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[quote]13kickdrums[/quote]

thank you.

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[quote=13kickdrums]for those who have done E its actually pretty easy to understand what your brain will be like should you have an ongoing and continual cycle of usage.

as you age your brain will work more and more like it does the day after you party. you know..cant think straight...kind of down...overall malaise. all because youre spent.

dont let any quack studies debunk what your common sense tells you: you will pay for it one day if youre not already.

i read somewhere that salvador dali said everyone should do drugs 5 times. i couldnt agree more. i personally think the folks who completely abstain miss out, however, once you know what its about the more you do it the more you rot and generally play with fire.

know why E makes you vomit? because your body is flipping out and wants whatever is in it OUT. thats a fairly severe reaction for the body, should tell you the severity of whats going on.

i party once every two years..maybe. went down to the WMC in march and partied at diggers/pawn shop tuesday night. did 2. woke up the next day,wed., felt fine and went to a few seminars. come 5pm i had to sit down and within an hour i couldnt move. luckily i made it to the car and back to the hotel parking lot where i had my friend call the paramedics. vitals and blood sugar were fine but i really thought i was going to die. no shit. my heart was going crazy and the doctors said its not uncommon to see people come in and die of heart attacks. i was honest and made my friend tell them i partied the night before.

moral is..just because you think you drink water, keep salt and potassium levels decent and arent over-heating doesnt mean youre not at risk. miami beach emergency room has seen it all and they were rather non-chalant about what a dumbass i was and how often they see the heart attacks and people dying from E. im a healthy male and that scared the snot out of me.

hope its useful[/quote]

panic attacks suck ... so are you going to ever take a pill again?

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[quote]I also read somwhere that 1 hour of therapy on MDMA is equal to 4 years without. That's not useful??[/quote]

That is true.

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thanks for clarifying my post with the erowid links.

ecstasy changed my lfe in so many incrediby powerful ways:

It taught me how to connect with my peers and dealt with social anxiety. It helped me talk to my father and forgive him. It helped me accept myself. It helped me realize that it was time for me to stop dating losers. It helped me to grow up.

I haven't eaten a pill in a really long time, but I remain profoundly grateful for the experiences I had with the drug. I'm not naive about how it can affect other people (w/most of the negative effects coming from doing adulterated pills or eating huge doses or thinking that just because you can handle ecstasy you can handle other, harder drugs). Anytime you do a drug, you should treat it, and yourself, with respect. That's why so many young kids that do drugs go off the deep end.

Carlos Castineda said that there's an ally in every drug -- I've learned lessons about myself from every drug I've tried. Maybe that's why psychonauts don't usually become addicted to things ... because of the reasons they take drugs and the analysis that they indulge in afterwards.

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^^^ sounds to me like you grew up... don't give ecstacy so much credit. Yes it is a powerful drug but don't you think you might have just grown up a little??

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[quote=runningman]^^^ sounds to me like you grew up... don't give ecstacy so much credit. Yes it is a powerful drug but don't you think you might have just grown up a little??[/quote]

It allowed me to deal with the pain that I had to deal with ... a pain that was otherwise too scary.

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It allowed me to deal with the pain that I had to deal with ... a pain that was otherwise too scary.[/quote]

.... breakbeat?

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panic attacks suck ... so are you going to ever take a pill again?[/quote]

no, and it was not a panic attack. i hate the idea of saying NEVER but im in no way interested right now. not even close. i got alot of great things from those experiences that i dont believe i would have otherwise gotten to....especially musically. theres no debating that really.

its like driving a $400,000 sports car. yes, its amazing and unique but it can quickly turn bad. put in the hands of the irresponsible and ignorant and its a recipe for disaster. thus, society just preaches NO DRUGS. gotta be head smart and street smart to walk the line to avoid destruction, addiction, and overall misuse. to just use it for the good it can do and not an avenue to only get f-ed up. besides, not many drugs even offer a positive side other than just messing you up. its alot to handle for most.

i think that chemical brothers track 'believe' is great the first time you hear it. i also think there should be more half naked girls in the clubs..for gods sake nothin else is open at that hour. what can they all be doin anyway?

