i've been almost complete removed from the house scene for the last 2 years, probably from living in the detroit. mi area. the recent john digweed kiss 100 mixes, some of the guest mixes as of late, steve lawlers L.O. 3, for example, seem to be taking on this different sound compared to that of 2 years ago before i left. from what i heard, im not really feelin it the way i used to i think. its seems to be a more electric, funky, sort of sound i can put my finger on. anyone know what i mean? i might be wrong, i dont know. just an observation.

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yeah man, "progressive" has fused in a lot more elements of electo, funk and breaks over the past few years....just the natural course of business.....there is still good music out there you will like.

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Progressive is a rotting caracas of it's former self. Lazy superstar DJ's and the fools who afford them their outrageous booking fees has all but killed this music.

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^ I wouldn't go quite that far - sure, the big name dj's are getting some poor reviews of late (i.e. sander k and that whole 'mr roboto' thing) but that just means that the lesser known dj's are getting the chance to showcase their track selection and ability.

I have been pleasantly surprised in the past 6 months by sets I've heard from Luke Morrison, Yvel&Tristan,Olli S, Mirel Jarca and Michael Lanning - there is quality music out there.

Remember, it's all cyclical - remember the days of 1998 prog trance (awesome IMO) which soon became that dark 'Pappa' sound, which morphed into the whole breaks thing, now it's electro etc which I don't care for at all, but soon it will change again.

Progressive is way more than just a 'fad'. I sincerely believe it's here to stay, constantly evolving and getting better and better

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Progressive music has been with us for the whole time over the last years and it is still there. As Greg said, you "just" have to get away from DJ's you listened to before and look who is playing what you like best at the moment. There are so many awesome DJ's out who haven't stopped or started playing Progressive..you only have to dig a bit for them instead of listening to the 20th Digweed set where you wonder why he plays so much Electro instead of Progressive. :lol:

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yea, electro, thats the "new" sound many djs have been spinning...im still into that darker progressive sound, the electro sound doesnt really move me, not yet anyways i usually take a while to get into new sounds. ive actually been getting a little back into the trance a bit, some of it really isnt as cheesy as most might say...sander van doorn, this guy is amazing.

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progressive needs to regain its identity as a unique individual genre. prog changed because it had to. the trance dj's noticed progs steadying rise in popularity and started incorporating prog tracks into there mixes. thats why its funny to see some of you guys slam avb, oakenfold and tiesto, when they play prog tracks in thre sets. (sultan, thomas penton, nugen, chris micali, greg benz, etc) the line between trance and prog was to blurred and the whole dark prog phase ended because people were looking for osmething different and fact of the matter is this new "dark prog" is pure crap compared to the satoshi tommie days and lexicon avenue days. nobody hs been able to top those guys in the realm of prog and both satoshi and lex ave have moved onto different sounds.. prog will be good again once it gets a little deeper and stripped down. it needs to go back to having more of a housier feel to seperate itself from trance.

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[quote=TomTom]you only have to dig a bit for them instead of listening to the 20th Digweed set where you wonder why he plays so much Electro instead of Progressive. :lol:[/quote]

if the man whos practically responsible to the genre as a whole has moved on, shouldnt we wonder if maybe he's on to something?

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Digweed and Nick Muir have changed the style.......Diggerz stop playing progressive and this year has played a lot of electro....I prefer progressive always....so I hope electro dont invade more place......

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[quote=3d_1200]if the man whos practically responsible to the genre as a whole has moved on, shouldnt we wonder if maybe he's on to something?[/quote]

No, not at all. His taste isn't mine and mine hasn't to be his. He can "move forward" if you would like to call it like this and I stay where I am without feeling uneducated or less worthy. The only question is, if your favourite DJ changes his record box a lot, will you like it and follow him or not?

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thats whats happened with lee burridge imo. I used to love that guys sets but some of his sets from this year seem different to me. I've found that jay tripwire and tyler stadius' proton show is more like my kinda thing nowadays

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i do agree that the sound has changed, but the sound is ALWAYS changing. that's what makes the music so great. a full spectrum of progressive music is out there. from the more epic and melodic prog to the funky and fun stuff that is arguably house music anyway. you just have to find what you like and not be against broadening those horizons at anytime. i for one can't wait to see what kind of change 2006 will be bring to our music. i hope to hear more housey stuff that just makes people move as well as some of the dark sound that some people have alluded to in this thread.

as for diggers it seems lately he has been playing a much more diverse selection of tracks on his kiss show, but he really impressed me last year with some very qulity mixes. for me Diggers is still on point, but many djs out there also have pushed prog in many other exciting directions.

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progressive rocks. love the new sounds and tastes. this is such a good movement and always has been. taking elements from different genres and splicing them together. good stuff. can not wait for more in 2006.

