[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EnUHu2DC4s[/URL]

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

thebanned1 posted a link in one piece to this in the wikileaks thread

[url]http://svtplay.se/v/2264028/wikirebels___the_documentary[/url]

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

[QUOTE=DIDI;912483]thebanned1 posted a link in one piece to this in the wikileaks thread

[url]http://svtplay.se/v/2264028/wikirebels___the_documentary[/url][/QUOTE]

should I take the link down?

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

Yeah I saw it before in the other thread but no don't take it down its worth leaving it up i think...

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

[QUOTE=THE_LIGHT;912485]should I take the link down?[/QUOTE] It's not a bad idea for it to have it's own thread.. It's just easier if it's in one piece. People can choose the way they want to look at it.

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

how convenient they already made a documentary on SorosLeaks. Go Figure.

This Wiki thing is nothing but political theatre. All this is going to do is help the US take over the web completely.

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

:BSPost::DumbAss::AssKicki:

Back and already saying totally stupid nonsense which makes no sense huh?

:rant::Hmmm:

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

[QUOTE=THE_LIGHT;912485]should I take the link down?[/QUOTE]

I watched this a few days ago, very good doc about the site and its goals. I never knew that the CCC was involved in helping out wikileaks for a time.

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

You don't find it strange that hundreds of thousands of documents have gotten out of the Pentagon and other email sources? I mean nobody knows better than the Pentagon that the secret of information is paramount. You watch this is going to go on for months, and then the US will take over the internet.

We are witnessing the end of the internet - - As we know it

Also Reso just because you can't understand doesn't mean you should reject it. I understand it is over your head (many things are) but just try to think outside of the box just once. I mean even most Fortune 500 companies have better security then what the Pentagon is saying. Millions of documents leaked? Ya and Roswell is where they are holding the aliens.

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

I think I can safely say that I understand how 'the internet' works a bit more than you do, you have failed at understanding how the net is designed.

Also the docs were siphoned off over a course of days/weeks/months by (allegedly) just one person with access to classified docs. The only reason we even have the name of Bradley Manning is that he was ratted out by Adrian Lamo. No conspiracy, just stupidity in copying a shitload of classified docs, talking to someone on the net about it, and expecting not to get caught.

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

Why don't you ever question anything?

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

I am. I'm questioning why the hell you are coming up with totally asinine shit for the millionth time which makes no sense. Bored at work?

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

HEY! it's runningman! where ya been?? :lol::lol:

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

^cia

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

I got suspended again for against the Mercuryserver Mafia. But I'm back with new ideas!

No Reso you take EVERYTHING the MSM tells you as gospel.

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

And you take EVERYTHING the MSM tells you as automatically false, so technically you are just as bad as me. :WinkNSmi:

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

no I'm not as bad as you. Neither of us are bad. The MSM lies so thank you for saying I disagree with them. I don't side with liars

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

It could be possible that open leaks is the US attempt to take control of the source

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

Not likely. Daniel Domscheit-Berg who used to work for wikileaks is part of the founding team. A bunch of people were pissed at Assange even before the whole Apache video and the current Cablegate docs were released and quit in protested because they thought Assange was becoming too much of a media figurehead and working on his image than running the site properly, so this has been coming for a while.

Plus Berg is German and is a member of the German CCC which is the oldest hacking group in the world. I think hes doing this more as an information wants to be free thing than as a bought out puppet for anyone.

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

Actually here is a good article of the new site just posted today:

[URL]http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/openleaks/#more-21935[/URL]

[quote] Unlike WikiLeaks, OpenLeaks will not publish documents. Instead, it will operate as an online dropbox, creating an infrastructure to deliver documents securely and anonymously directly to journalists and other outlets — such as human rights organizations, labor unions, non-governmental oversight groups — that choose to participate.

Sources will not be able to submit documents directly through the OpenLeaks website. Instead, participating media outlets and others will be able to include links on their websites for submissions that will be delivered through the OpenLeaks-designed architecture.

The plan is similar to a [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/21/business/media/21leaks.html?ref=technology"]failed proposal that WikiLeaks had submitted[/URL] to the Knight Foundation News Challenge grant in 2009. WikiLeaks had sought $530,000 from the foundation to build an anonymous submission system that would be linked through local newspaper websites, allowing sources to submit documents related to local issues. The receiving newspaper would have exclusive access to the documents for a period of time before WikiLeaks published the documents on its own website. The Knight Foundation rejected the application.

