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NASA: Voyager I enters solar system's final frontier

105 durable postsStarted 2005-05-25Latest 2005-05-29
#15313Post 1 of 105

The Voyager I spacecraft has moved into the solar system's final frontier, a vast area where the sun's influence gives way to interstellar space, NASA's Web site reports.

"Voyager has entered the final lap on its race to the edge of interstellar space, as it begins exploring the solar system's final frontier," said Edward Stone, Voyager project scientist at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, in a statement on the Web site Tuesday. At 8.7 billion miles from the sun, Voyager I has entered the heliosheath, a region beyond termination shock -- the critical boundary that marks the transition from the solar system into interstellar space.

Contrary to popular belief, space is not an empty void. Rather, the solar system is awash in solar wind, charged gases that flow off the sun at supersonic speed. The wind travels at an average speed ranging from 300 to 700 kilometers per second (700,000 to 1.5 million mph). At the termination shock boundary, the solar wind dissipates and begins to give way to the interstellar medium -- the gases that float in the void between stars.

Instruments aboard Voyager I able to measure the solar wind's speed suggest the probe "has passed through the termination shock into the slower, denser wind beyond," NASA's Web site says. "Voyager's observations over the past few years show that the termination shock is far more complicated than anyone thought," said a statement from Eric Christian, discipline scientist for NASA's Sun-Solar System Connection research program in Washington.

Beyond the heliosheath lies the heliopause -- the boundary where the pressure of the solar wind and interstellar wind are in balance. Once Voyager I passes through the heliopause, it will be in interstellar space.

Voyager I and its sister ship, Voyager II, were launched in 1977 on a mission to explore the solar system. Voyager I passed Jupiter in March 1979 and Saturn in November 1980. In 1998, it became the most distant man-made object from Earth. Voyager II, which observed Uranus and Neptune, is 6.5 billion miles from the sun, heading in the opposite direction of Voyager I and at a slightly slower speed.

The Voyager probes were equipped with three radioisotope thermoelectric generators to produce electrical power for the spacecraft systems and instruments. Barring hardware failure, Voyager I and II boast enough power and communications capability to keep radioing back to Earth until 2020, NASA says.


I'm curious to know how long it takes for the signal to travel from the ship to Earth.

#423510Post 2 of 105

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if no one has ever been outside of the solar system, how the hell do they know what is out there? and what they are called?

#423512Post 3 of 105

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[quote=unome]if no one has ever been outside of the solar system, how the hell do they know what is out there? and what they are called?[/quote] Welcome to the world of astrophysics, quantumphysics, and quantum mechanics.

#423515Post 4 of 105

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Maybe it'll fly right in god's arse...?

#423526Post 5 of 105

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[quote=skahound]I'm curious to know how long it takes for the signal to travel from the ship to Earth.[/quote]

About 13 hours

#423531Post 6 of 105

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[quote=sammwalk][quote=skahound]I'm curious to know how long it takes for the signal to travel from the ship to Earth.[/quote]

About 13 hours[/quote] Are you being serious? At 8.7 billion miles? Is it just a standard radio wave?

#423546Post 7 of 105

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Voyager 1 is the most distant human-made object in the universe, At the beginning of 2005, the spacecraft was about 94 times as far from the Sun as is Earth. It was deflected northward above the plane of the planets' orbits when it swung by Saturn in 1980 and is now speeding outward from the Sun at nearly one million miles per day, a rate that would take it from Los Angeles to New York in less than four minutes. Long-lived nuclear batteries are expected to provide electrical power until at least 2020 when Voyager 1 will be more than 13 billion miles from Earth and may have reached interstellar space.

#423557Post 8 of 105

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which way's north in space?

also, those trekkies need to get over that "final froniter" crap. It's unmapped space, don't make it sound like something it's not.

#423566Post 9 of 105

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north is up

:CrackUp:

#423597Post 10 of 105

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[quote=picklemonkey]also, those trekkies need to get over that "final froniter" crap. It's unmapped space, don't make it sound like something it's not.[/quote]

exactly what I thought, I don't think there's anything special or different there. Also I wonder what measurement technologies were available in '77... what info the voyagers can pass on to earth? they're a bit outdated now.

#423601Post 11 of 105

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[quote=ubiqe] Also I wonder what measurement technologies were available in '77... what info the voyagers can pass on to earth? they're a bit outdated now.[/quote] From what I've read, for the distances that these ships will travel and the mediums that they are studying, the measurement technologies are the same as they've been for some time now (relative of course, no pun intended). Taking solar wind speed measurements, temperature measurements, density, etc. is roughly the same today as it was 30 years ago. The true advancements have been in quantum theory.

