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[quote=Shiva;640757]^ i agree with some of the things you say, not everything:

The calendar idea is in its nature a marketing tool that might serve ms and probably whoever is in it. Of course we are not thinking fo making a calendar just for the sake of it, but instead a marketing strategy that would differentiate ms from other forums, give it a plus. Of course ms can survive without this calendar, not need to be sarcastic about it. But sometimes you get the be the leader in something by introducing new ideas, new things, be the first: and that is one of the reasons why there are leaders & there followers in this world. I might be at the center of all that simply coz I might represent a "PACKAGE" (of quality) that happens to be rare to find, AND IT SELLS (if you consider shiva as a "product", you can meke sure that it SELLS. My main interest is not to be the center of all that (thank God I have experienced this priviledge many times already), but instead to market ms, mcast and all thats in it by possibly involving whoever would like to be involved: I see it as a "group" thing and not "individual" thing.

I am perfectly aware that I am in a predominantly male forum BUT the "puppy" thing you refer to bothers me a bit coz its not true:

First, MS members who appreciate me, like my looks and even comment or make jokes about it are NOT PUPPIES, they are ms members who feel like having some good time on ms.

Second, I assure you that MOST of them CLEARLY appreciate me MORE FOR MY MUSIC rather then for my looks, and I AM SO SURE of myself when I state this coz it is based on FACT: [B]NUMBERS[/B]! (Some numbers, which are hidden and stay hidden, do the talking for me...;) )

Third and last, if you consider this thread as "bullshit", then what are you doing posting in this forum?! 99% of ALL THREADS IN ALL FORUMS ARE BULLSHIT, so again it is a question of having good time.[/quote]

It seems that you missed the point of everything I tried to say. I never said that people don't like your music, and I have no doubt that your package sells very well. I'm also well aware of the marketing perspective to this. I was just pointing out exactly what is going to be sold here, and I still think that's the truth.

And one more thing about the bullshit part: I don't see why I should essentially have my membership to this forum questioned, simply because I thought there was a lot of bs in this particular thread and respectfully stated a different opinion. To me, such an essence of dialogue is central to a forum. I've been hanging around here for a while now, and I wouldn't have continued to do so if I considered this place to be 99% bullshit.

There. I had something to say, I said it, and now I'm done here. It's not my intention to pick any fights. As I said before, I won't stand in the way.

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[quote=Miroslav;640746]Shiva, I understand that you're not trying to advocate posing in some super-erotic manner for such a calendar. And you're a good dj, I don't take anything away from you in that regard. And heck, I'm not even that opposed to the calendar idea - if enough people want to go for it, then I'm not going to cause problems...it's not like the fate of [ms] hangs in the balance.

But let's be clear on things. The only way this calendar thing would be feasible, especially if you throw money into the picture, is for you to be the primary focus of it. Trust me, no one gives two shits about seeing the other MCast DJs in a calendar. You have made it known before that you want to be respected as a musician and a DJ strictly for your abilities, and not for being a sexy, young woman. But if the calendar was focused on you, then wouldn't it basically just be a proposal to use your sex appeal to sell more people on checking out your music and [ms]? Come on, you weren't born yesterday; you must have your fair share of experience with the workings of a young male mind when it comes to your looks. I have to think it's obvious to you that a major reason why many people on this predominantly male forum are fawning all over you like puppy dogs is not just because you're a good dj, but because it's well documented that you're an attractive young woman. And the true reason guys would buy this calendar is to get as good of a gander as possible at your looks and your body, regardless of what you wear. That's the really the only reason this thread even [I]exists[/I].

Now, I'm not saying that it's wrong for a woman to be sexy, or that it's bad for you to be a model. I'm not here to moralize and you're obviously plenty mature enough to make your own decisions; it's your body. And maybe [ms] decides that such a calendar is the way to go. Fine, I won't stand in the way. But I just think that it would be constructive to stop these endless pages of bullshit and call this for what it would be: using your sex appeal to promote your DJing and [ms]. Are you ok with that? Because I'm pretty sure that is how most people would perceive it.[/quote]

Nuff said

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funny thing is, this calendar thing wasnt even Lory's idea, yet she seems to be taking all the heat from it...

lets just turn the page and drop the tension level in this forum down a few notches ;)