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[QUOTE=nyy77]yea, electro, thats the "new" sound many djs have been spinning...im still into that darker progressive sound, the electro sound doesnt really move me, not yet anyways i usually take a while to get into new sounds. ive actually been getting a little back into the trance a bit, some of it really isnt as cheesy as most might say...sander van doorn, this guy is amazing.[/QUOTE]

I have been unhappy with the music for the past 2 years, simply because I don't like the tracks that are being played my favorite DJ's. I think I stopped my bithching about it, and now just hope that the music moves into a sound that I like as much as I loved deep dark house. I know how you feel, and agree with you.:)

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[quote=TomTom]No, not at all. His taste isn't mine and mine hasn't to be his. He can "move forward" if you would like to call it like this and I stay where I am without feeling uneducated or less worthy. The only question is, if your favourite DJ changes his record box a lot, will you like it and follow him or not?[/quote]

I used to be a big deep dish fan, but obviously they've changed directions as well. do i hate them or rip them because they're not catering specifically to me? not at all, i respect where there going and what they've done. i've found new dj's whohave turned me on to new things. thats just the thing, no matter what your into, theres always another dj out there who is really doing something you enjoy. just because some people change styles, doesn't mean all of a sudden the music sucks and your favorite dj's 'sold out' like some others seem to put it. i think this is a time in music where some of the lesser known talent really has an oppurtunity to shine.

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at least times are changing......i don't even know if you could refer to any music today as progressive

its all electronic to me now

RIP progressive house

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progressive house died around the mid nineties ffs :roll:

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long live electronic choons:evil: :twisted: :evil: :twisted:

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Bring back the goddam funk!

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blackwatch - skin deep

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heard Max Graham the other night and it's a complete 180 from where he used to be 4-5 years ago...so not only does the music change, the DJ's sometime change as well...too much good shit out there to just limit yourself to 1 particular area...

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being quite new to this music (started listening seriously to prog house about 1 year ago) i must admit that i find mixes by so-called big name djs mostly uninspiring and dull. their former work seems to be better though. maybe after some time i´ll be able to better value what they have done for the music. but as being a new-comer it´s just listening to the beats without any prejudices right now. so to speak its more about the new faces for me.. especially internet radio stations like mercury or proton are a very nice way to stay in contact with fresh music of this genre and spread music by new artists to a broad audience.

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The first electro thread of 2006!

Now, where's cdj for the first religious debate?

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[quote=picklemonkey]The first electro thread of 2006!

Now, where's cdj for the first religious debate?[/quote]

i :LoveYou: cdj's

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This is my first post on MS since a very long time (I think the current evolution of prog has everything to do with that), but threads like this are always interesting to read. Honestly, I hope the 'contra' feeling against the nowadays progressive will make new DJ's and producers stand up and bring back 'the original feeling' of the music; probably resulting in a small 'original prog' scene, with small parties and so on ... but with music that brings up the old spirit. You won't hear me say that the old prog is better than electro prog, because that's only matter of personal taste. I just wanna say there should be a small scene again which brings up the original feelings and sounds again. It would let the prog heads choose in what they prefer to continue: new prog, old prog or maybe both. But like it is now, you are forced to deal with the electro sounding prog.

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^^^crikey, long time no see (hear?) :what how are you mate? any word on Kristof? hope you had a good christmas and new year :)

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prog can go all over the place as long as it is good and avoids the ""sasha-studder the tune then dump in a new tune with a studder on ableton mixing stlye"". god can he please go back to vinyl and CD's

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finally someone who doesn't have the maven shoved so far up there ass that they think what sasha is doing is cool!!! THANK YOU SIGHTLESS.

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^^^yeah whatever, same old "i think i'm gonna sound cool if i pretend to hate Sasha" shit! just face it mate, in 6 months time when you catch up and realise what he is about you will be blagging that you were well into it at the time, even if you don't like what he does, do you really need to fill every thread with your thoughts? nobody gives a shit, least of all Sasha, get a grip ffs :lol: :roll:

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[quote=chemicalbeavis]^^^crikey, long time no see (hear?) :what how are you mate? any word on Kristof? hope you had a good christmas and new year :)[/quote]

Haven't spoken to Kristof for a year or something. I think he isn't into prog either anymore and moved on to other styles (that's the last thing I know from him).

Recently, I'm going out to dark electro/goth parties (not that I'm dressed in black leader suits hehe). There's quite some good music out there to be honest. Dairy of dreams, Angels of Agony ... I prefer it above the current prog :twisted: . I've even started up my dark electro band again and on 17/02/06, we have our first show.

If there's time left, I'll take up my prog project again as well (my last tracks were the ones I posted here a year ago or something).

