[ms] · Est. May 2002
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[quote=asdf_admin][quote]"i had a dream that i was giving sasha head at fundacion!"[/quote]
that is a little much for me. there is no need to get personal esp. in that sense.[/quote]
yeah, get out of my dreams, get into my car!
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:lol: i spent so much time on that review. :cry:
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And it shows buddy. :Bingo:
I give your review [color=red]***[/color]
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:lol: thank you. 8)
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[quote=asdf_admin]:lol: i spent so much time on that review. :cry:[/quote]
It payed off, it was well thought out and backed up, and explanatory of your personal reasons for track selection dissatisfaction.
Push me, and then touch me, till I can get my Sah Tis Faa kshun
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i had fun with it. i was running around with my undies drinking my white russians. had this blasting and gave the baby a bath and wrote it up. I tried to stay as objective and fair as possible. i love Sasha, and frankly I would have him sign my tits, but i had to step away from that and dig in and [b]PERSECUTE[/b] my own "god". i hope he does not banish me. i still love you. :lol:
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[quote=asdf_admin]i had fun with it. i was running around with my undies drinking my white russians. had this blasting and gave the baby a bath and wrote it up. I tried to stay as objective and fair as possible. i love Sasha, and frankly I would have him sign my tits, but i had to step away from that and dig in and [b]PERSECUTE[/b] my own "god". i hope he does not banish me. i still love you. :lol:[/quote]
Hey man, you did it respectfully and with obviously thought-through-explanatory reasons and not insults or character jabs... Think of the contrast to those on the board who "idolize" diggers but refer to him as washed up because he isn't dark and dirty when they want him to be. For someone who has never heard sasha live, you have done more than your fair share of fact-searching to ensure you aren't talking out your arse or making sweeping generalizations from one hour's worth of work taken from a bajillion... (maybe even a bazillion)
If you thought everything sasha did was gold, you'd have no merit or integrity to back up any further expression of you own opinion. Like people who voted for bush the second time, you'd deserve whatever was coming to you...
sometimes for fun, I like to make lists of fun things that have coming to them
disease/infection has its own volume alone... :)
[quote=asdf_admin]8) thx M.[/quote]
Don't mention it. ever to anyone.
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[quote=miketpoto]After my first night at twilo for sasha and digweed, i ran out and bought North, and was madly dissapointed... it wasnt HARD, and Twisted/edgy... I didnt listen to it for a year.... when I did a year later I was stumped as to how I could possibly not like that Disc.... Right? I was ready for that world after a year's time... I listened to things in a very different way, and heard them as though I were hearing a foriegn language as plain english.....[/quote]
nearly the same situation with me mikey. saw s&d for the first time at a slightly known annual event called ZEN in central florida in 1997. by christmas i received both NE compilations and when i first heard them i was like, "umm, this isnt what i heard on 10 pills at 5am a few months ago. :roll: " ..eventually those cd's became the staple and epicenter of all musical ideals. at least for me. i remember some kid taking one of the cd's out of the player and throwing it at me, and i was fucking ready to go outside with this kid. he got his later, but thats another story for another thread. bottom line here is: Jib loves NE more than oxygen. i feel a Northern Exposure day coming on again soon. remember that one kids?
this has got to be one of the best threads on [mn] in a long while...
loved asdf's review... rock on
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[quote=Jibgolly]nearly the same situation with me mikey. saw s&d for the first time at a slightly known annual event called ZEN in central florida in 1997. by christmas i received both NE compilations and when i first heard them i was like, "umm, this isnt what i heard on 10 pills at 5am a few months ago. :roll: " ..eventually those cd's became the staple and epicenter of all musical ideals. at least for me. i remember some kid taking one of the cd's out of the player and throwing it at me, and i was fucking ready to go outside with this kid. he got his later, but thats another story for another thread. bottom line here is: Jib loves NE more than oxygen. i feel a Northern Exposure day coming on again soon. remember that one kids?[/quote]
Before I heard Northern Exposue I [b]HATED[/b] house music, absolutley could not stand it. Well, needless to say that is no longer the case, because of the power of S&D. :Respect:
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[quote=Jibgolly]i feel a Northern Exposure day coming on again soon. remember that one kids?[/quote]
by the standards of technology at the date of release of the NE CD's, a cd could have 74 minutes of audio.
