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al gore, hypocrtical bastard.

72 durable postsStarted 2007-02-27Latest 2017-09-23
#812388Post 41 of 72

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[quote=DIDI;450692]I find it very difficult to believe you are an environmentalist, your lack of knowledge on Al Gore is astounding. ![/quote]

Um, did I miss something? In response to the previous post and not being a Gore hater- the dude lives in a 10,000 S.F. + mansion and consumes 200,000 + KWh/year. ([URL]http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm[/URL]) I live in a 1,500 sq/ft house and consume less than 1/10th of that amount. Just because you buy energy from a "green source" does not allow you consume as much as you want. Such unmitigated energy consumption from a utility for 2 people does not reflect well on someone calling on the world to reduce their energy consumption.

#812398Post 42 of 72

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I must say, the spin doctors have done a great job again deflecting people's attention from the real problem to some bullshit in the margin. I wonder what Britney's doing...

#812401Post 43 of 72

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[quote=Kobe;450883]now they've sunk to merely attacking Gore's character. :roll:[/quote]

Politicians being politicians??? shocking! :shock:

#812403Post 44 of 72

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[quote=KinKyJ;450895]I must say, the spin doctors have done a great job [/quote]

Pocket Full of Kryptonite?

#812561Post 45 of 72

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Al Gore invented Global Warming.

#812563Post 46 of 72

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im gonna grow another beard.

#812567Post 47 of 72

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^^^ makes sence: two chins, two beards...

#812569Post 48 of 72

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rolfservermaximus.

#812570Post 49 of 72

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:CrackUp:

#812571Post 50 of 72

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no more. you gave me a complex. i have lost 38 pounds. down to 162, and that is actully bad news, because now i am fighting at a weight class where the guys are too short and quick for me to grapple with. gonna get my ass beat in on the 20th if i cant pick up my striking.

#812573Post 51 of 72

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i would just grab your double chin.

#812575Post 52 of 72

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oh shit, dom, i found that pic i took of your family last time you visited NYC.

[IMG]http://www.nnanime.com/events/0407sdcc/day4/dscn0026.jpg[/IMG]

#812580Post 53 of 72

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dude! I am taller now.

#812625Post 54 of 72

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Hey Kinky, sounds like you are having the winter we had here in Ohio last year. It barely got below the freezing mark all winter...and boy was it great!!!

#812635Post 55 of 72

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if you love rain that is...

Sean, I'm proud of you! Keep it up and I bet your ass won't look fat in that skirt anymore in a few months. Just in time for summer ;)

#812860Post 56 of 72

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[QUOTE=jarble187;450885]Um, did I miss something? In response to the previous post and not being a Gore hater- the dude lives in a 10,000 S.F. + mansion and consumes 200,000 + KWh/year. ([URL]http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm[/URL]) I live in a 1,500 sq/ft house and consume less than 1/10th of that amount. Just because you buy energy from a "green source" does not allow you consume as much as you want. Such unmitigated energy consumption from a utility for 2 people does not reflect well on someone calling on the world to reduce their energy consumption.[/QUOTE] See that post again reinforces how little you know about Al Gore.

Have you also heard of a market principle called "supply and demand" The market will respond to meet the demand . In fact this is one reason why I believe we do have a good chance of developing alternative energy programs. The environment is becoming good business. . Aside from that have you actually heard of people queuing up and being refused green energy because there isn't enough to go around :lol: It's the opposite problem , not enough are signing up.

For some reason we seem to be getting more information here??

"A Gore spokeswoman said the former vice president invests in enough renewable energy to make up for the home's power consumption

'To balance out other carbon emissions, the Gores invest money in projects to reduce energy consumption' Kreider said." [B]TIME also noted that the Tennessee Center for Policy Research, "got its figures from Nashville Electric Service. But company spokeswoman Laurie Parker said the utility never got a request from the policy center and never gave it any information." [/B] The BBC, also quoted Gore's spokeswoman Kalee Kreider as stating that these figures reflect the fact that the Gores "worked from home". Kreider continued: "The family was trying to reduce carbon emissions by getting energy from a local programme which generated energy from renewable resources such as solar and wind power instead of fossil fuels They were also in the process of installing solar panels and low-energy light bulbs to reduce consumption from the grid." The article also indicates that the Gore family drives a Lexis hybrid SUV. Kreider suggested that the attacks on Gore's energy use were political in nature and stated: "Sometimes when people don't like the message, in this case that global warming is real, it's convenient to attack the messenger."