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Health Hazards

Physical and psychological symptoms. Many problems users encounter with MDMA are similar to those found with the use of amphetamines and cocaine. They are:

* Psychological difficulties, including confusion, depression, sleep problems, drug craving, severe anxiety, and paranoia during and sometimes weeks after taking MDMA (in some cases, psychotic episodes have been reported).
* Physical symptoms such as muscle tension, involuntary teeth clenching, nausea, blurred vision, rapid eye movement, faintness, and chills or sweating.
* Increases in heart rate and blood pressure, a special risk for people with circulatory or heart disease. 

Long-term effects. Recent research findings also link MDMA use to long-term damage to those parts of the brain critical to thought and memory. It is believed that the drug causes damage to the neurons that use the chemical serotonin to communicate with other neurons.

MDMA is also related in structure and effects to methamphetamine, which has been shown to cause degeneration of neurons containing the neurotransmitter dopamine. Damage to dopamine containing neurons is the underlying cause of the motor disturbances seen in Parkinson's disease. Symptoms of this disease begin with lack of coordination and tremors, and can eventually result in a form of paralysis.

[url]http://www.theantidrug.com/drug_info/drug_info_ecstasy.asp[/url]

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[url]http://www.thedea.org[/url] ---> Info Backed up by cientific researchs!

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^^^ from that given URL ... I go down half the page "Canada to test giving away heroin to addicts (2/16/05)" :lol:

i really have no comment.

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MDMA hasn't been available for research in the states. It's illegal to do so and the government won't do it. It's not hard for the DEA to say "just give us the negatives and we'll spam it to the citizens of the US," thus why the FDA has now taken testing control out of the hands of the DEA and allowed for proper research to be done in the US.

Look, bottom line is....everything done in moderation is fine.....know your limits, and if you can't, then you're a fuckhead....it's as simple as that

There are those freak incidents that do happen which make you think about what happened, but hey, for me, I don't do it that often but I don't mind doing it again if someone hands me a pill.

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it is always the choice of the user. and you are correct, things can be done "correctly" and with less risk.

when it comes to the mass population ... they are dip shits. you give them your hand and they take your whole arm.

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we call those that do things right the 95th percentile ;)

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[quote]we call those that do things right the 95th percentile ;)[/quote]

haha. :D

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[quote=asdf_admin]Long-term effects. Recent research findings also link MDMA use to long-term damage to those parts of the brain critical to thought and memory. It is believed that the drug causes damage to the neurons that use the chemical serotonin to communicate with other neurons.

[url]http://www.theantidrug.com/drug_info/drug_info_ecstasy.asp[/url][/quote]

I hate to bump this but even more hate when incorrect data is posted as fact.

Pulling information from anti drug sites typically yeilds slanted information. The long term effects you made mentioned were a result of the Ricarte studies, who was paid by the government to conduct the studies, and later retracted the findings claiming the bottles were mislabeled by the supplier. He came under pressure from the German scientists who were conducting extensive studies and could not duplicate the findings. As a matter of fact they reported the 'damage' caused was reversed by abstinance for a period of 3 months.

[quote]In another blow to early theories that human users of the drug "ecstasy" are damaging their brains, researchers working for the German government's version of the FDA have published the results of one of the largest, most sophisticated studies ever done on the brains of heavy ecstasy users in this month's Journal of Nuclear Medicine.

 The study compared the brains of three groups: 30 people who were currently using "ecstasy" and had an average lifetime usage of 827 tablets of ecstasy; 29 people who no longer used ecstasy but had in the past used an average of 793 tablets; and 29 people who had never used ecstasy.

 Using PET brain scans, the scientists measured the density of SERT, a protein that is part of serotonin neurons. If the ecstasy users had destroyed parts of their serotonin system (as some researchers have suggested), then the SERT proteins on the serotonin neurons would be missing as well.