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actualy chem, his last time out at crobar he went with CDs for awhile and honestly, the sasha magic from twilo atmosphere returned. he is still an amazing DJ, but when on that fucking computer he loses something. i saw him monthly last year and monthly back when and he is 100% better when actually mixing, not hitting the studder button to a tiefscwartz remix and dumping in another drum pattern. it is not as good IMO>

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LOL

just because i ripped your favorite dj that you hold in a god like status doesn't mean you needed to take that personally. in 6 months time if all the dj's i enjoy are using ableton, i don't know what i'd do. im allowed my personal views towards ableton when its used live at a club. i just dont feel it. most people wouldnt either if it wasn;t sasha the one doing it. if sasha was still spinning vinyl and digweed used ableton, everyone would rip digweed for it, so whats the difference. sasha has done so many questionable things over his career so dont be shocked that someone doesn't gve a shit about him. i havent been a fan of sasha long before i joined this message board. so dont patronize me with this whole "hating sasha is cool". and it's not hate, its just apathy. the one word that always comes to mind when i hear his name is overrated.

and i def dont fill every thread with anti sasha thoughts because theres really no point disagree with sasha's fan club. it was just refreshing to hear someone else didn't buy into all the hype around the cute little maven and all of that. so i dont know where you got that from.

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chem loves sasha. yes. but yes people we love can make mistakes.

PS in the 60 or so times i have seen sasha(3 years of twilo, 1.5 years at crobar, more shows at crobar, filter 14, ARC, miami, boston), he has never been better on that computer.

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[quote=Gloomy]Haven't spoken to Kristof for a year or something. I think he isn't into prog either anymore and moved on to other styles (that's the last thing I know from him).

Recently, I'm going out to dark electro/goth parties (not that I'm dressed in black leader suits hehe). There's quite some good music out there to be honest. Dairy of dreams, Angels of Agony ... I prefer it above the current prog :twisted: . I've even started up my dark electro band again and on 17/02/06, we have our first show.

If there's time left, I'll take up my prog project again as well (my last tracks were the ones I posted here a year ago or something).[/quote]

ah cool, well good to hear from you again, good luck with the band and don't be a stranger ;)

oh and if you see kristof, please tell him to drop by as well :)

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[quote=thesightless]chem loves sasha. yes. but yes people we love can make mistakes.

PS in the 60 or so times i have seen sasha(3 years of twilo, 1.5 years at crobar, more shows at crobar, filter 14, ARC, miami, boston), he has never been better on that computer.[/quote]

yeah i love Sasha :lol:

i have to say that of all the times i've seen Sasha, the best set i ever heard was at Fabric last July, what he did with Ableton was simply amazing, Sasha's only low point was circa 2000-2002 imo, since hes been using Ableton he's just been on fire, but horses for courses and all that... ;)

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now that have been quite a long time away, and haven't seen coming up new names ... which are the ones interesting to follow? Which DJ's are still keeping the old spirit alive? :)

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[quote=3d_1200]LOL

just because i ripped your favorite dj that you hold in a god like status doesn't mean you needed to take that personally. in 6 months time if all the dj's i enjoy are using ableton, i don't know what i'd do. im allowed my personal views towards ableton when its used live at a club. i just dont feel it. most people wouldnt either if it wasn;t sasha the one doing it. if sasha was still spinning vinyl and digweed used ableton, everyone would rip digweed for it, so whats the difference. sasha has done so many questionable things over his career so dont be shocked that someone doesn't gve a shit about him. i havent been a fan of sasha long before i joined this message board. so dont patronize me with this whole "hating sasha is cool". and it's not hate, its just apathy. the one word that always comes to mind when i hear his name is overrated.

and i def dont fill every thread with anti sasha thoughts because theres really no point disagree with sasha's fan club. it was just refreshing to hear someone else didn't buy into all the hype around the cute little maven and all of that. so i dont know where you got that from.[/quote]

If Digweed was doing it everyone would kiss his ass but Digweed is too much of a safe player to do something as radical as ditching vinyl and cd's, thats why Sasha is still Number 1, cause he has the vision to compliment the raw talent, i've been into Sasha for a long time and i constantly hear people tell me he's shit then a few years later when they realise just what he's about then say "yeah, i was into Sasha waaay back in the day" :lol: The man is a legend and dance music owes him a LOT :)

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[quote=Gloomy]now that have been quite a long time away, and haven't seen coming up new names ... which are the ones interesting to follow? Which DJ's are still keeping the old spirit alive? :)[/quote]

SASHA :RockOn: ;)

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Hehe, I never expected an answer like that, chem (seems like you haven't changed in all the time hehe)

Actually, I have to say I was impressed by GU028 CD1 from Nick Warren