#423610Post 12 of 105

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[img]http://www.rpi.edu/~eglash/eglash.dir/ethnic.dir/nerds.dir/urkel.jpg[/img]

way to go urkle

#423638Post 13 of 105

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[quote=unome]if no one has ever been outside of the solar system, how the hell do they know what is out there? and what they are called?[/quote]

well they've photographed a bulk of what lies beyond our solar system and a bulk of the neighbouring solar systems and galaxies thanks to hubble, so it not all a mystey, what remains a mystery is the stuff they haven't been able to see (not only via hubble / xray telescopes) but have been able to predict the existence of based on the existence of other objects that have been proven....

thats when all the quantum physics and other fun stuff comes into play

-e-

#423642Post 14 of 105

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all this is very intriguing.. the unknown and what not.

but how do we really know this is true? i mean, man has never really been to the moon, every one knows that. so how are we to believe this Voyager is really as far out as it is?

#423644Post 15 of 105

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[quote=unome]all this is very intriguing.. the unknown and what not.

but how do we really know this is true? i mean, man has never really been to the moon, every one knows that. so how are we to believe this Voyager is really as far out as it is?[/quote]

there are 2 approaches to proving something (esp with space exploration)

A) Maths B) Get over there (with your eyes via telescopes or in person)

Mathematically you can travel faster than light by several means, realistically its a different story. Similarly you can prove / disprove the existence / non existence of several things in space but without having actually gone there, its still hypothetical and subjective.

But if we have gone there (taking Voyagers example), its all a matter of "Do you believe in the governmnt ? The truth it out there...." type of scenario.... at this stage, I dont see any reason for NASA to say "HUSSHHH Dont say nothing yet" since they havent found anything truly significant.

-e-

#423650Post 16 of 105

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f-ing reality, always gets in the way! lol

I agree mate, I was just playing devils advocate. I'd like to believe it all. regardless very intriguing. Would be nice to find out somethng significant in my lifetime, ya know...

#423659Post 17 of 105

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please feel free to play devils advocate, because Science has made me rethink a lot of my beliefs in religion and God, it helps me think harder into "what is what isnt". Just like you bro, I would LOVE to see / learn of something super spectacular before my time is up..... although I sincerely doubt that Voyager will be the one to reveal it, am more intrigued to see what they find in the icey waters below Saturns cracked and frozen moon "TITAN"

-e-

#423672Post 18 of 105

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Considering one light year is 5,865,696,000,000 miles and there is numerous directions we can travel and that the other day they discovered a planent 15000 light years away, me thinks there is a lot of exploration left to do...

What I find surreal and pretty cool also is that looking into space is like looking back in time...

Say your looking at a star thats a hundered light years away. That means your actually looking at the star as it was 100 years ago, it mighn't even exist anymore! I've the opposite philosophy in that the more I see and the more I see we don't understand the more I believe there is a God.

#423676Post 19 of 105

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[quote=unome]i mean, man has never really been to the moon, every one knows that.[/quote] huh?

#423680Post 20 of 105

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like I said in another post (not sure if it was on this version of MN/MS), I'm leaning towards the belief that God is probably a super human race of living beings that have been in existence for nearly the same age as the universe (give or take a billion years for the cooling period of the big bang).... that is still 9 billion years older than the earth, let alone how long there has been life on earth and moveover intelligent life on earth.... hence this race of living beings has acquired the knowledge to perform GOD LIKE abilities..... how ??

if in the last 30 years we could have accelerated our growth / knowledge / abilities thanks to the uncountable technological developments, imagine where we'd be in a 1000 years, 10,000 years, a million years.... moving mountains, creating clouds, changing atmospheres, creating lives, etc. etc. is just a wink of an eye at that stage...

additionally, since this race of humans has learnt everything from the technological aspect of things, they are fully aware of the psychological realities of humans and to avoid mass hysteria on earth - by not having ONE leader (GOD) when in reality GOD is this entire race of beings, they came up with the idea of having God appearing different to different cultures, but still one God.....

so if true, how does that really affect us all, in our beliefs, our religions, allah, jesus, vishnu...... are they the portrayal of another race of beings to keep chaos under control ?

[/rambling early thursday]

#423690Post 21 of 105

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^^^ i actually remember that post. i think it was when someone posted a thread about this blokes irc chats... someone help

#423693Post 22 of 105

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yes..... John something from the future..... well as it turns out.... that was a hoax cause he predicted that CERN would discover something LIFE ALTERING in 2004 with regards to time travel and that didn't happen so yea that was BS.....

and that was on MS V1.0 so we defo wont find that post in here.... I think Palmer's the one who started it all..... :lol:

#423702Post 23 of 105

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[img]http://www.zentropolis.com/log_images_2004/churchsign.jpg[/img]

:WTF:

#423714Post 24 of 105

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it only looks like chaos to us for we do not see the pattern......

#423716Post 25 of 105

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spirals mate..... its all in the spirals :wink:

#423720Post 26 of 105

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:lol: shh don't tell anyone!