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You find that funny? Sick bastard. ;)

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[QUOTE=DancingQueen;640806]I am sure I can speak for chanty, Didi, and some of the other girls on here, that because we are of the same gender, has nothing to do with why we don't think this is a good idea. We are aware that you are a model, and a very attractive one at that, and there is nothing wrong with that....hey, if you got it, flaunt it :)

We were more opposed, at least for myself, because a calendar of just "Shiva" doesn't represent the whole community. There are a number of very talented DJ's on this board, that would deserve just as much recognition.[/QUOTE]

The one point here is though that this calendar is not an 'appreciation' or ' recognition' token, but a marketing instrument. Although I myself would just as easily dish out money to have a calendar with really good DJ-pics on it, just for the feel of it (which is very recognizeable), if it is used to put [ms] on the map we need to come up with something universally appealing. And as anyone in the marketing business knows (yes, very blunt): sex sell. It can be classy, vulgar, subtle, teasing or whatever. Doesn't matter.

Miroslav is right when he states that is it actually about sex or sexyness, and Shiva as also admitted to that as far as I can see. However, the unique addition here is the link with DJ-ing and progressive house. I've used the word ambassador before in this thread, and still think it is the appropriate term to use in this regard. [ms] is proghouse, [ms] is also sexy (in a way). think a little more concept, and a little less 101 meaning ;-).

And heck, this might be a calendar or maybe a series of high-quality prints, different photo's of either Shiva or different DJ's reworked by the different graphix hustlers this board counts. Each one printed in a limited batch, the original artworks adds to the unicity and the value. Just another idea. Only done by and available thru [ms] of course.

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thread name change to [MS] calendar needed :)

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Well when this thread was opened, it was not done in a serious spirit, rather a joke. And when I first read it I thought it was a positive idea for [ms].

On some other forums there are online calendars posted on the the main page where the djs post there gigs scedules , or even users post major events schedules....the same could be done here as well.

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I apologize for starting this mess.

It was indirect way of telling Shiva, that she's gorgeous and beautiful and I have dreams about her every night (even though she's married).

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In that case...I want a KinkyJ calander...damn I miss him :(

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I'm very happy that Shiva is here to represent the girls. It's awesome to have someone with such good taste in music and knows her shit on this board. She's also a very strong and opinionated woman which I admire. I've listened to her mixes and love them and danced around my kitchen many times to them. I also work in the fashion, film and print advertising industry on a mostly daily basis, dealing with models and actors who need their sensitive egos stroked to different degrees to get them feeling good about themselves and get a great day out of them. Tbh...I come here to get away from that world and come back to a more (mostly) sane reality...music and the people that love it as much as I do. And like I've said I'm happy to have Shiva represent Mcast and Mercuryserver as a dj and music lover but not for her modelling or looks, in which the scale seems to be tipping towards the latter lately. Just my feeling and opinion. Peace out, Party on and be happy!!

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[quote=TheMightyGreg;640865]In that case...I want a KinkyJ calander...damn I miss him :([/quote]

I miss Kinky too! :( There's a WTF happened to him example!

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is this a good time to bring up MS T-shirts :) :)

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is this thread still going on ?

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[quote=Huggie Smiles;640985]is this a good time to bring up MS T-shirts :) :)[/quote]

You will rather get a calendar with me and Kamal in provocative poses.

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yea tom doesnt know he was photographed with an infrared camera in his undies when he jumped during his nightmare, that calendar is gonna cost ya $15 + shipping. DVD is $24 + Shipping

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There will be more desire for it than for the Pirelli calendar!

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^ I was sooo far away from this thread, busy releasing set(s).....lol

[quote=scifi pi;640854]I apologize for starting this mess.

It was indirect way of telling Shiva, that she's gorgeous and beautiful and I have dreams about her every night (even though she's married).[/quote]

^ Thank you scifi pi, don't worry no offense taken; I understand and share some of the jokes...CheerZ! :D

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[quote=Huggie Smiles;640985]is this a good time to bring up MS T-shirts :) :)[/quote] you mean the one that i won in the ms birthday trivial contest?

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yea but UPS refused to deliver it to Bordeaux based English Teachers

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two years ago i lived in america and UPS has a store here anyway

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[quote=raver_mania;640714]I was not going to get into this thread but just want to note a couple of things.

