oh i love talking about Derek Bailey and Kaiser. Two amazing guitarists who deserve 100X the attention they have received.[/quote]

You also mentioned Allan Holdsworth, his stuff is out there too, give Sonny Sharrock a listen, he was a big influence on Vernon Reid, saw Holdsworth with Frank Gimbale back in the early nineties, there guitar stuff just melts your brain. Last Exit is something worth checking out, a project, Bailey, John Zorn, and Bill Laswell were all in, just recently saw Bill Frisell with Medeski, Martin, and Wood, now that is some fried jazz.

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It often happens that friends of mine ask me if I made a pact with the devil to still look young... And my reply is always the same: IT'S ALL IN THE MIND, AND THE BODY FOLLOWS.

And as far as I am concerned, a major stimulus for my mind is EDM, and more specifically the progressive house music, but that is just me...:D

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[quote=simonr;683491]I listen to all types of music and play guitar .. so i've always been more interested in instrumentals.

I spent ages listening to jazz and that really opened up my mind to what was going on musically within the group and I began to appreciate piano, drums and bass rather than the lead instruments. This has made me appreciate the components of EDM more.

Usually its a beautiful/clever/dark melody, chord/key change, or musical interaction or even a sound that catches my attention ... or it can be a driving build up.

The thing I also love about EDM is its unpredictable and new, you never know whats coming next or where you're taken - particularly when a great DJ is on top of his game ... and, even though it may just be playing records, that improvisational approach is similar to jazz in its own unique way.

Also jazz has standards which are constantly re-interpretted , EDM has classics which are remixed.

Check out the late and truly great Esbjorn Svensson Trio - a genuis (and thoroughly nice person) who died in 2008 leaving a chasm behind that in musical terms will never be filled. Its been a horrible year for losing people.

[youtube]Ew0Hs7-hX6E[/youtube][/quote]

This is absolutely stunning. Which album is this track from Simon?

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I didnt like jazz till i took some appreciation of jazz classes at college and read about it........then i attended some live concerts and really loved it!!!

I love herbie hancock

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTnKvJh-NZQ[/youtube]

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simonr, thanks for the post, its been a couple of months since I last was in the mood for jazz.

I think any kind of music is able to change the way you think, Stravinsky opened my mind with his 20 minutes long compositions, Firebird or the Rite of Spring. Miles Davis literally drove me a couple of steps closer to madness with his Bitches Brew album. I think I I'm only able to appreciatte EDM because I was raised listening to all kinds of music and I believe EDM to be a recollection of it all.

I love house music, It makes me feel alive.

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[quote=jeffrey collins;683530]I'll have to wait for youtube to get back up before I can watch those videos.

I personally blame all this digital music for my musical inability to just sit and enjoy a cd. I get so much stuff and can't spend hours listening everyday like I could when I was 17. I get into my car with my 80 gig Ipod that is all but 4 gig's full and can't figure out what to try to listen to for that particular trip. ARGHHHH! I miss the days when I could only carry 6-7 CD's at a time.[/quote]

gosh. i cant practically tell you how much i agree with that. I used to have 3 x 200cd binders in my car all the time..

now I have a 20gb, 2gb, 8gb ipod/nano's and i just scroll aimlessly finally landing on a mix ive heard 10 times before..

the endless scrollwheel........

:(

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[quote=TheMightyGreg;683663]This is absolutely stunning. Which album is this track from Simon?[/quote]

The album is "A Strange Place For Snow" ... it was their landmark album Greg. An essential for any music fan.

EST caught my attention with "From Gagarin's Point of View" which floored me and is also recommended for a 1st taste - I caught them every tour since: in a live environment they took things to another level, and their live album "Live In Hamburg" from 2007 catches the magic.

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[quote=minimal;683688]simonr, thanks for the post, its been a couple of months since I last was in the mood for jazz.

I think any kind of music is able to change the way you think, Stravinsky opened my mind with his 20 minutes long compositions, Firebird or the Rite of Spring. Miles Davis literally drove me a couple of steps closer to madness with his Bitches Brew album. I think I I'm only able to appreciatte EDM because I was raised listening to all kinds of music and I believe EDM to be a recollection of it all.