A former Gore aide also said he suspected a campaign by Mr Gore's political opponents:

“ Considering that [Gore] spends an overwhelming majority of his time advocating on behalf of and trying to affect change on this issue, it's not surprising that people who have a vested interest in protecting the status quo would go after him. ”

In addition, WKRN-TV reported on 27 February 2007 that the Gore family obtains their power from the Nashville Electric Service's "renewable energy initiative", The Green Power Switch program and that this program's "power sources are primarily wind, solar and methane gas solar power is generated from photovoltaic panels that convert the sun's energy to electricity.

Energy from methane gas is provided by the city of Memphis wastewater treatment facility, which produces a methane by-product that is co-fired with coal."

The Detroit Free Press also noted in a 27 February 2007 article that "Gore purchased 108 blocks of 'green power' for each of the past three months, according to a summary of the bills. That’s a total of $432 a month Gore paid extra for solar or other renewable energy sources.

The green power Gore purchased is equivalent to recycling 2.48 million aluminum cans or 286,092 pounds of newspaper, according to comparison figures on NES’s Web site."


#812878Post 57 of 72

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quality post didi!

#812907Post 58 of 72

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I like the warm weather.

#812925Post 59 of 72

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I definetly do not consider myself a "Gore Expert" and personally, really dont care that much to know about his personal life. However, I was merely trying to state a simple point which seems to be ignored because Al does so many great things to offset his excess. It was mentioned that-

"A Gore spokeswoman said the former vice president invests in enough renewable energy to make up for the home's power consumption."

This is a luxury none of us can afford. Sure, I understand Mr. Gore tries to offset his consumption, but dont you think that he is wasting in some aspects of his life where others (his audience that he is trying to reach) doesnt have the luxury of going out and purchasing green power in huge blocks, buying hybrid cars, or installing solar panles on our homes? The above qoute loud and clearly tells me that its ok to consume as much as you want as long as you can afford to buy it off. Supply and demand- thats a totally modern concept that inherintly says take, take, take. What happened to being a modest person that only takes what he needs. Sure, not many people want to live the life of the Amish, farmers, or native indians, but these people have showed us that you dont need the excesses of modern times to live a descent, happy, and non-wasteful life. Again, simply put, if he didnt live in a 20 bedroom house in the first place, his ecological "footprint" would be less than it is now. For somebody promoting the dangers of excess, he is not the best role model by owning mutiple enourmous homes and flying across the country in a private jet. I just think that there are hundreds, if not thousands of other people out there that are living off the grid, in homes that are made of recycled and/or re-used material, in a more modest sense, living lightly on the earth. Im not saying that Al Gore should be ashamed of himself. He is doing great thing and making an effort, which is far more than most people have done. His lifestyle is clearly a product of his occupation, and Im just unsure that he conveys the proper green image.

#812995Post 60 of 72

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[quote=jarble187;451473]I definetly do not consider myself a "Gore Expert" and personally, really dont care that much to know about his personal life. However, I was merely trying to state a simple point which seems to be ignored because Al does so many great things to offset his excess. It was mentioned that-

"A Gore spokeswoman said the former vice president invests in enough renewable energy to make up for the home's power consumption."

This is a luxury none of us can afford. Sure, I understand Mr. Gore tries to offset his consumption, but dont you think that he is wasting in some aspects of his life where others (his audience that he is trying to reach) doesnt have the luxury of going out and purchasing green power in huge blocks, buying hybrid cars, or installing solar panles on our homes? The above qoute loud and clearly tells me that its ok to consume as much as you want as long as you can afford to buy it off. Supply and demand- thats a totally modern concept that inherintly says take, take, take. What happened to being a modest person that only takes what he needs. Sure, not many people want to live the life of the Amish, farmers, or native indians, but these people have showed us that you dont need the excesses of modern times to live a descent, happy, and non-wasteful life. Again, simply put, if he didnt live in a 20 bedroom house in the first place, his ecological "footprint" would be less than it is now. For somebody promoting the dangers of excess, he is not the best role model by owning mutiple enourmous homes and flying across the country in a private jet. I just think that there are hundreds, if not thousands of other people out there that are living off the grid, in homes that are made of recycled and/or re-used material, in a more modest sense, living lightly on the earth. Im not saying that Al Gore should be ashamed of himself. He is doing great thing and making an effort, which is far more than most people have done. His lifestyle is clearly a product of his occupation, and Im just unsure that he conveys the proper green image.[/quote]

The average Joe can afford a Prius, a hybrid, and considering Toyota is moving most of it's line to hybrids, I'd say it's pretty affordable. Solar panels, maybe not as big as his, are still affordable and can be used to help relieve the strain on the grids. Most people don't want them though because they a) don't know about them or b) don't like rectangular objects jutting out of the roof.