  The results: Current heavy users of ecstasy did in fact have fewer SERT proteins than non-users. However, the difference was very small, on the order of 3-5%, and when the former heavy ecstasy users were examined, even that small difference vanished: The former user's brains were indistinguishable from the brains of people who had never used illegal drugs. The small differences seen between the brains of current heavy ecstasy users and non-drug users were apparently fully reversible upon quitting use, a trend seen repeatedly in previous research. (Visit Neurotoxicity for more information on previous studies.)

  These results were particularly interesting in that they dramatically contradict an American study done by George Ricaurte (funded by the US government) which used similar brain scan techniques and ecstasy users with a similar level of lifetime use, but which claimed to have found massive (as much as 90%) loss of SERT. This huge discrepancy is both unexplained and troubling, as Ricuarte's claims were used both to justify outlawing ecstasy in the US and as justification for sentencing increases (in some cases making a dose of ecstasy ten times more severely punished than a dose of heroin.)[/quote]

Secondly regarding long term memory, there have been no CONTROLLED studies which can prove your statement. Of one of the studies conducted, again uncontrolled (many were user subjects were using other drugs- pot etc.) proved otherwise. Of the user and non-user groups the top scores came from the group who were users. I can't find that particular study at the monent but here's something from yet another:

[quote] In research published this spring in the journal "Cognitive Brain Research" the German government-backed team of Gousoulis-Mayfrank et. al., tested the memory/cognitive performance of heavy and moderate "ecstasy" users vs. non-drug users. The results: Both groups of "ecstasy" users were as mentally sharp as the non-users. In the words of the researchers, "To our surprise, in our study, performance [in the test] revealed no statistically significant group differences[...]" The authors did however note that their tests did not rule out the possibility of impairment in other areas.

 Of interest, brain scans taken while the volunteers underwent memory testing suggested small differences in how the "ecstasy" users were using their brains compared to the non-users, leading the authors to speculate that they may be using "different cognitive strategies." These differences did not correspond to the amount of "ecstasy" individuals had used and may reflect underlying demographic differences between people who seek out psychoactive drugs and those that do not. Journal ref: Cognitive Brain Research vol 16 (2003) pgs. 479-489.[/quote]

As someone already mentioned, thedea.org is a great site for information. The stuff stated as fact has studies backing it. The owner of the site is also a moderator over at dancesafe.org. The link you provided is only more government propoganda. Here's a question you should ask yourself- if the government claims that it puts holes in your brain, causes Parkinsons, causes irreversable damage why is another branch of the government (FDA) approving studies on it (last I counted it was at 2)?

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Thank's for the info.

And yeah, that is true. If it has already been proven that it does all of those things, why reaserch it any further. And why would some scientists be lobbying to have it used for therapy purposes. Doctor's would knowing give their patients something that burned holes in the brain???

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[quote=Jenks]jeez. at no point did i ever get mad here you silly canadian.

so some inventor got taken advantage of, shit happens. people and industry get taken advantage of on a daily basis, that doesn't mean you can pigeon hole the entire field of SCIENCE as BUSINESS. I think we're talking about two different things here.[/quote]

Jenks it happens everyday. THis is only one scenario. I just hope my invention isn't too big or they will suppress it as well like the others.

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Moderation people , moderation , besides some people are dead even though they claim to live the boring lifestyles they lead . I am going for broke , live life for what its worth , besides you don't live forever. :Blazed:

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[quote=BeachBum]Moderation people , moderation , besides some people are dead even though they claim to live the boring lifestyles they lead . I am going for broke , live life for what its worth , besides you don't live forever. :Blazed:[/quote]

I plan to live forever! Muhahahahahahha

oh and go here [url]http://www.dancesafe.org[/url] great info site.

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pill me up, bitch

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:roll: drugie.

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I submit drugs to the FDA for a living and I think there are some inaccuracies about a number of things said in this longgggg string.

1. FDA's job is review data from a drug company to determine if the drug is safe and effective. Thats it.

Safe & effective is subjective. If a drug can help a small portion of a population with a rare disease with an effectiveness of say.. helping 2 of 10 of those patient the drug can be approved if the data supports it. "Helping" a patient is also subjective in some cases it just comes down to Quality of Life (QOL).

