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GAME ON MOTHERFUCKER!!!!

19 durable postsStarted 2005-02-19Latest 2005-02-20
#10199Post 1 of 19

There might be an NHL season, after all.

The NHL and the players' association will meet in New York on Saturday after the league requested the sides get together again. The Hockey News reported Friday night that the sides had already agreed in principle to a deal that includes a $45 million salary cap and could un-cancel the season Saturday.

Asked if there was any way a deal won't get done, a player close to the talks who asked to remain anonymous told The Hockey News, "Not that I can see. I couldn't possibly imagine the idea that somebody is going to try to make a name for themselves in the last minute here."

Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux are still believed to be major players in the process. Both are reportedly in New York taking part in the talks.

"I believe all (that) stuff is pretty accurate," said the player close to the talks.

A second source confirmed to The Hockey News that Lemieux traveled to New York on Friday.

On Wednesday, commissioner Gary Bettman canceled the season, saying it was too late to play any semblance of a schedule. The cancellation made the NHL the first major North American sports league to lose a full season to a labor dispute.

Or did it?

In a statement released Friday night, the players' association said the NHL made the offer late Thursday night to get back together. NHL spokesman Frank Brown told ESPN that the league had no comment on the reports.

There was no immediate word on who would take part in the meeting, although Canada's TSN reported earlier Friday that NHL vice president Bill Daly and NHLPA senior director Ted Saskin -- who ESPN The Magazine's E.J. Hradek reported was traveling to New York on Friday night -- will be in attendance. TSN said Bettman and Goodenow may not be directly involved in the meeting.

One general manager told The Hockey News that Bettman used the cancellation to force NHLPA executive director Bob Goodenow's hand -- i.e., if Goodenow thought he could maintain his reputation of being a successful deadline hunter, he was wrong.

"I think the timing has always been to get an agreement so that we can play," said New Jersey Devils president Lou Lamoriello, who has taken part in previous negotiations. "Right now, it's still get an agreement, and then if we get an agreement, then can we play?

"I think it's a little different than it was before," he said.

Hradek reported that even if an agreement is reached, there is no guarantee a season will be played this year.

"The way everything has transpired, nothing surprises me," said Lamoriello, who declined to say whether he would be in attendance.

Daly was involved in a closed-door meeting Friday evening and declined to comment.

There hadn't been any official contact between the NHL and the players' association since Tuesday night -- when the sides traded what they said were final offers.

All proposals were rejected, and Bettman went ahead and canceled the season Wednesday at a news conference that was scheduled two days earlier.

"I don't think anything was premature. It was a necessity," Lamoriello said. "It didn't appear to be going anywhere and there was too much jockeying going on.

"Right now, there's a chance of people getting down to possibly getting this done," he said.

Bettman said in a letter to Goodenow on Tuesday that the league's salary cap proposal of $42.5 million was as far as he could go and that there was no time or flexibility for negotiation.

Goodenow sent a letter back, proposing a soft cap at $49 million that could be exceeded by as much as 10 percent by teams twice during the course of the six-year deal.

It appeared there was momentum toward reaching a deal and that the season had a chance to be saved, since the sides were only $6.5 million apart on their cap numbers. But talking ceased after each side sent two letters to the other on Tuesday night.

There were big breakthroughs Monday in Niagara Falls, N.Y., when the NHL agreed to drop its demand that player costs be linked to league revenues and the union, in turn, came off its steadfast opposition to a salary cap.

"We got through the philosophical end of it, so there's a better chance, but I think there is still a lot of work that has to be done and it still takes some time," Lamoriello said.

Bettman said the NHL couldn't afford the union's final proposal and said if all 30 teams spent $49 million on player costs, then more money would be paid out to players than last season.

Rumors began to swirl on Thursday, once the realization set in that the season had indeed been canceled.

"A lot of players, owners, managers saw how close the two negotiating teams got to a deal and I think people are just exploring if that can be explored any more," agent Pat Morris said Friday. "I don't know if it'll have a successful conclusion."

Bettman has said that teams lost more than $1.8 billion over 10 years -- the last time a collective bargaining agreement was reached. The previous lockout cut the 1994-95 season down to 48 games per team.

NHL clubs claim to have lost $273 million in 2002-03 and $224 million last season.