#813001Post 61 of 72

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^^^Thanks for catching my point :what The Prius starts at $20,000- by the time you add dealer mark-up and tax, youre at $25,000. Thats not the most affordable car for the average Joe and who wants to drive the ugly thing? Although, tax credit and future fuel savings help make up for the initial cost, which is some incentive.

#813068Post 62 of 72

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so jarble, first you attack Gore for not having an environmentally friendly home and then when facts are shown that he does, you attack the cost of the environmentally friendly methods he uses...weak, imo :roll:

What next?...

#813255Post 63 of 72

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[quote=rubyraks;451625]so jarble, first you attack Gore for not having an environmentally friendly home and then when facts are shown that he does, you attack the cost of the environmentally friendly methods he uses...weak, imo :roll:

What next?...[/quote]

I think you misread or misunderstood my posts, Ruby. And Im definetly not psycho, one-sided, or weak as you make me out to be. I am simply trying to state an objective opinion. For one, I never attacked Gore for not having an environmentally friendly house. Not sure where you even came up with that. Two post ago, I praised Al because he was at least making an effort. I also agree whole heartidly with every step he has taken to make his house a less burden on the evironment- ie, net zero carbon emmission, eco friendly lights, buying green power, etc. That makes good and perfect sense. As far as attacking the cost of the environmentally friendly methods he uses, there is some validity to that. This is where I am coming from- I am looking at Al as a single consumer. Each and every one of us share this same role. Coming from an environmental standpoint, everything we do (individuals united as an entire whole) has a direct impact on the global warming issue. Things like how much embodied energy are instilled into the products we buy, how large are homes are, how much gas we use to get to work, how much waste we produce, etc, all effect global warming. Gettin back to Al, inherently, the rich have larger houses, larger vehicles, and a larger "thirst" to consume. The fact is that it takes more fossil fuels to heat/cool larger volumes, which depletes out natural resources and inturn produces more greenhouse gases. I am merely getting at the consumption amount that varies from person to person an Al happens to take the spotlight. Cost plays in because green power and products that contain recycled material cost more to purchase at a way higher premium (which is a whole other debate). As much as I would like to, I simply cannot afford to buy a hybrid, pay for green power from my local power supplier, install energy harvesting equipment on my house- all at the same time. Futhermore, I would [U]want to reduce my load by as much as possible[/U] to help reduce these costs, to make it more practical. I dont know what more to say, and quite frankly, this topic has distracted me too much today. I think that I am getting at a simple concept and wish you all could see it.

#813304Post 64 of 72

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jarble, I humbly apologize...I misread a name and just realized it wasn't you. :oops:

#822401Post 65 of 72

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On Channel Four last night there was a documenty called The Great Global Warming Swindle. I missed it myself but Im downloading it now off torrentspy. It was an hour and half long and by all accounts an amazing documentry. you guys should go and download it.

#822666Post 66 of 72

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Its not about how much energy you use, its about what kind of energy you use. If Al Gore is using 20 times the energy of another person, but its all green and not adding to global warming.. its all good. Don't let twisted maths fool you! ;)

As far as hybrids go. If you search for them, you can find hybrid kits for many MANY cars. They cost a couple grand generally, but work!