I love house music, It makes me feel alive.[/quote]

Got all the Miles box sets - among my favourites is the "In a silent way" 3-disc set: I love putting it on at Christmas time it just seems to fit in with the lights down, the lights on the tree and snow outside. Plus your loved one or a nice glass of vino complements it too !

[IMG]http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/10394.jpg[/IMG]

Miles told John Mclaughlin to play the chords slowly like he was learning them for the 1st time - the simplicity, with the lush keyboards from Joe Zawinul/Herbie Hancock/Chick Corea and Wayne Shortser's haunting Soprano Sax makes this one of the classic jazz crossover albums. The editing process was ground-breaking at the time, and Miles is in fine form too.

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[quote=AntonyM;683644]You also mentioned Allan Holdsworth, his stuff is out there too, give Sonny Sharrock a listen, he was a big influence on Vernon Reid, saw Holdsworth with Frank Gimbale back in the early nineties, there guitar stuff just melts your brain. Last Exit is something worth checking out, a project, Bailey, John Zorn, and Bill Laswell were all in, just recently saw Bill Frisell with Medeski, Martin, and Wood, now that is some fried jazz.[/quote]

Oh hell bro, you can't mention an experimental guitarist I haven't heard of. I used to actively search that stuff out. And Last Exit was a fucking awesome band that produced some seriously sick stuff Peter Brotzmann is an awesome sax man. Have you ever heard the album Frisell did with Vernon Reid in the last 80's...one of the only experimental albums I can't listen to. It just sounds boring to me.

I absolutely love Holdsworth, to me his playing and music is very spiritual. Especially the music from Wardenclyffe Tower. That album sends me into orbit.

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[quote=simonr;683809]Got all the Miles box sets - among my favourites is the "In a silent way" 3-disc set: I love putting it on at Christmas time it just seems to fit in with the lights down, the lights on the tree and snow outside. Plus your loved one or a nice glass of vino complements it too !

[IMG]http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/10394.jpg[/IMG]

Miles told John Mclaughlin to play the chords slowly like he was learning them for the 1st time - the simplicity, with the lush keyboards from Joe Zawinul/Herbie Hancock/Chick Corea and Wayne Shortser's haunting Soprano Sax makes this one of the classic jazz crossover albums. The editing process was ground-breaking at the time, and Miles is in fine form too.[/quote]

Like it has been said many times. Miles re-invented Jazz a number of times in his life.8)

Have you ever read his autobiography? AWESOME read, if you are into Jazz you would love it. It's like sitting at Miles' home and hearing him talk about all the shit he's done over the years.

[url]http://www.amazon.com/Miles-Davis/dp/0671725823[/url]

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pulled out some Jaco stuff today. And one of my old favourites from jazz ensemble, "Donna Lee" which was nearly impossible to play on trombone....

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I don't want to bring religion into this topic...However, I have noticed that myself and others who tend to be agnostic/atheist tend to listen to electronic more so than my friends who are not. I could go further into this, but I will leave it at that.

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[quote=srbbnd;683923]I don't want to bring religion into this topic...However, I have noticed that myself and others who tend to be agnostic/atheist tend to listen to electronic more so than my friends who are not. I could go further into this, but I will leave it at that.[/quote]

go further. this brings up a number of questions I've come up with over several years.

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[quote=jeffrey collins;683917]Like it has been said many times. Miles re-invented Jazz a number of times in his life.8)

Have you ever read his autobiography? AWESOME read, if you are into Jazz you would love it. It's like sitting at Miles' home and hearing him talk about all the shit he's done over the years.

[URL]http://www.amazon.com/Miles-Davis/dp/0671725823[/URL][/quote]

Read his bio 3 x times ... love reading his interpretation on things. I'm a massive Coltrane fan - the two of them couldn't have been so different, yet they complimented each other so well. The Shorter/Hancock/Williams Q-tet then took it to a whole new level - as Miles said, it was one Mutha of a group.

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[quote=simonr;683804]The album is "A Strange Place For Snow" ... it was their landmark album Greg. An essential for any music fan.

