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Windows 7: Mojave My Ass

90 durable postsStarted 2009-01-07Latest 2010-04-09
#64368Post 1 of 90

[B][B][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Just found this online and thought some of you might find this interesting.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/B]

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[B]January 1st, 2009 [/B]

[B][URL="http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=9360"]Windows 7: Mojave My Ass[/URL][/B]

Posted by Jason Perlow @ 9:02 am

I’ve been playing with the Windows 7 Build 7000 (Beta 1) for several days now, and I’ve come to the conclusion that like Vista, it’s not a major improvement over what most users are currently experiencing with Windows XP, and is at best [B]only a slight improvement over Vista SP1[/B]. In a number of cases, I think they’ve gone even further down the user rejection hole. While I agree with fellow columnist Adrian Kingsley-Hughes [URL="http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=3222"][B]that the Beta 1 release is relatively stable[/B][/URL], and they’ve done a number of things to improve performance (although on more powerful systems these changes are less noticeable) and have alleviated some issues which have caused much frustration with Vista (such as the default UAC behavior) I find that Microsoft has introduced a number of changes that will frustrate many users. [CENTER][B]Also See:[/B] [URL="http://content.zdnet.com/2346-17924_22-257162.html"][B]Windows XP to Windows 7 User Interface Transition Gallery [/B][/URL][/CENTER] I find it difficult to believe that Windows 7 was created to be easier to use than Vista — if anything, they’ve introduced a number of UI changes that make the system much harder to navigate, particularly if you’ve never used Vista and are going direct to Windows 7 from Windows XP, which is the path that many users will experience. [B]Click on the “Read the rest of this entry” link below for more. [/B] The Start Menu in Windows 7 will be an area of much consternation for veteran Windows XP users. Overall, the Windows 7 Start Menu is not a major change from the Vista SP1 Start Menu, so existing Vista users will not have much to complain about. However, [B]Microsoft has now completely removed the ability to have a “Classic” Start Menu[/B], which will anger many veteran Windows users that have been using the system that way since at least 1999 when Windows 2000 was released, and some of us since Windows 95. To make matters even worse, the “[B]Run[/B]” option is no longer directly accessible from the Start Menu as a default behavior, you have to get to it via a Search. Once you get to [B]Run[/B] via Search, you can click on it to execute any commands you like, such as the [B]CMD.EXE[/B] prompt, and you can drag it onto the Desktop, but you can’t drag it onto the new Taskbar, like you can do with any add-on program, such as Firefox. You can turn the [B]Run[/B] command on after the fact in the Start Menu options, but that in and of itself is extremely annoying, it’s as if Microsoft has gone out of its way to make power users lives more difficult. ([B]EDIT:[/B] The lack of a [B]Run[/B] appearing by default appears to be a hold-over from Vista — in other words, MS still isn’t learning from its mistakes.) [CENTER][B]Also See:[/B] [URL="http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=630"][B]My colleague Ed Bott’s response to this article. [/B][/URL][/CENTER] Another thing that greatly frustrated me was the fact that a fresh install of Windows 7 gives the end-user a blank slate on the Desktop, removing the familiar “[B]Computer[/B]“, “[B]Network[/B]“, “[B]Control Panel[/B]” and “[B]My Documents[/B]” icons, requiring users to get to those functions and folders via the Start Menu . I haven’t tried doing an upgrade install over an existing SP1 or XP system, but I’d like to hope that the existing icons on a user’s desktop are preserved and aren’t wiped out. You can get the regular navigation icons back, but it’s a manual step — and it’s not intuitive how to do it, since they changed the naming conventions from XP. ([B]EDIT:[/B] While the “clean slate” look has been present in fresh Windows installs since XP, virtually all OEM configurations/system restore disks have the icons already enabled). [B]As a general theme, Microsoft seems to have made changes for the sake of change[/B], which was the case with Vista and is even more apparent with Windows 7, once you start digging into the OS dialogs and UI in depth. It should also be noted that the current prerelease build [B]Windows Server 2008 R2[/B] (aka Windows Server 7) also includes many of these UI changes, but I’m more willing to accept them on Server because the OS is far less cluttered in general, is much more agile, and it is expected that Server OS users will want to do a lot of tweaking of their systems whereas typical [B]end-users should be spoon fed the easiest to use environment possible[/B]. [URL="http://tinyurl.com/9nz63l"][B]I still would like to see Server 2008 made available with Workstation licensing[/B][/URL], for those of us on the “git er done” end of the sysadmin spectrum. I also find the Windows 7 Control Panel to be less intuitive than XP’s — they’ve tried to simplify things, but in doing so, actually made it more frustrating, because you now need one additional mouse click to see all the Control Panel options — of which there are now approximately double than which existed in XP. Clearly, they could have done a better job at consolidating functions, or at the very least, provided a better UI for navigating such a long list of stuff, such as a tree drill-down view that is used in the [URL="http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/windows/win2k/win2kmantools.html"][B]Computer Management[/B][/URL] control in the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Management_Console"][B]Microsoft Management Console[/B][/URL]. Do you find the default Windows 7 UI changes an improvement or a productivity impediment? [B]Talk Back and Let Me Know. [/B] [B][EMAIL="jperlow@gmail.com"]Jason Perlow (click to email)[/EMAIL][/B] is a technologist with over two decades of experience integrating large heterogeneous multi-vendor computing environments in Fortune 500 companies. See his [B][URL="http://blogs.zdnet.com/bio.php#perlow"]full profile[/URL][/B] and [B][URL="http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?page_id=100"]disclosure[/URL][/B] of his industry affiliations.