C

#823816Post 67 of 72

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[LEFT][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=Silver][SIZE=2]Mr. Steven Green Head of Production Wag TV 2D Leroy House 436 Essex Road London N1 3QP[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][COLOR=Silver] [/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=Silver][SIZE=2]10 March 2007[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][COLOR=Silver] [/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=Silver][SIZE=2]Dear Mr. Green:[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][COLOR=Silver] [/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=Silver][SIZE=2]I am writing to record what I told you on the telephone yesterday about your Channel 4 film "The Global Warming Swindle." Fundamentally, I am the one who was swindled---please read the email below that was sent to me (and re-sent by you). Based upon this email and subsequent telephone conversations, and discussions with the Director, Martin Durkin, I thought I was being asked to appear in a film that would discuss in a balanced way the complicated elements of understanding of climate change---in the best traditions of British television. Is there any indication in the email evident to an outsider that the product would be so tendentious, so unbalanced?[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][COLOR=Silver] [/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=Silver][SIZE=2]I was approached, as explained to me on the telephone, because I was known to have been unhappy with some of the more excitable climate-change stories in the British media, most conspicuously the notion that the Gulf Stream could disappear, among others. When a journalist approaches me suggesting a "critical approach" to a technical subject, as the email states, my inference is that we are to discuss which elements are contentious, why they are contentious, and what the arguments are on all sides. To a scientist, "critical" does not mean a hatchet job---it means a thorough-going examination of the science. The scientific subjects described in the email, and in the previous and subsequent telephone conversations, are complicated, worthy of exploration, debate, and an educational effort with the public. Hence my willingness to participate. Had the words "polemic", or "swindle" appeared in these preliminary discussions, I would have instantly declined to be involved.[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][COLOR=Silver] [/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=Silver][SIZE=2]I spent hours in the interview describing many of the problems of understanding the ocean in climate change, and the ways in which some of the more dramatic elements get exaggerated in the media relative to more realistic, potentially truly catastrophic issues, such as the implications of the oncoming sea level rise. As I made clear, both in the preliminary discussions, and in the interview itself, I believe that global warming is a very serious threat that needs equally serious discussion and no one seeing this film could possibly deduce that.[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][COLOR=Silver] [/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=Silver][SIZE=2]What we now have is an out-and-out propaganda piece, in which there is not even a gesture toward balance or explanation of why many of the extended inferences drawn in the film are not widely accepted by the scientific community. There are so many examples, it's hard to know where to begin, so I will cite only one: a speaker asserts, as is true, that carbon dioxide is only a small fraction of the atmospheric mass. The viewer is left to infer that means it couldn't really matter. But even a beginning meteorology student could tell you that the relative masses of gases are irrelevant to their effects on radiative balance. A director not intending to produce pure propaganda would have tried to eliminate that piece of disinformation.[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][COLOR=Silver] [/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=Silver][SIZE=2]An example where my own discussion was grossly distorted by context: I am shown explaining that a warming ocean could expel more carbon dioxide than it absorbs -- thus exacerbating the greenhouse gas buildup in the atmosphere and hence worrisome. It was used in the film, through its context, to imply that CO2 is all natural, coming from the ocean, and that therefore the human element is irrelevant. This use of my remarks, which are literally what I said, comes close to fraud.[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][COLOR=Silver] [/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=Silver][SIZE=2]I have some experience in dealing with TV and print reporters and do understand something of the ways in which one can be misquoted, quoted out of context, or otherwise misinterpreted. Some of that is inevitable in the press of time or space or in discussions of complicated issues. Never before, however, have I had an experience like this one. My appearance in the "Global Warming Swindle" is deeply embarrasing, and my professional reputation has been damaged. I was duped---an uncomfortable position in which to be.[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][COLOR=Silver] [/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=Silver][SIZE=2]At a minimum, I ask that the film should never be seen again publicly with my participation included. Channel 4 surely owes an apology to its viewers, and perhaps WAGTV owes something to Channel 4. I will be taking advice as to whether I should proceed to make some more formal protest.[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][COLOR=Silver] [/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=Silver][SIZE=2]Sincerely,[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][COLOR=Silver] [/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=Silver][SIZE=2]Carl Wunsch Cecil and Ida Green Professor of Physical Oceanography Massachusetts Institute of Technology[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][/LEFT]

#823820Post 68 of 72

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^^^ Now [I]that [/I]is energy conservation at work!

By using a darker font, my monitor is using less power than it would to illuminate a brighter color.

Well done shan!

#823827Post 69 of 72

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:d

#823828Post 70 of 72

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  1. if you think global warming is fake, you are a moron.
  2. i started this thread to point out that actions speak louder than words and gore should be acting on the "new cause of my life"
  3. internet fighting is funny
  4. the toyota prius is indeed a shit car. ugly as that girl from welcome to the dollhouse, and like her, has to put out better milege to keep the user around.
  5. rubyraks is not human. but really a computer program used to fight ppl and show skillz on the net. the person we have all met and hung out with is actually David Boyle, Esq. a nice chap from grammercy park here in NYC.
  6. shan, post in color.
#823831Post 71 of 72

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screw global warming anyways...

Hey shan I posted the video you are looking for in the politics section I think.. its on google video

#1776498Post 72 of 72

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This thread was at the bottom of the last thing I went to . Would be really interesting what people have to say now. I am quite comfortable with my stance in the thread.

A couple of people there I miss, KinkyJ was always good value :)

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