#423721Post 27 of 105

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but I would love to see what they find on saturn's moon, and if voyager actually reaches the boundaries beyond solar system only to bump into a gargantuan LCD screen thats been fooling hubble with images of deep space.... :ROFLMAO:

#423722Post 28 of 105

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or actually arrive back at earth in 1977 and suddenly everyone remembers it happening just as the Voyager had departed but no one could explain it..... :!:

#423726Post 29 of 105

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[quote=Encryption]what remains a mystery is the stuff they haven't been able to see (not only via hubble / xray telescopes) but have been able to predict the existence of based on the existence of other objects that have been proven....

thats when all the quantum physics and other fun stuff comes into play

-e-[/quote] I believe it's string theory that states that there are 23 (correct me if I'm wrong) different dimensions and M-theory states 12 (again correct me if I'm wrong). Something like that. And we've only explored 4 right (with time being the 4th)?

#423733Post 30 of 105

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yea super string theory basically states that the direction of vibration of the strings that make up atom determine the physical composition of that object (solid / liquid / gaseous etc.)

but its all very blurry how it really ties in to on another

-e-

#423736Post 31 of 105

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[quote=Encryption]yea super string theory basically states that the direction of vibration of the strings that make up atom determine the physical composition of that object (solid / liquid / gaseous etc.)

but its all very blurry how it really ties in to on another

-e-[/quote] Creepy. I'm pissing my pants in anticipation of the next "big" breakthrough. I smell something HUGE looming on the horizon.

#423737Post 32 of 105

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I WANNA SEE A FUCKING LITTLE GREEN MAN :abducted:

#423738Post 33 of 105

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[quote=skahound][quote=Encryption]yea super string theory basically states that the direction of vibration of the strings that make up atom determine the physical composition of that object (solid / liquid / gaseous etc.)

but its all very blurry how it really ties in to on another

-e-[/quote] Creepy. [b]I'm pissing my pants in anticipation [/b]of the next "big" breakthrough. I smell something HUGE looming on the horizon.[/quote]

ok Miles, relax

#423750Post 34 of 105

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I just want to be able to go back in time.

sort out a few stupid mistakes I made.

If you could go back, what is one thing you would do differently that you know altered where you are? Not saying you are unhappy where you are, but for shits and giggles, to see what would be different.

this may be a new thread in and of itself...

#426544Post 35 of 105

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[quote=unome]If you could go back, what is one thing you would do differently that you know altered where you are? Not saying you are unhappy where you are, but for shits and giggles, to see what would be different.[/quote] Obviously changing one tiny little thing would drastically alter what I am today, but I would've taken college seriously the first time around. I could be graduating in December with my PhD, instead I'm just now getting my Bachelor's. Oh well. :not me:

#426559Post 36 of 105

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I'd have done my book report in Phsychology my freshman year of college instead of going to my first rave, which would have let me keep my A instead of bumping my final grade to a D, which would have bumped me up from salutatorian.

I guess it wasn't a big deal :lol:

#426566Post 37 of 105

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[quote=Encryption]but I would love to see what they find on saturn's moon, and if voyager actually reaches the boundaries beyond solar system only to bump into a gargantuan LCD screen thats been fooling hubble with images of deep space.... :ROFLMAO:[/quote] The Truman Show?

#426567Post 38 of 105

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more or less

#426673Post 39 of 105

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[quote=picklemonkey][quote=unome]i mean, man has never really been to the moon, every one knows that.[/quote] huh?[/quote]

Conspiracy theory...I don't buy it. :roll: And I certainly wouldn't go as far as to say "Everyone knows it."

This kinda stuff has fascinated me for a long as I've been alive. I remember reading my Dad's college astronomy books as a kid a just thinking that I would so rather be [b]out there[/b] than here. The very fact that Voyager is still operational is a miracle in itself. 30 years out there in the void and still going strong??!! These sheer randomness and chaos of space says it should have been blasted by a comet or meteor by now. If it is still functioning in 2020 like they say it will be, who knows what it might find along the way??!!! The very thought of it makes me so glad to live in this age, where feats such as this are not only probable, but possible. And down here on Earth we waste our time with wars and "Runaway Brides" and American Idol...it all seems so...unneccesary.

[/philosophical mode]

This subject sure does bring it out of us, huh?? 8)

#426689Post 40 of 105

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[quote=picklemonkey][quote=unome]i mean, man has never really been to the moon, every one knows that.[/quote] huh?[/quote]

There was a funny research on how we learn the things that 'everyone knows'... They asked two groups of school kids (in australia I think) what was the earth, sun and moon like. The first group were kids that were not yet learning any biological/physical stuff - I think about 5 years old. The others already knew the thories. And of course their answer differed - the younger said stories about how sun rises from the earth horizon and so on. The older new the earth was round and that it went along an orbit around the sun and that this gave the impression that it's sun that is travelling around the earth. So they were sort of knowing what the adults know. But when they were asked to draw the earth all of the kids drew a flat piece of land with people standing on top... They simply didn't believe that the earth was really a sphere... :lol:

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