1. If you look at what Shiva wears when she dj's you can see its hardly what you would call "Portia BareBoobs" (or whatever she's called) material. Shiva's almost always dressed in very conservative attire...a long sleeve sweatshirt (usually Sudam) and long pants...now red1 would you call that using her sex appeal to attract a crowd?? Hardly so. And hell, you'll have to forgive her for wearing something a little more comfortable when she's spinning during the day on the beach...it must only be 293930 degrees out there!

2. What do you mean people with "looks" are pushing out people with "talent"?!?! You must be KIDDING if you really think looks would supersede a DJ's skill??? I mean half the time you can barely see into the DJ booth so what do looks matter? Even if a DJ is good looking, if they suck, they will go down. I'll just give you a small example...my ex-gf initially really got into Sasha because he was good-looking...and she liked his music. But then when he started to suck (and that happened shortly after she got into the scene), she quickly lost interest in him - guess why, not because he got any less attractive, but because his music started to suck. So IMO saying a DJ is successful soley based on looks is completely off the mark.

OK, guess I had too much wine with my dinner!! :mrgreen:[/quote]

erm, i,ll get back to u on that one, infact fuck it, erm erm :lol:

erm

erm

cant say it without being offensive so i wont say it

:lol:

infact fuck it i,ll show u

[IMG]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/picture.php?pictureid=323&albumid=16&dl=1215596788&thumb=1[/IMG][IMG]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/picture.php?pictureid=324&albumid=16&dl=1215596810&thumb=1[/IMG][IMG]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/picture.php?pictureid=325&albumid=16&dl=1215597162&thumb=1[/IMG]

^ those are examples of style imo, the photo's are shot with erm style in mind, they appeal to loads of people for obvious reasons, kind of a port folio or what ever, i dont know shit about it so i,m just spouting my own opinion.

[IMG]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/picture.php?pictureid=114&albumid=16&dl=1213640483&thumb=1[/IMG][IMG]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/picture.php?pictureid=111&albumid=16&dl=1213618833&thumb=1[/IMG][IMG]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/picture.php?pictureid=161&albumid=16&dl=1214351542&thumb=1[/IMG]

^ sorry lori, but imo those are just plain perverted, the first 2 sudjest to male mind ( wheather they be a REAL MAN or a kid as u put it thats there is someting deeper going to happen ) there is so much sex ouzing out of those that a male mind would go into overdrive, i think the comment on the last picture said it all " the mistress has a flat " hmmmm .....imo thats prime example of using sex to sell yourself...hay maybe its just the way i think but @least i,m honest and i,m guessing that 99% of the male population of this board thought the same but dont have the guts to admit it. ts not exactly getting them out behind the decks but a picture speaks a thousand words

:what

( cue abuse ) :lol:

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new realization... Red1 is an idiot, chode, moron. You name it, he's it.

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lol wtfs a chode ?

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[QUOTE=red1;641133]erm, i,ll get back to u on that one, infact fuck it, erm erm :lol:

erm

erm

cant say it without being offensive so i wont say it

:lol:

infact fuck it i,ll show u

[IMG]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/picture.php?pictureid=323&albumid=16&dl=1215596788&thumb=1[/IMG][IMG]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/picture.php?pictureid=324&albumid=16&dl=1215596810&thumb=1[/IMG][IMG]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/picture.php?pictureid=325&albumid=16&dl=1215597162&thumb=1[/IMG]

^ those are examples of style imo, the photo's are shot with erm style in mind, they appeal to loads of people for obvious reasons, kind of a port folio or what ever, i dont know shit about it so i,m just spouting my own opinion.

[IMG]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/picture.php?pictureid=114&albumid=16&dl=1213640483&thumb=1[/IMG][IMG]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/picture.php?pictureid=111&albumid=16&dl=1213618833&thumb=1[/IMG][IMG]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/picture.php?pictureid=161&albumid=16&dl=1214351542&thumb=1[/IMG]

^ sorry lori, but imo those are just plain perverted, the first 2 sudjest to male mind ( wheather they be a REAL MAN or a kid as u put it thats there is someting deeper going to happen ) there is so much sex ouzing out of those that a male mind would go into overdrive, i think the comment on the last picture said it all " the mistress has a flat " hmmmm .....imo thats prime example of using sex to sell yourself...hay maybe its just the way i think but @least i,m honest and i,m guessing that 99% of the male population of this board thought the same but dont have the guts to admit it. ts not exactly getting them out behind the decks but a picture speaks a thousand words

:what

( cue abuse ) :lol:[/QUOTE] Not abuse, REASON!! There are some really beautiful photos there. There is not one that is even remotely offensive.