Bettman said that a deal would have to be in the drafting stages by the end of last weekend if there was going to be time to play a 28-game season and a standard 16-team postseason.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

[url]http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=1994750[/url]

#363579Post 2 of 19

i was so about to go to a sharks game this year, but i didnt realize they were on strike till like a month ago. my buddy was telling me theres a minor leauge team that is stacked where he lives. he says its awsome to watch pros play, not for the money but becasue they love the game. unfortunatly i am unable to aprechiate the game becausei have never been to a game. well im over it now, i think about 15 hours till spring training, LETS GO OAKLAND.

#363586Post 3 of 19

2 words...who cares.

#363604Post 4 of 19

2 more words... not me

#363652Post 5 of 19

I wander what kind of a season they'll have at this stage but they got to have something. There are some players like Ilya Kovalchuk who signed contracts in europe that requires them to stay their this season.

#363663Post 6 of 19

Yes,yes it is unfortunately...I heard this news.. :( :cry:

#363716Post 7 of 19

hockey sucks, who cares anymore... i hope they dont have a season for 5 years, thats the only way ill respect both sides for holding out this long... im canadian and i hate hockey now, well i hated it before cause our televisions are filled with the crappy "highlights"... how often are hockey highlights really that good compared to other sports? seriously... baseball highlights rule over hockeys... this really does put hockey at the bottom of the list again, im happy its there again... cheers :Cheerz:

#363724Post 8 of 19

^^^ Wow, I thought it was against the law to hate hockey in Canada!!! :P

The reason I'm so over it is this "It's on, it's off, well, let's try to work out another deal, ok it's off again, no wait..........it's on again" bullshit. Bettman says "This is it, the season is officially cancelled blah, blah, blah." Three days later...wait we have another deal to offer. Get on with it...cancel the season, let everyone see that hockey players are just as greedy and money crazed as all other athletes and let it fade into obscurity.

International/Olympic hockey is [b]WAY[/b] better than this NHL crap anyway. No fighting and all game??? What a concept!!!!

#363729Post 9 of 19

I hadn't even noticed it was gone... :roll:

#363750Post 10 of 19

^^^ Exactly!!!!!!!

#363751Post 11 of 19

indeed...just cancel it and end the bickering. THEN, you'll have time to work out the right deal for the new season, unless you want to lose THAT as well (then things would really hit the fan).

#363778Post 12 of 19

Re: GAME ON MOTHERFUCKER!!!!

Hockey is stupid for not working out a deal especially when most people don't like hockey anyway. Both the owners and players take the blame on this work stoppage. Football and basketball have salary caps and they bring in much more revenue than hockey and were able to work out a salary cap.

Baseball lost a lot of fans after the World Series was cancelled in 1994. I wonder what kind of impact losing a whole season will do to hockey. I'm sure it will be really negative, but they'll probably keep their hardcore fans.

If they don't work something out now in hockey while they're missing games, how are they going to get things done over the summer when hockey isn't being played? They need to work something out now to salvage some of the season and their sport.

#363828Post 13 of 19

Re: GAME ON MOTHERFUCKER!!!!

damn, now I have to watch hockey highlights on sportscenter again. How annoying...

#363831Post 14 of 19

Well, I guess I'm one of the few that actually cares. I enjoy hockey for everything it is. Whether or not you are for a salary cap, we should all be able to agree that among all athletes, hockey players should definitely receive the most compensation. The brutality that they face day-in and day-out is unmatched in North American professional sports.

Here's to the chance of hockey returning. :Cheerz:

#363858Post 15 of 19

hey what they should do since they fucked us out of most of the season, is have a tournament... do it by division, the conference then final..like the ncaa but 7 game series... first round: round robin (make it so every team plays five games) top 2 advance from each division..that would total ............................................................................................................................... i just went to espn.com/nhl [b] no deal[/b] there goes my brilliant turny idea

#363863Post 16 of 19

it's game off again. they couldn't get to an agreement. it's a shame. i really don't think that either side really understands how difficult it'll be to come back from this.

#363942Post 17 of 19

[quote=remoh]............................................................................................................................... i just went to espn.com/nhl [b] no deal[/b] there goes my brilliant turny idea[/quote]

All that effort for nothing. :cry:

Looks like it's over for good now. Not even The Great One or Super Mario could pull enough strings. RIP 2004-2005 NHL season.

#363982Post 18 of 19

[quote=mmglobal]I hadn't even noticed it was gone... :roll:[/quote] :lol:

#363994Post 19 of 19

Re: GAME ON MOTHERFUCKER!!!!

Go Rangers! :twisted:

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