The roads are submerged in fucking water not to mention that most of the bridges into and out of NO are structurally unsound and impassable! How in the hell are you supposed to truck, bus, or van food into there?

if they're driving people [i]from[/i] the Superdome, it means they can drive busses [i]to[/i] the superdome. am I missing something here?

No, you've got a point there. But how do you tell the other 400,000 or so people from various parts of the city to swim through the stagnant, diseased water to get to the SuperDome? I don't know if you've ever been to New Orleans but the SuperDome is quite a walk from the downtown area (Bourbon, Canal, etc) and add to it that you'd have to get there by sludging through waist-deep water. Good luck!

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[quote=Kinetic]Not tring to be a smart ass or anything, just wondering, but is that really a frequent way of thinking in the US? That somehow, even in situations this big, the US can hadle it better than anyone?[/quote]

[quote=picklemonkey]don't mind evangelion, he says things before thinking sometimes :lol:[/quote]

No...I said what I meant, and I meant what I said.

Never did I say "better than anyone." I said handle it...period. Don't put words in my mouth. And yes...we do have limitless resources, having resources does not mean we don't still need help. But alot of good they are doing right now. All the resources in the world don't mean shit if you can't get to where it is they are needed.

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[quote=evangelion][quote=Kinetic]Not tring to be a smart ass or anything, just wondering, but is that really a frequent way of thinking in the US? That somehow, even in situations this big, the US can hadle it better than anyone?[/quote]

Never did I say "better than anyone." I said handle it...period. And yes...we do have limitless resources, but alot of good they are doing right now. Having resources does not mean we don't still need help. All the resources in the world don't mean shit if you can't get to where it is they are needed.[/quote]

Yeah...like me going to Red Cross site a few minutes ago to donate and their server being down.

I hope you understood i wasn?t criticizing you...I was merely trying to understand your viewpoint.

Wanna know something really surprising from an European point of view? I was watching footage of people being rescued in NOLA, and people looting, and you know what? If I didn?t know that was happening in the USA, I?d think those images were from Bangladesh or Mozambique...I mean, those people look POOR...it?s showing an underbelly to the country that I bet is surprising many people around the world!

Dark humor : does anyone remember Katrina and the Waves, and their hit "Walking On Sunshine"? How prophetic...

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What...you mean the rest of the world really thinks everyone in American lives in million dollar mansions and drives a BMW. Don't we all wish...

Of course there is poor here, what do you want us to do, run a PBS specail on it so during the next natural disaster no one will be "surprised." I mean really, what is your point??

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[quote=evangelion]What...you mean the rest of the world really thinks everyone in American lives in million dollar mansions and drives a BMW. Don't we all wish...

Of course there is poor here, what do you want us to do, run a PBS specail on it so during the next natural disaster no one will be "surprised." I mean really, what is your point??[/quote]

I?m not trying to make a point, why does there have to be a point? I?m stating my views which, believe it or not, kinda reflects the views of quite a few people around here (here being my country)

Did you read what I said before about your media? Of course we don?t think that everyone has million dollar houses, but we don?t get much more than that shown around here, believe me. It takes a tragedy for this kinda stuff to be SHOWN out here.

That is my point, if there HAS to be a point.

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[quote=Kinetic][quote=evangelion]What...you mean the rest of the world really thinks everyone in American lives in million dollar mansions and drives a BMW. Don't we all wish...

Of course there is poor here, what do you want us to do, run a PBS specail on it so during the next natural disaster no one will be "surprised." I mean really, what is your point??[/quote]

I?m not trying to make a point, why does there have to be a point? I?m stating my views which, believe it or not, kinda reflects the views of quite a few people around here (here being my country)

Did you read what I said before about your media? Of course we don?t think that everyone has million dollar houses, but we don?t get much more than that shown around here, believe me. It takes a tragedy for this kinda stuff to be SHOWN out here.