#1143870Post 2 of 90

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hmm .. and i just read about the public beta for windows 7 being on the day after and i was wondering if anyone would be downloading it

#1143882Post 3 of 90

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I've read a few reviews that it's outperforming XP as well. It's promising. Clearly there are those who will not be happy with the product in all its glory but if Windows is finally out with an OS that doesn't need 8 GB ram to run it and is more aesthetically appealing than XP, I'm a happy camper.

#1143945Post 4 of 90

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for now let's keep it as it's promising till the final build is out ... wouldnt want to be disappointed again like how vista was nevertheless im still quite happy with how xp is running

#1144002Post 5 of 90

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whoaaa

[QUOTE]Basic desktop performance was strong; the reports that Windows 7 is simply faster than Vista appear to be true. Certainly, Windows 7 had no problem simultaneously installing and launching applications, downloading files, browsing the Web, and carrying out other tasks on our modest 2.8GHz Pentium 4, which has only an 80GB IDE hard disk and [B][U][COLOR="DarkOrange"]512MB of RAM.[/COLOR][/U][/B] [/QUOTE]

[url]http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10134184-92.html?tag=smallCarouselArea.2[/url]

#1144011Post 6 of 90

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yah thats what they had been saying since they started developing windows7 .. that its going to be so light that even those tiny netbooks have no problem running it at its full capacity .. it should be good but i'm still skeptical due to what they promised with vista ... guess we would have to wait and see when the final build is released

#1144031Post 7 of 90

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Im defenetely switching to Win 7 next year, need the direct x 10 running on my gpu .

#1144473Post 8 of 90

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anyone do a test install of Windows 7 yet? I am so tempted to give it a whirl just to see how it performs.

#1144484Post 9 of 90

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[quote=Corven;695347]yah thats what they had been saying since they started developing windows7 .. that its going to be so light that even those tiny netbooks have no problem running it at its full capacity .. it should be good but i'm still skeptical due to what they promised with vista ... guess we would have to wait and see when the final build is released[/quote]

IIRC they want to use the same Windows core for all platforms: Desktop, net pc, mobile.

But the kernel was never an issue, it's the shit they build around it that is a resource hog.

#1147372Post 10 of 90

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[quote=Kamal;695847]anyone do a test install of Windows 7 yet? I am so tempted to give it a whirl just to see how it performs.[/quote] I don't have it yet. I haven't had the opportunity to download it from TechNet just yet, but when I do get it I'll be putting it in a virtual.

#1147599Post 11 of 90

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for those looking for a seriously detailed image-based tour but not wanting to install the sucker

[url]http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/the-geek-blog/what-you-should-expect-from-the-windows-7-beta/[/url]

#1147635Post 12 of 90

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I saw that earlier. Pretty good write-up they did on it.