2. The DEA & FDA work together to classify drugs.The adminstration in the white house helps to determine which drugs they want to be classified or re-classified. Did u know that pot is classified as IV just like amphetamines and mushrooms? Does that seem right? Not to me, but i suspect a number of large drug companies lobbied to get pot classified that way so the drug companies could keep some people on expensive drugs instead of people growing an herb in their yard for free.

3. Do not expect the FDA or the government to protect you. I find it amazing that Ritalin and Adderall are readily available to young children with ADD (a disease I don't fully believe exists at all). If you didnt know Adderall is a mix of 4 amphetamine salts. Ritalin is methylphenidate, which is a amphetamine deriviative. Do I think the government is protecting these children from what can turn out to be a life addiction to drugs? NO. Did the drug companies prove that for a small percentage of children the drug is safe and effective, YES.

So the long & short- the FDA's job is not as a policing agency. Companies can submit proposals (Investigational New Drug -INDS) for anything, including MDMA and GHB. The FDA's job is to determine if there data to support a claim.

GHB is sold legally in the US as Xyrem for patients with narcolepsy. It was submitted as orphan drug, commissioned by the FDA. An orphan drug is a classification which allows a drug company to speed thru the approval process because the drug is useful to a very small population.

There are and have been legal FDA approved studies in Eurpose on MDMA for PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder). There will be studies done with MDMA very soon for the military. In this case, the government is quietly requesting research be done cause of how many GI's that are coming home scarred from war.

Regarding holes in the brain from MDMA. I have no idea if thats truth or just bullshit. Just for reference though- Doctors can tell if a patient has been taking Ibuprofen for a few weeks straight cause they show early signs of stomach ulcers. Hey its legal so it must be safe!

In the end, I think that each person should do their own research on any drug they take legal or illegal. Know that the current adminstration did take a very hard stance on MDMA but in the last year the campaign against the drug has all together stopped. I wonder why?

Oh' lastly- at one time in the US history cocaine was used daily, like sugar and flour for all kinds of ailments.

Moderation and education- just cause u read it on the internet doesnt make it truth.

If u made it to the end congratulations, clearly u don't have ADD :)

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Does anyone remember that hour long "shocking news report" on Dateline or CNN about a year (or so) ago? It was a special segment shown primetime, which basically covered this entire thread (minus asdf's episode). I want to say it was Tom Brokaw or some famous reporter that hosted the show. Anyway, a news reporter risked his jobbie disputing the DEA's attitude/data on ecstasy use. Remember what happened to Dan Rather for falsifying information?

A scientist, on this segment, disputed the government's research and said that he couldn't find any long-term affects of MDMA use. He also said the lost serotonin levels will replenish with time.

I don't know what to believe anymore. I know the government had the initiative to ban ecstasy because, well, they weren't making any money from it. This is just the US gov't I'm talking about here. Can anyone tell me why other countries made it illegal?

I just don?t know what to believe anymore.

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[quote=being clever]Does anyone remember that hour long "shocking news report" on Dateline or CNN about a year (or so) ago? It was a special segment shown primetime, which basically covered this entire thread (minus asdf's episode). I want to say it was Tom Brokaw or some famous reporter that hosted the show. Anyway, a news reporter risked his jobbie disputing the DEA's attitude/data on ecstasy use. Remember what happened to Dan Rather for falsifying information?[/quote] Peter Jennings. I have the video if you want it.

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[quote]minus asdf's episode[/quote]

leave me out of this. :lol:

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exactly...it was peter jennings.

if my brain still works i believe the overall impact of the special was that although the information spewed to the public contains distortions, no one knows for sure the impact that MDMA(plus the fillers..) has on our brains for the long haul.

i was cheering at the TV that night because it did throw stones at the typical MDMA propaganda.

however, if youve never done E then you NEED special reports, investigations, and studies.

for the rest of you, you know what the hell its gonna do long term...unless youre already brain dead from it you know what youre in for.

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I quitted e. I will start to use them again

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no no NOOOO...

the cia made ecstacy. they also made cancer. and aids too.

its all a conspiracy. :twisted:

REALLY.