That is my point, if there HAS to be a point.[/quote]

I understand what kinetic is getting at in his previous post. Hurricane Katrina did strike some areas that are very poverty stricken. I read one report on cnn stating that the average per capita income in some parts of Mississippi is only $18,000 a year and that some people were unable to evacuate because the hurricane hit prior to the 1st of the month (meaning that most will have rec'd checks in the mail the by at least September 2nd). Therfore many people just didn't have the money to be able to evacuate.

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[quote=Kinetic]I?m not trying to make a point, why does there have to be a point? I?m stating my views which, believe it or not, kinda reflects the views of quite a few people around here (here being my country)

Did you read what I said before about your media? Of course we don?t think that everyone has million dollar houses, but we don?t get much more than that shown around here, believe me. It takes a tragedy for this kinda stuff to be SHOWN out here.

That is my point, if there HAS to be a point.[/quote]

[b]MY[/b] point is that why in a time such as this, are you concerned with how poor the people on TV look?? After a disaster such as this, I doubt anyone is going to look like a movie star.

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[quote=evangelion][quote=Kinetic]I?m not trying to make a point, why does there have to be a point? I?m stating my views which, believe it or not, kinda reflects the views of quite a few people around here (here being my country)

Did you read what I said before about your media? Of course we don?t think that everyone has million dollar houses, but we don?t get much more than that shown around here, believe me. It takes a tragedy for this kinda stuff to be SHOWN out here.

That is my point, if there HAS to be a point.[/quote]

[b]MY[/b] point is that why in a time such as this, are you concerned with how poor the people on TV look?? After a disaster such as this, I doubt anyone is going to look like a movie star.[/quote]

my god evangelion!!!Dont be SO paranoic..!!! he is only trying to say that that stuff is only shown when this kindda things happen, and i TOTALLY agree with him.

Im not tryin to criticize you or your people, im just agreeing with Kinetic, US is shown worlwide by media, tv, movie industry, etc as a DIVINE place, where nothing wrong could happen and where everyone is happy. Kinda alice in wonderland stuff.... :roll:... so the rest of the world gets to know the "real thing" when these things happen...its a shame.

LOTS of North Americans (I say north, because im an american too) show a kind of "im better than you" attitude when you speak to them...so, that can explain why a "YOU and US" topic exists...I guess its everybodys fault though, your education, and our hard feelings towards that...

the only media outlet I've seen report on that so far was from Democracy Now!...that many of those who DIDN'T evacuate were the poorest, sickest, oldest, etc. Basically those that didn't have the resources or the $$$$ to get out. It is a pretty poor region down there for the most part.

Someone was quoted as saying that it now looks like a 3rd world country down there...I don't doubt it. It will be for quite some time.

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[quote=Kinetic]If I didn?t know that was happening in the USA, I?d think those images were from Bangladesh or Mozambique...[/quote]

I can't believe my ears everytime I head the word "refugees" in reference to this. I just can't believe this is happening in this country. Like you said, this is something you typically see in some remote corner of the world. It's fucked to say this, but it is really different when it hits so close to home. :(

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If you want see just how bad the flooding is in New Orleans, check out this link. [url]http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_national/neworleanssatellite/index.html[/url] You can zoom in and out of this satellite image.

Many of my friends lost everything they have. Their homes are flooded and even if they could get to them, there's probably nothing worth salvaging. This whole thing is killing me. I love that place.

[quote=FM]the only media outlet I've seen report on that so far was from Democracy Now!...that many of those who DIDN'T evacuate were the poorest, sickest, oldest, etc. Basically those that didn't have the resources or the $$$$ to get out. It is a pretty poor region down there for the most part.

Someone was quoted as saying that it now looks like a 3rd world country down there...I don't doubt it. It will be for quite some time.[/quote]

I remember getting flamed in the politics section by some people for stating this...the south being a poor region in the US. And people are admitting it. Jeez...Anyway, it is indeed true the Europe gets to see only little of the southern part of the US in the media here, it's mostly the northern parts that are shown to us. But that is just a side-observation made in this whole shitty situation.