#1147731Post 13 of 90

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[IMG]http://craphound.com/images/xkcdhitler.jpg[/IMG]

#1147983Post 14 of 90

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[IMG]http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/windows_7.png[/IMG]

is what you meant to say. ;)

#1149357Post 15 of 90

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[url]http://lifehacker.com/5130496/windows-7-aero-peek-even-better-in-latest-build?autoplay=true[/url]

#1151290Post 16 of 90

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[url]http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/20/windows-7-install-roundup/#continued[/url]

#1151508Post 17 of 90

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....

#1152278Post 18 of 90

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[URL]http://i.gizmodo.com/5131933/giz-explains-why-the-windows-7-taskbar-beats-mac-os-xs-dock?skyline=true&s=i[/URL]

[B][URL="http://i.gizmodo.com/5131933/giz-explains-why-the-windows-7-taskbar-beats-mac-os-xs-dock"]Giz Explains: Why the Windows 7 Taskbar Beats Mac OS X's Dock[/URL][/B]

#1152400Post 19 of 90

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man all that hype about Windows 7 being quicker than XP and Vista....it wont happen until way into the future.

[URL="http://www.infoworld.com/article/09/01/22/03TC-windows-multicore_1.html"]Windows XP, Windows Vista, and Windows 7 show their multiprocessing mettle in our dual-core and quad-core performance tests[/URL]

[QUOTE]Regardless of how you slice the numbers, Windows 7 and Vista remain birds of a feather and clearly a very different species of animal from Windows XP. You can see this divergence in the overall execution path complexity for Windows 7. Like Vista, this new Windows chews up a lot more CPU cycles per transaction loop than XP -- from 39 to 68 percent more on dual-core and from 19 to 51 percent more on quad-core (the lower figures in each case representing the workflow workload, and the higher figures the database workload). Any illusions about Windows 7 somehow being leaner or more efficient than Vista can now be thrown out the window, right along with the infamous "new kernel" myth and related rumors and misconceptions.[/QUOTE]

#1156072Post 20 of 90

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Gonna have to disagree with that article. In my own real world tests Windows 7 is a lot faster, zippier and leaner than Vista. Even through a virtual machine with basic drivers. Would love to test it out on a proper thing.

#1156128Post 21 of 90

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I dont know how it stands up against XP but I have now installed Windows 7 on 2 different systems at home. My main laptop and my media center PC. Right off the bat, the things I have seen are

  • Boot up times are wicked quick. As soon as I installed the beta, there were "Updates" ready to download and of course they needed a reboot. The system was back at the desktop in no time

  • Low memory footprint. On my 2 GB laptop, on a bootup, with no apps running, when the system reached the desktop, the RAM meter indicated about 40% of the system RAM was in use. With Windows 7, it idles at 27% on the desktop.

  • IE appears to be performing leaner than Firefox. When I boot up my laptop and fired IE, the Ram indicator stayed at 27%. I surfed around [ms] a bit, fired up additional Tabs, it did not budge past 27%. As soon as I opened up FF, it jumped to 31%. This was a clean install of FF with no add-ons and so the jump was rather surprising.

  • Aero transitions definitely need a good video card. I was noticing some of the transitions weren't as "fluid" on my laptop but were great on my Desktop (which has an 8600GT).

  • There are a few Bugs. For starts, IE is very unstable. If a page is loading and you try to reposition the window, screwed. Even Ctrl+Alt+Del // Task Manager // Kill IE is a pain. It just sits there, completely grayed out. The other bug I have noted so far is "Empty Recycle Bin" doesn't bring up the pop up confirmation box asking if you want to empty it. I've had to manually open the Recycle Bin, highlight all items and then delete it using the button in the window on the top.

  • I'm just totally digging the the new task bar, themes (including the free ones available online). Very very cool

  • Media Center interface has gotten a face lift for the better (at least I liked it). My wife wasn't a big fan of the larger font size of the Media Center Menu system. I also felt that the video decoders may have been tweaked for the better. Standard definition television broadcasts looked and worked better than those from Vista.

  • The channel guide that appears at the bottom of the screen when watching TV looks great, not only does it show the standard info of whats playing on what channel, it now shows whats the upcoming show on the channel and whats playing on the immediate next channel as well.

These are just some of my observations right now, will post more later.