The point is Red, Shiva is modeling in those photos. She is selling her modeling talent, not her J Djing talent. and certainly not herself! . What she has tried endlessly to get through to you in particular, is that she has two careers. Her music career is treated totally differently! Those photos are NOT to promote that. And before you jump on why they are on a music forum. I see this forum like going to a friend's house and chatting about anything and everything not just the house. :D And flicking through the photo album is sometimes part of that, Shiva just has prettier photos :lol: I think we are lucky when members share parts of their lives. :D But I don't think it gives us the right to judge them. [unless they are stealing music :)]

Jeez I wish I had the problem of having to defend myself because I was too beautiful :lol:

Btw I'm with Chanty. Strong opinionated women FTW!!

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[quote=red1;641166]lol wtfs a chode ?[/quote]

The noun, "chode" is a dick that has more circumference than length, while the adjective, "chode" is used to describe someone who is in idiot.

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wow, red , for a while I almost had your back as someone who just thinks too much and may be a bit on the paranoid side and just on here having a lugh.. but you are really showing your ass in this thread and are coming across as a complete tool who desperately needs a shag and cant get the time of day from a woman so is lashing out needlessly

and you actually said it in your last post, and may I quote.. "I dont know shit.."

so, please, fuck off

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[quote=Steve Graham;641207]wow, red , for a while I almost had your back as someone who just thinks too much and may be a bit on the paranoid side and just on here having a lugh.. but you are really showing your ass in this thread and are coming across as a complete tool who desperately needs a shag and cant get the time of day from a woman so is lashing out needlessly

and you actually said it in your last post, and may I quote.. "I dont know shit.."

so, please, fuck off[/quote]

:RockOn:

they asked for opinion, i gave it

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[quote=DIDI;641199]Not abuse, REASON!! There are some really beautiful photos there. There is not one that is even remotely offensive.

The point is Red, Shiva is modeling in those photos. She is selling her modeling talent, not her J Djing talent. and certainly not herself! . What she has tried endlessly to get through to you in particular, is that she has two careers. Her music career is treated totally differently! Those photos are NOT to promote that. And before you jump on why they are on a music forum. I see this forum like going to a friend's house and chatting about anything and everything not just the house. :D And flicking through the photo album is sometimes part of that, Shiva just has prettier photos :lol: I think we are lucky when members share parts of their lives. :D But I don't think it gives us the right to judge them. [unless they are stealing music :)]

Jeez I wish I had the problem of having to defend myself because I was too beautiful :lol:

Btw I'm with Chanty. Strong opinionated women FTW!![/quote]

the if u care to read what i said in a previous reply i did state that she was lucky and beautifull but recently this place has has become like mercuryshiva which is fair enough as she obviously has a desire to succeed in life.

for me this forum has a good vibe because people come here to chat and relax about things that matter to the people who come here and visit.

without gettng into an argument

[U]this is a music board[/U]

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hey maybe i,m wrong but like i said, u asked for my opinion, i gave it

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u guys are missing the whoe point here...........

if there was no "sexual" desire then why the fuck did some cunt ask for a shiva calender ?

open ur eyes motherfuckers

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[QUOTE=red1;641212]without gettng into an argument

this is a music board[/QUOTE] I did cover that in my post but obviously you didn't read it:(

May I just say you definitely don't feel you are restricted to music only conversations.

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[QUOTE=red1;641133]erm, i,ll get back to u on that one, infact fuck it, erm erm :lol:

erm

erm

cant say it without being offensive so i wont say it

:lol:

infact fuck it i,ll show u

[IMG]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/picture.php?pictureid=323&albumid=16&dl=1215596788&thumb=1[/IMG][IMG]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/picture.php?pictureid=324&albumid=16&dl=1215596810&thumb=1[/IMG][IMG]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/picture.php?pictureid=325&albumid=16&dl=1215597162&thumb=1[/IMG]

^ those are examples of style imo, the photo's are shot with erm style in mind, they appeal to loads of people for obvious reasons, kind of a port folio or what ever, i dont know shit about it so i,m just spouting my own opinion.