My dad mailed me that the crane vessel he's on is moving towards New Orleans right now, I hope they can do at least something on the coast line or on the drifting oil drilling rigs (which is their job anyway, placing and maintaining them). I remember him speaking fondly of the place, since he's been there a few times. He especially seemed to like Bourbon St. and some other, the ones with some old-skool clubs...

Was thinking about you earlier clintlove. Definitely wish all the best for everyone that you know that's still down there.

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Ya bro... good to hear that!!!

Has anyone heard from Tony Estrada??? He lives in New Orleans. I sent him an email the day of the hurricane and havent heard back... Getting worried now... I hope him and his family are OK! f.

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[quote=frisky]Has anyone heard from Tony Estrada???[/quote] He sent me a PM on AIM a few days ago (Monday maybe?) and he's been on AIM all day today.

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[quote=clintlove]http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_national/neworleanssatellite/index.html You can zoom in and out of this satellite image. [/quote]

:shock: speachless :(

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Things are getting worse in New Orleans. I don't know the details or circumstances, but it seems that aid isn't getting to the people quick enough.

The people will continue to get more violent because in their opinion they're just trying to survive. Plus, they feel ignored by the rest of the world because they've been stranded without food, water, and shelter for days now.

exactly. Part of the problem is just getting it there, period, but the other part is that you just can't suddenly mobilize up and have everything shipped down there overnight...:?

read some blogs out there...crazy-shit; media definitely isn't telling much else of the stories going on out there...

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[quote=Fer_Sancho]my god evangelion!!!Dont be SO paranoic..!!! he is only trying to say that that stuff is only shown when this kindda things happen, and i TOTALLY agree with him.

Im not tryin to criticize you or your people, im just agreeing with Kinetic, US is shown worlwide by media, tv, movie industry, etc as a DIVINE place, where nothing wrong could happen and where everyone is happy. Kinda alice in wonderland stuff.... :roll:... so the rest of the world gets to know the "real thing" when these things happen...its a shame.

LOTS of North Americans (I say north, because im an american too) show a kind of "im better than you" attitude when you speak to them...so, that can explain why a "YOU and US" topic exists...I guess its everybodys fault though, your education, and our hard feelings towards that...[/quote]

So it's somehow our fault that our movies, media, TV, whatever, make this country out to be some iliadic utopia?? So all of a sudden when you see poor people on TV it's "How there are poor people in America??? Who knew??" What is a shame??? That people believe everything they see and fail to realize that the U.S. is no different from anywhere else in certain aspects???

But that is not even my point. My point is why does any of this matter right now?? People, not Americans..people, are dying, rioting, looting, seeing dead bodies strew across the streets, and some of you want to dwell on how poor the people on TV look, the "YOU and US" topic, how are media makes our country seem perfect. For [b]ONCE[/b] can't the people going through this be [b]HUMANS [/b]and not [b]AMERICANS[/b], with all of your preconceived judgements???

in a way, yes...in a way, no...

check this post out on a blog... [quote]The following is the result of an interview I just conducted via cell phone with a New Orleans citizen stranded at the Convention Center. I don't know what you're hearing in the mainstream media or in the press conferences from the city and state officials, but here is the truth:

"Bigfoot" is a bar manager and DJ on Bourbon Street, and is a local personality and icon in the city. He is a lifelong resident of the city, born and raised. He rode out the storm itself in the Iberville Projects because he knew he would be above any flood waters. Here is his story as told to me moments ago. I took notes while he talked and then I asked some questions:

Three days ago, police and national guard troops told citizens to head toward the Crescent City Connection Bridge to await transportation out of the area. The citizens trekked over to the Convention Center and waited for the buses which they were told would take them to Houston or Alabama or somewhere else, out of this area.

It's been 3 days, and the buses have yet to appear.