#1156396Post 22 of 90

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Noticed a second bug. Dont know what it is but for some reason my media center PC appears to be sucking CPU time like crazy. CPU fan is on a mission and I cant seem to pinpoint exactly what it is. Sometimes its the Windows Media Player network service, sometimes its Windows Media Center, other times its Windows Media Network Service. Its never all 3 together but just one of the services will take the place of the other when when I kill it through task manager. Really weird.

#1156451Post 23 of 90

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apparently [URL="http://lifehacker.com/5139424/how-to-burn-isos-in-windows-7"]this[/URL] is how you burn ISO images in Windows 7, which is a HUGE plus, but I don't see the option when I right click an ISO image file. Perhaps its a newer beta release ? :NotMe:

EDIT: I installed Winrar and so the option actually got tucked away. After right clicking the img file and moving the mouse over "Open With" - see the option "Windows Disc Image Burner". So confirm Burning ISOs to CD/DVD is built into Windows 7.

#1156493Post 24 of 90

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Im downloading the ISO atm and will install it asap. From what ive read it looks tons better than vista. Lets just hope they keep it up and dont f$ck it up in the end.

#1158564Post 25 of 90

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vista and everything else you wanted to know....pretty detailed list.

[url]http://i.gizmodo.com/5136781/gizmodos-complete-windows-7-coverage?skyline=true&s=i[/url]

#1160548Post 26 of 90

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im on windows 7 64bits looks fucking amazing mates...i first installed vista coz i had always been on xp so i just wanted to give it fast view get a score of 5.8 and then i reinstall windows 7 im using it gonna try a few proggys that i might need...im installing the upadtes so my MP3 dont get fuck or something...

#1160727Post 27 of 90

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i just unistall it, read about a bug with the mp3 files and get freakout i just recently put vista ultimate on my pc and works like a charm, those animated wallpapers are freaking cool...

and had a score of 5.8 only my hardware had 5.8 everything else have 5.9 :D

#1160751Post 28 of 90

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Do you have links to good and free animated wallpapers?

#1163870Post 29 of 90

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i get them on the windows update dreamscene i think they are called.. rite now i have one on the woods with a waterfall that is pretty impresive im gonna put a screenshoot never thought on looking them on the web, gonna do a search later at home and let you know

#1164464Post 30 of 90

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Yeah I downloaded all Dream Scene files from the Microsoft page as well and I also use the waterfall on my PC..great desktop motive. I am more looking for some free underground art. 8) The cool ones I saw so far were commercially orientated so I hope for a scene of people sharing good ones for free.

#1164517Post 31 of 90

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[url]http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/02/08/windows-7-build-7022-leaks[/url]

#1164777Post 32 of 90

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that build 7022 is FAST as SHIT. The Media Center part of it is WICKED fast and a BRILLIANT and stable upgrade from build 7000.

BUT

I cant get multi RDC sessions to work, I cant get the activation hack to work. Without these, this is a no go for me and I decided to roll back to Vista. I will wait with Vista until the official release is out and the goodies that go with it.

#1164792Post 33 of 90

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[QUOTE=Kamal;709057]that build 7022 is FAST as SHIT.[/QUOTE]

i had a pretty slow poop this morning, a 'fighter' if you will. ^probably a poor choice for a simile, im just sayin.

#1164793Post 34 of 90

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so I presume you went through the entire TP role?

#1164795Post 35 of 90

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no, it broke away clean, it just fought it's way out the door.

#1164796Post 36 of 90

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awesome, gotta hate when you're waxing the exit door for 45 minutes and still getting hairline streaks on white. that is a sore day at work.

#1164797Post 37 of 90

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I'm sure Microsoft appreciates how much we love Windows 7 :lol:

#1164801Post 38 of 90

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While i was on the toilet i was using OSX.

#1164810Post 39 of 90

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that explains the exit strategy :lol:

#1165999Post 40 of 90

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[quote=TomTom;708713]Yeah I downloaded all Dream Scene files from the Microsoft page as well and I also use the waterfall on my PC..great desktop motive. I am more looking for some free underground art. 8) The cool ones I saw so far were commercially orientated so I hope for a scene of people sharing good ones for free.[/quote]

[url]http://dream.wincustomize.com/index.aspx?referer=getmore1b&c=1[/url]

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