EST caught my attention with "From Gagarin's Point of View" which floored me and is also recommended for a 1st taste - I caught them every tour since: in a live environment they took things to another level, and their live album "Live In Hamburg" from 2007 catches the magic.[/quote]

Nice one mate - just Amazoned this up. Good holiday listening :)

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[quote=jeffrey collins;683916]Oh hell bro, you can't mention an experimental guitarist I haven't heard of. I used to actively search that stuff out. And Last Exit was a fucking awesome band that produced some seriously sick stuff Peter Brotzmann is an awesome sax man. Have you ever heard the album Frisell did with Vernon Reid in the last 80's...one of the only experimental albums I can't listen to. It just sounds boring to me.

I absolutely love Holdsworth, to me his playing and music is very spiritual. Especially the music from Wardenclyffe Tower. That album sends me into orbit.[/quote]

Seen Holdsworth live few times, but always preferred Scott Henderson - the first 3 x Tribal Tech albums, his playing had more breathing space but the same technique.

Frisell is awesome - I caught his trio years ago (having seen him with Naked City) and you hanged on his every note : he's a truly unique guitarist. Some of the David Torn stuffs pretty good.

I'm a big Mike Stern fan too (esp. his early Atlantic records) - seen him a couple of times at the 55-Bar in NYC.

For older stuff Joe Pass is probably the most under-rated of them all - his complete Pacific Jazz box set is sublime [URL]http://www.mosaicrecords.com/prodinfo.asp?number=207-MD-CD[/URL]

[IMG]http://www.mosaicrecords.com/images/sessions/207.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=88Mariner;683925]go further. this brings up a number of questions I've come up with over several years.[/quote]

I would rather not...

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I used to have the two "painting with guitar videos" from David Torn. That guy is wild, and hes supposed to be deaf in one ear too.

I've actually put a few Scott Henderson videos on youtube.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0B48LgjMSw[/YOUTUBE]

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3RqZDitY5Y[/YOUTUBE]

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i thought those of you into Brotzmann might find this of interest.

[url]http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/1714706/24091314/[/url]

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Thanks for the vids Jeffrey ... some nice solos from Mr H.

Check out - Spears from 2003 dadicated to Stevie Ray

[YOUTUBE]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=f_VZN4Iouw0&feature=related[/YOUTUBE]

Cracking vids if Bill Frisell:

That was Then

[YOUTUBE]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4VkNvfdKt54[/YOUTUBE]

Shenandoah

[YOUTUBE]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Svzv-YkUzdk[/YOUTUBE]

Plus a vid of Bill with Sting (sporting a silly 'tache) and Fareed Haque on acoustic - Aint no Sunshine.

[YOUTUBE]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zNB4rvHPjPg[/YOUTUBE]

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[quote=srbbnd;683923]I don't want to bring religion into this topic...However, I have noticed that myself and others who tend to be agnostic/atheist tend to listen to electronic more so than my friends who are not. I could go further into this, but I will leave it at that.[/quote]

since you won't, i will.

this was actually a conversation i had with my christian girlfriend last week. we were talking about religion, music and what emotion has to do with both... i had told her that i went to church all my life and never really absorbed the "message" that was preached by the pastor but could see how emotional people could get listening to him and the music played in church (i grew up pentecostal, now am an atheist). i told her that music was used as a tool to get people to feel a certain something, maybe spiritual about thier religion/god. she told me that because house music is pure emotion and is that emotional outlet for me, that in a sense, has filled the void or taken the place of god for me. i couldnt disagree with her...

there is this something that i will always remember, standing in the middle of a good 10,000 people going nuts to sasha and digweed for new years in downtown la...seeing the light stage, comparing it to a church pulpit and thinking s&d were my preachers, the crowd was the congergation praising the music and the music was god itself manifested through sound(holy spirit). honestly for me it was more of a spiritual experince than i have ever had in a church...