Although obviously he has no exact count, he estimates more than 10,000 people are packed into and around and outside the convention center still waiting for the buses. They had no food, no water, and no medicine for the last three days, until today, when the National Guard drove over the bridge above them, and tossed out supplies over the side crashing down to the ground below. Much of the supplies were destroyed from the drop. Many people tried to catch the supplies to protect them before they hit the ground. Some offered to walk all the way around up the bridge and bring the supplies down, but any attempt to approach the police or national guard resulted in weapons being aimed at them.

There are many infants and elderly people among them, as well as many people who were injured jumping out of windows to escape flood water and the like -- all of them in dire straights.

Any attempt to flag down police results in being told to get away at gunpoint. Hour after hour they watch buses pass by filled with people from other areas. Tensions are very high, and there has been at least one murder and several fights. 8 or 9 dead people have been stored in a freezer in the area, and 2 of these dead people are kids.

The people are so desperate that they're doing anything they can think of to impress the authorities enough to bring some buses. These things include standing in single file lines with the eldery in front, women and children next; sweeping up the area and cleaning the windows and anything else that would show the people are not barbarians.

The buses never stop.

Before the supplies were pitched off the bridge today, people had to break into buildings in the area to try to find food and water for their families. There was not enough. This spurred many families to break into cars to try to escape the city. There was no police response to the auto thefts until the mob reached the rich area -- Saulet Condos -- once they tried to get cars from there... well then the whole swat teams began showing up with rifles pointed. Snipers got on the roof and told people to get back.

He reports that the conditions are horrendous. Heat, mosquitoes and utter misery. The smell, he says, is "horrific."

He says it's the slowest mandatory evacuation ever, and he wants to know why they were told to go to the Convention Center area in the first place; furthermore, he reports that many of them with cell phones have contacts willing to come rescue them, but people are not being allowed through to pick them up. 

I have "Bigfoot"'s phone number and will gladly give it to any city or state official who would like to tell him how everything is under control.[/quote]

And now the Astrodome is full...after 11,000 people [url]http://www.click2houston.com/news/4924019/detail.html[/url]

So much for the 25K initially "promised" :roll:

The government etc. has absolutely no clue what is going on or how to handle things...FEMA head says he just heard about the Convention Center earlier today...ummmm, ok sure. Unbelievable. Out of control.

man that is messed up FM, where are you reading those?

above came from Interdictor on Livejournal:

[url]http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/[/url]

these people have been riding things out in a high-rise building that's in a relatively intact section of town (re: some damage, but low flooding)

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[quote=evangelion]

So it's somehow our fault that our movies, media,...[/quote]

preconcieved judgements???!?!?!?!?!?

well...I see its pointless slash useless, to continue arguing.

Lets call it off...shall we? :roll:

CNN aint got shit on that blog page. i cant believe that shit about the national guards shoving water off the side of a bridge. thats BULLSHIT!! i wish i was a lawyer. i'd bring the fuckers up on charges!

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its crazy to see that in the states... normally the president is good to deal with disaters.. bush fucked up on this one i think.

i mean its out of order when bodies are floating around in the streets, thats way out of order..

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My thoughts are with all people who got hurt, killed or ruined by the Hurricane. There?s one thing I do not understand though and makes me mad so I have to rant about it.

20 countries have offered help, from richer countries like Japan and Germany to poorer countries like Honduras or Venezuela but Bush said no thanks in the first place on the ABC channel which I just saw on our news. He must have said something like "I do not expect much from other countries because we did not ask for help. Some are maybe willing to send us money but we can solve our problems on our own". Sorry but that?s just rubbish! We can see in the news how good your government is with flying people out and helping them. No offense here, it?s just the hugest rescue action in the last centuries so it will take a while but why does America (once again) isolate itself from the rest of the World instead of letting other countries help to rescue people and to provide them with food? This statement from Bush is also a slap in the Face for all people who packed their things together and travelled to the USA to help. Normally, help should be welcome, no matter who offers it and helping each other only brings people together. Refusing help makes people care less and your dear Mr. President has taken yet another step in making people not care about America with his nice words. He also took care that the Image the rest of the World has from America will not improve. You may not care about this right now, but some day this attitude will lead America to more serious problems than a Hurricane.