74 minutes on a dancefloor and 74 minutes anywhere else are almost ALWAYS 2 separate and very different things. I love both of the concepts when executed properly, but i also love the fact that i am able to listen to music that moves me, but i dont HAVE to move to... meaning some sets i have heard out in clubs would not give me the option to remain seated or still if i were to hear them elsewhere or home...
by that same token, a lot of CD's, almost the entire GU series actually, I would not want to hear on a dancefloor..... but I LOVE them still, what sayeth everyone, what distinguishes the differences between the two for everyone?
anyone disagree? I'm sure someone can't wait to challenge my philoso-dance-theory.
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[quote=evangelion] Before I heard Northern Exposue I [b]HATED[/b] house music, absolutley could not stand it. Well, needless to say that is no longer the case, because of the power of S&D. :Respect:[/quote]
how do you feel about the power of the nine volt battery? how about the power of licking a 9 volt battery?
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[quote=miketpoto]74 minutes on a dancefloor and 74 minutes anywhere else are almost ALWAYS 2 separate and very different things.[/quote]
i agree with your philso-dance-economical-ophy. :lol: i certainly wouldnt enjoy hearing North on a big sound system in a sweaty club, the same way i enjoy it at home with the windows open and beer in my hand, chillin. by the same token there are a few songs throughout those cd's i would KILL to hear on a phazon system. 'wavespeech' being #1.
ne1&2 = mix compilation bible imo
I can't believe another Sasha thread made it to 10 pages
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you're the one that pushed it that far.
+1
here another of my two cents. :lol:
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I'm not Mr. #1 Sasha Fan but, man Fundacion is very well done and had everything youwant from house was in it.
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Has Hamrechghct stopped dribbling now? somebody must've put the dummy back in his gob... :D
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Has everyone finished blowing everyone else??
I was disapointed when Fundacion finished, i though it was a good first hour but where the fuck is next 3 hours of music? Do you have to turn the disk over?
It is wrong to judge the disk by each track alone, the Cd is more than the sum of it;s parts. The track selection I though was good,. but predictable, and that is judging from Orlando and Fabric sets i've heard. The mixing was good, but it doesn;t really showcase what I like about ableton and not what thingey should be about.
Overall, good. I think you'd get the CD more if you had seen Sasha recently.
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[quote=Morgan]Has everyone finished blowing everyone else??[/quote]
I didn't know they had started??? But if you insist...
everyone else --->:Suck:<---everyone
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[quote="Jibgolly"][quote=miketpoto] there are a few songs throughout those cd's i would KILL to hear on a phazon system. 'wavespeech' being #1.
ne1&2 = mix compilation bible imo[/quote]
Junior used to play wavespeech all the time on saturdays at twilo... angry song that gives me goosebumps just thinking about it :)
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[quote=evangelion][quote=Morgan]Has everyone finished blowing everyone else??[/quote]
I didn't know they had started??? But if you insist...
everyone else --->:Suck:<---everyone[/quote]
Thank you so much for the lovely BJ, I appreciate that!
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[quote=miketpoto][quote=evangelion] Before I heard Northern Exposue I [b]HATED[/b] house music, absolutley could not stand it. Well, needless to say that is no longer the case, because of the power of S&D. :Respect:[/quote]
how do you feel about the power of the nine volt battery? how about the power of licking a 9 volt battery?[/quote]
I'm sure if I think about this hard enough it will make sense. But I won't, so it doesn't.
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[quote="evangelion]
I'm sure if I think about this hard enough it will make sense. But I won't, so it doesn't.[/quote]
good idea
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oops
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i like it more than involver...sasha still needs to hire someone to name his albums for him
hopefully he will bring the goodies to axis next week, if not...who cares! paolo mojo is playing too :lol:
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[quote=tiddles]i like it more than involver...sasha still needs to hire someone to name his albums for him
hopefully he will bring the goodies to axis next week, if not...who cares! paolo mojo is playing too :lol:[/quote]
Paolo played a blinder warming up in fabric. Your in for a treat!