[IMG]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/picture.php?pictureid=114&albumid=16&dl=1213640483&thumb=1[/IMG][IMG]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/picture.php?pictureid=111&albumid=16&dl=1213618833&thumb=1[/IMG][IMG]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/picture.php?pictureid=161&albumid=16&dl=1214351542&thumb=1[/IMG]

^ sorry lori, but imo those are just plain perverted, the first 2 sudjest to male mind ( wheather they be a REAL MAN or a kid as u put it thats there is someting deeper going to happen ) there is so much sex ouzing out of those that a male mind would go into overdrive, i think the comment on the last picture said it all " the mistress has a flat " hmmmm .....imo thats prime example of using sex to sell yourself...hay maybe its just the way i think but @least i,m honest and i,m guessing that 99% of the male population of this board thought the same but dont have the guts to admit it. ts not exactly getting them out behind the decks but a picture speaks a thousand words

:what

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That's fucking dumb. Those are all nicely styled shots. The first set could be a portfolio as you suggest, the second set are obviously styled for ads or commercial reasons. But in no way are they perverted.

Those aren't using sex to sell 'herself,' they're using sex to sell a product. [URL="http://images.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&esrch=BetaShortcuts&q=american%20apparel&btnG=Search+Images"]Check out some American Apparel ads[/URL]. Think on that.

The perversion is being projected by you. YOU think they're perverted. That doesn't reflect the opinion of others or even constitute an objective opinion of the way those shots are styled.

You want to see tacky shit, just look in the titty thread. Or pick up any FHM.

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hey i know, i only read the first p[art of the post did sorry but i guess this is a part of the forum where u can talk about anything,[B][U] there are other places where u can advertise things on the forum, thats why they were put there in the first place[/U][/B]

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[quote=feather;641222]That's fucking dumb. Those are all nicely styled shots. The first set could be a portfolio as you suggest, the second set are obviously styled for ads or commercial reasons. But in no way are they perverted.

The perversion is being projected by you. YOU think they're perverted. That doesn't reflect the opinion of others or even constitute an objective opinion of the way those shots are styled.

You want to see tacky shit, just look in the titty thread. Or pick up any FHM.[/quote]

lmao ok i,m perverted, why is there a titty thread in the first place here ?...feather u just blew ur toes off m8, how many posts do u have in there ? would u like me to count ?

sex sells. end of story.

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Resident CHODE = Red1

Every forum has one and he's it.

FYI - Red1 your acting like an immature imbecile. (Use [url]www.dictionary.com[/url] if you don't know what that means).

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oh behave

u were the one that wanted to lust over a dj/model stuck up on ur room wall....

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I don't know what you're on about. I have no qualms about being a heterosexual man who likes tits or a tight body.

But I don't make judgement calls on what's perverted.

And I don't see why my appreciation for the women body deride my comments in this post? FYI I actually think some of the pics I post are pretty decent and erotic as opposed to the more in-your-face skanks.

They're completely different issues to me. I was commenting on your comment that Shiva's pictures are perverted, and I said if you want to see some real tacky shit, just look in the titty thread for a comparison.

What's not to get?

There's this 'trend' in which you make these judgement calls and assume they're it. The world doesn't revolve around you. Even if you think the whole world's perverted, you think we care? We'll go on without you. Your head's so far up the ass you're going to implode like a blackhole.

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maybe my choice of wording was a little off but dont u think those pictures image has been designed around sex?

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I'm not the one with his "head up his own ass" using the "C" word. You lack the tact when conversing with women. Now I can see why you lack getting laid anytime soon.

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i,m not having a go @ shiva personally, she didnt take those photo's ...she was asked as a model to pose in a certain way which was a product which the photographer had in mind, that photographer obviously had a certain client or market in mind, sure some people may see them as stylish but how many women would put there bare leg up on another womans in the normal life ?

thats just using sex and lust as a way of selling an image