Condoleeza Rice has said in a press conference that "no offer of aid will be refused" so it appears as though she and her boss need to get on the same page - quickly! Immediately after her comments Russian officials stated that despite Rice's comments, their pledge to send search and rescue teams was declined.

[quote=skahound]Condoleeza Rice has said in a press conference that "no offer of aid will be refused" so it appears as though she and her boss need to get on the same page - quickly! Immediately after her comments Russian officials stated that despite Rice's comments, their pledge to send search and rescue teams was declined.[/quote]

That shit is unbelievable...

I can?t understand this attitude...and I sincerely doubt the American people are behind their government on this...

This is NO time to act proud!

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[quote=TomTom]Refusing help makes people care less and your dear Mr. President has taken yet another step in making people not care about America with his nice words. He also took care that the Image the rest of the World has from America will not improve. You may not care about this right now, but some day this attitude will lead America to more serious problems than a Hurricane.[/quote] I voted Kerry :not me:

[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9160710/[/url]

Watch the movie. link on right.

[quote=picklemonkey]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9160710/

Watch the movie. link on right.[/quote]

:(

...speechless...

How can it come to this?

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[quote=Fer_Sancho][quote=evangelion]

So it's somehow our fault that our movies, media,...[/quote]

preconcieved judgements???!?!?!?!?!?

well...I see its pointless slash useless, to continue arguing.

Lets call it off...shall we? :roll:[/quote]

Sure thing...I don't remember starting :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Even the weathermen are getting pissed off!

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[quote=Kinetic]How can it come to this?[/quote]

What...you mean murders, suicides and rapes [b]in[/b] the Superdome, bodies covered with blankets out in the open and people [i]still[/i] waiting for some kind of acknowledgement that help is on the way??? I don't know, but shit has got to change.....fast. :?

I can't watch the link at work...what is it???

Just a weatherman getting pissy at the news anchor lady when he's trying to explain Katrina's meteorological process.

Helicopters are [u]just[/u] being deployed from Norfolk today and a Red Cross comfort ship (ala cruise liner) is set to leave Baltimore on...get this...SUNDAY!

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[quote=TomTom]20 countries have offered help, from richer countries like Japan and Germany to poorer countries like Honduras or Venezuela but Bush said no thanks in the first place on the ABC channel which I just saw on our news. He must have said something like "I do not expect much from other countries because we did not ask for help. Some are maybe willing to send us money but we can solve our problems on our own". Sorry but that?s just rubbish! We can see in the news how good your government is with flying people out and helping them. No offense here, it?s just the hugest rescue action in the last centuries so it will take a while but why does America (once again) isolate itself from the rest of the World instead of letting other countries help to rescue people and to provide them with food? This statement from Bush is also a slap in the Face for all people who packed their things together and travelled to the USA to help. Normally, help should be welcome, no matter who offers it and helping each other only brings people together. Refusing help makes people care less and your dear Mr. President has taken yet another step in making people not care about America with his nice words. He also took care that the Image the rest of the World has from America will not improve. You may not care about this right now, but some day this attitude will lead America to more serious problems than a Hurricane.[/quote]

I haven't seen or heard anything about this, but if that is the case the man has lost his mind. The single biggest crisis in the history of this country and he wants to "go it alone" again?? WTF!!! Our rescue efforts are obviously pushed well beyond capacity and he is REFUSING HELP??!!!

This shit is just getting more and more fucked up on so many levels. What the fuck is happening??? :x

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The south voted overwhelmingly for Bush in 2004. Its nice to know that he's there for them now.

Either way - this is just a sad situation all round... Its a perfect study of how society just completely breaks down into anarchy after a disaster if there is no government.

f.