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[quote=asdf_admin]...a very horrendous crash into [b]Phonique - 99 And A Hal[/b], which really should be reduced to a 10 second track, but yet it drags over 2 minutes, closer to 3. No love for this track.[/quote]
I couldn't agree more. I like this track, but it totally doesn't fit. I think the rest of the mix is pretty fun; it will not be as enduring as Involver, though.
It does capture the essence of Crobar effectively- I just wish it was longer!
^^^ a triple cd would be really damn cool. :D
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I saw the title of this thread and just started laughing. I'm sorry, BUT HAVE YOU HEARD FUNDACION? I get so tired of all these judgements from so called "music lovers".
I absolutely love the CD. I think Sasha has made an incredible turn around in the last few years and I can't be happier for him and for my blessed ears that get to listen to his wizardry. And by the way, going forward without the decks in such a public manner takes balls and I'm glad someone did it with such bravery.
LET THE FUTURE OF ELECTRONIC MUSIC BEGIN!!!!
Totally changed my opinion of this CD. Fooking rocks, even though it is far too short.
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I love Sasha, always been my favorite live and with studio compilations. But this, ....this is not good. - We love ya Sasha, but where did the shitty vocals and lack of energy come from? I'm sure his next album will be great, he's one of the best we've got and no one should turn their back on him because of this, even though the consensus here leans toward the negative.
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[quote=michaelbirney]I love Sasha, always been my favorite live and with studio compilations. But this, ....this is not good. - We love ya Sasha, but where did the shitty vocals and lack of energy come from? I'm sure his next album will be great, he's one of the best we've got and no one should turn their back on him because of this, even though the consensus here leans toward the negative.[/quote]
You and your people are a pain in my ass.... opinion's aside, shitty vocals is just plain retarded dumbfuck babble.... i'm afraid it's official... you are an asshole, the asshole that broke this faggot's back and unfortunately you have to hear about it in this public forum....
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[quote=miketpoto][quote=michaelbirney]I love Sasha, always been my favorite live and with studio compilations. But this, ....this is not good. - We love ya Sasha, but where did the shitty vocals and lack of energy come from? I'm sure his next album will be great, he's one of the best we've got and no one should turn their back on him because of this, even though the consensus here leans toward the negative.[/quote]
You and your people are a pain in my ass.... opinion's aside, shitty vocals is just plain retarded dumbfuck babble.... i'm afraid it's official... you are an asshole, the asshole that broke this faggot's back and unfortunately you have to hear about it in this public forum....
consensus..... ? WTF? LOL..... I mean really[/quote]
You are right about the consensus, I concede that. I should have been more specific and said it was a consensus among many of my friends in the scene, including many who are members here. But what are you talking about?---so let me get this straight, you have no discretion whatsoever when it comes to vocals? There are good vocals and bad vocals, just as there are good songs and bad songs. Simple enough. ....So if Sasha spun a new Kathy Lee Gifford remix, there's NO WAY it could be a shitty vocal and you're saying you would rock out to it?!?!?! I would leave if I heard someone playing something that myself and others felt was in bad taste. Instead of articulating yourself and presently a logical argument, you call me a retarded dumbfuck....WOW ...are you educated? Obviously not.
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[quote=michaelbirney] You are right about the consensus, I concede that. I should have been more specific and said it was a consensus among many of my friends in the scene, including many who are members here. But what are you talking about?---so let me get this straight, you have no discretion whatsoever when it comes to vocals? There are good vocals and bad vocals, just as there are good songs and bad songs. Simple enough. ....So if Sasha spun a new Kathy Lee Gifford remix, there's NO WAY it could be a shitty vocal and you're saying you would rock out to it?!?!?! I would leave if I heard someone playing something that myself and others felt was in bad taste. Instead of articulating yourself and presently a logical argument, you call me a retarded dumbfuck....WOW ...are you educated? Obviously not.[/quote]
acttually, i am trailer trash, you got me there.... kathy lee this album aint, I am curious as to what bad vocals you are referring to? low energy i can see perhaps, but i was at fundacion all the time, so if I wanted to dance i did it there.... i preferr a little tone-down at home sometimes, but thats personal preference... And I was a music major in "college", so I know all about vocals and keys and all that good stuff.... is it genre you have a beef with? I want to know, what you're thinking,won't you tell me what is on your mind? bad taste?? like stripes and prints together? or like pleated khakis?