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[quote=jay813;684528]since you won't, i will.

this was actually a conversation i had with my christian girlfriend last week. we were talking about religion, music and what emotion has to do with both... i had told her that i went to church all my life and never really absorbed the "message" that was preached by the pastor but could see how emotional people could get listening to him and the music played in church (i grew up pentecostal, now am an atheist). i told her that music was used as a tool to get people to feel a certain something, maybe spiritual about thier religion/god. she told me that because house music is pure emotion and is that emotional outlet for me, that in a sense, has filled the void or taken the place of god for me. i couldnt disagree with her...

there is this something that i will always remember, standing in the middle of a good 10,000 people going nuts to sasha and digweed for new years in downtown la...seeing the light stage, comparing it to a church pulpit and thinking s&d were my preachers, the crowd was the congergation praising the music and the music was god itself manifested through sound(holy spirit). honestly for me it was more of a spiritual experince than i have ever had in a church...[/quote]

THIS!

but an analogy like this is not complete without noting that actually going to church is a lot like going to a tiesto concert.

and how is it your christian gf is knowingly dating an atheist? Is she waiting for you to convert back?

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If you want to learn more about how music can really be more a part of your life and learn how music relates to life and everything else there is in the world. I recommend checking out the Victor Wooten book "The Music Lesson" by the time you get to the 8th lesson you really get into learning the real depths of music and life.

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bump for Jeff..

I'm gonna pick up that book. I think you're on to something...

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Oh Chris, that book will enlighten you soo much bro. You pretty much have to read it twice because soo much of it is sooo different from anything we have been taught in the past.

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I just think that we all do way to many drugs... ;) jk obv

What a fascinating thread. The book Jeff mentioned is going to be ordered for sure and the vids that Simon posted were fucking amazing as well (Mummy I have found something else I want for xmas, lol).

Bit of a ramble really but something I love so much about edm and particuarly deep dark stuff is slipping off into the zone and listening to the way a tune builds up from the most simple beat to the peak of the tune and back down again, layer by layer. It definitly changes the way I think when im in that state (and I dont even mean an intoxicated state, just a sick tune does it to me) and I genuinly think it can be compared to meditation in lots of ways. All meditation is focusing your mind on one thing which allows the rest of your mind to rest/reorganise/open or whatever and this is most certianly what happens to me. Sometimes I even subconciously start making analogies in my mind about the universe and life being comparable to the different layers and sounds in a track coming and going, ebbing and flowing and coming together at just the right times in order to create something perfect like nature (or a ridiculously good tune, lol)

Wow, that could potentially sound like complete bullshit but I really dont care. If anyone will get what im banging on about it will be you lot :)

One other thing, whoever said that they dont think that people who listen to shitty pop dont get similar feeling to what we all get is wrong imo. Im sure most of them dont coz they are just like casual listeners or whatever, just like a large portion of clubbers. But I have no doubt that some of them listen to their favourite artist or tune and it really does something to them deep down the way edm does to us....

/ramble

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[quote=AndyH;687567] Bit of a ramble really but something I love so much about edm and particuarly deep dark stuff is slipping off into the zone and listening to the way a tune builds up from the most simple beat to the peak of the tune and back down again, layer by layer. It definitly changes the way I think when im in that state (and I dont even mean an intoxicated state, just a sick tune does it to me) and I genuinly think it can be compared to meditation in lots of ways. All meditation is focusing your mind on one thing which allows the rest of your mind to rest/reorganise/open or whatever and this is most certianly what happens to me.[/quote]

Yeah that's what I like about EDM, when you find the right kinda music (though I think this would apply to many genres), it's so cerebral and emotional and mind expanding at the same time. It's like multi-tasking on the dancefloor, your body is following a groove, your mind is following some sounds, your subconscious is just doing whatever it does.

The only time I've actually related EDM to life, the universe and everything is when I'm tripping balls or coming down. Last year coming down from shrooms and it was raining, I saw the water dripping and falling and the way a drop would fall as a drop or elongate, began to look like beats and transitions to me :shock::shock::what:p8)

But such episodes aside, I really do think EDM has changed the way I think somewhat, maybe just the way I appreciate certain things, perhaps sifting them into layers, breaking them into components while holding a big picture in my head. Who knows.