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what "shitty vocals" are you referring to Michael? surely not the Beanfield track? a quality vocal if ever i heard one.....
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[quote=miketpoto][quote=michaelbirney] You are right about the consensus, I concede that. I should have been more specific and said it was a consensus among many of my friends in the scene, including many who are members here. But what are you talking about?---so let me get this straight, you have no discretion whatsoever when it comes to vocals? There are good vocals and bad vocals, just as there are good songs and bad songs. Simple enough. ....So if Sasha spun a new Kathy Lee Gifford remix, there's NO WAY it could be a shitty vocal and you're saying you would rock out to it?!?!?! I would leave if I heard someone playing something that myself and others felt was in bad taste. Instead of articulating yourself and presently a logical argument, you call me a retarded dumbfuck....WOW ...are you educated? Obviously not.[/quote]
acttually, i am trailer trash, you got me there.... kathy lee this album aint, I am curious as to what bad vocals you are referring to? low energy i can see perhaps, but i was at fundacion all the time, so if I wanted to dance i did it there.... i preferr a little tone-down at home sometimes, but thats personal preference... And I was a music major in "college", so I know all about vocals and keys and all that good stuff.... is it genre you have a beef with? I want to know, what you're thinking,won't you tell me what is on your mind? bad taste?? like stripes and prints together? or like pleated khakis?[/quote]
With the vocals, I'm only referring to the Fundacion cd. My buddies who live in NY are even pickier than I am about vocals and they loved his live sets at Crobar. Personally, I really enjoy the 'Holden & Thompson-Come to Me' track(s) on his cd, but I haven't listened to the album enough yet to specifically pick out the vocal tracks I didn't like. I only remember fast-forwarding through a couple of tracks the moment I heard the vocals drop that I disagreed with. --I also definitely prefer a little tone-down at home as well, as Involver might have been closer to this; closer to a 'less' dance based artist album. However, I thought the Fundacion album would have had much more energy, been more relentless, with more throbbing basslines etc; more remnisent of his recent sets at Crobar throughout the Fundacion residency. -----Oddly enough, I felt his sound was much more aggressive at his Involver Release Party at Crobar last year (which I flew in to see)--a set where I was expecting something much closer to the style of Involver; --although he did start the show with 'The Youngsters - Smile', ultimately I felt the set was more aggressive, more 'Sasha' (do u agree or not, as I will assume u caught this show as well?) -------Also, I most certainly do not have a problem with his genre as he has been my hands down #1 favorite dj for years now, although I felt he strayed a bit with this album, playing tracks that didn't fit into 'my perceived style' -- of his unique sound that he has developed throughout the years, which carried on from his Global Underground compilations, to his live sets, and even to Involver which was definitely a change of pace which I loved, but still kept that Sasha sound. --It's just that since I started spinning 5 years ago, and producing in the last year, I have become one picky bastard, I've gotta be honest with you. I just think that there is an overabundance of progressive tracks today with discoesqe or just simply mediocre vocals that I don't relate with Sasha's sound, nor do I enjoy (Deep Dish-esque vocals). In my sets, I try not to overuse vocals so when they are used, I use the best ones I can find and I feel they have a much greater impact when dropped (assuming a proper build up to the track)----not that I'm some star dj, but I have confidence in my abilities, and thats just the way I have come to see it. ----Sorry to be so long winded, but I'm not trying to create any enemies here, I just love to discuss this music, (as it truly is my life), with other like minded people like yourself, who are as passonate about the music as I am, even with dissenting opinions. I'd love to know what you think about all this, so drop me a line if you get a chance. --Oh, and on a side note, I love the quote about the pleated khaki's--well put (lol). Best regards, Michael Sean Birney
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please re-listen to the cd 2 times and then revisit your vocal assesment.... its different for sasha, yes, but its yummy.... its a vibe i cant quite put into words, but that makes sense sort of right? anyway...pleated khakis are fucking so upsetting..... i cant tell you.....
my link to my sets is under my poists, go listen, and I would like to hear yours ASAP, umkay?