OpenLeaks plans to expand this concept beyond local newspapers and will give the recipient an unspecified amount of time to research the document and write a story. If that time passes without a story, OpenLeaks will be able to pass the documents to another recipient specified by the source to ensure that documents don’t sit in a drawer or become buried because of pressure from a government. OpenLeaks will then publish links to any stories produced from the documents, avoiding legal repercussions that might come from publishing the documents themselves.

Lucy Dalglish, executive director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, said the setup would make OpenLeaks more of an internet service provider than a publisher.[/quote]

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

[quote=shpira;912704]it could be possible that open leaks is the us attempt to take control of the source[/quote]

bingo

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

[QUOTE=res0nat0r;912717]Not likely. Daniel Domscheit-Berg who used to work for wikileaks is part of the founding team. A bunch of people were pissed at Assange even before the whole Apache video and the current Cablegate docs were released and quit in protested because they thought Assange was becoming too much of a media figurehead and working on his image than running the site properly, so this has been coming for a while.

Plus Berg is German and is a member of the German CCC which is the oldest hacking group in the world. I think hes doing this more as an information wants to be free thing than as a bought out puppet for anyone.[/QUOTE]

Thats precisely the usual MD. They discredit the original group by saying:

a.) they weren't hardcore enough b.) their motives were bad c.) they didn't agree with the direction it was taking

So they open their own group...grab 50% of the original group sources and people and immediately make the original group less relevant...only one of the bunch and with less resources less of a threat.

i have no evidence for this BTW it was just the thought I had as soon as I heard about openleaks.

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

[QUOTE=Shpira;912801]Thats precisely the usual MD. They discredit the original group by saying:

a.) they weren't hardcore enough b.) their motives were bad c.) they didn't agree with the direction it was taking

So they open their own group...grab 50% of the original group sources and people and immediately make the original group less relevant...only one of the bunch and with less resources less of a threat.

i have no evidence for this BTW it was just the thought I had as soon as I heard about openleaks.[/QUOTE]

They didnt say this, they said they were annoyed Assange started to become more of a cult of personality type, than a guy just trying to release as many damming docs are possible. They are not 'discrediting' anything, they just thought the site revolved around more and more of a dictator doing things to fuel his image than getting info out is all. Also technically the original site is 'less relevant', since its main figurehead is sitting in jail right now, by his own doing, by making himself such a public focus of the site. But to his credit Assange did this because he thought it would make the site have more impact, which I think it for sure has worked. This is the whole reason the 2nd site is being created, to not have it be the focus of one person.

I wish I could find the articles I read a good while ago about everyone being annoyed at how he was acting behind the scenes, and being accusatory of everyone leaking info to the press, and him being exactly the opposite of open to his co-workers.

Some (I don't know really how many or exact names of these guys b/c I don't remember) quit the group long before 99% of the world even heard of this site, it is not like it is a new thing. I remember reading about fallout in the ranks before it became such huge news around the world with the release of the 2 big US stories.

Either way...if this new site release more docs, more often (and only time will tell right), then it will be doing its job just fine then right?

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

[QUOTE=res0nat0r;912760]Actually here is a good article of the new site just posted today:

[URL]http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/openleaks/#more-21935[/URL][/QUOTE]

I prefer the way they are doing it at the moment.

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

Wikileaks goes back to cypherpunk. Look it up if you want to know the origins of Assange and Wikileaks. Don't just think that documentary is revealing it all.

Here is an interview of the guy that first started Wikileaks. John Young is the founder of Cryptome.

[video=youtube;-lTBJAkNyBk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lTBJAkNyBk[/video]

Wikileaks raised $5 Million in a few weeks. John explains that from the beginning it was corrupt.

If you are prejudice towards Alex you can watch it here on RT.

[video=youtube;uonufE_jG-8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uonufE_jG-8[/video]

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

[video=youtube;3adw9oLBkBI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3adw9oLBkBI[/video]

[video=youtube;NXbCwq4ewBU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXbCwq4ewBU[/video]

[video=youtube;hl4NlA97GeQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl4NlA97GeQ[/video]

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

hell yea man..fuckin awesome..thanks for the post

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

cia

[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/21/AR2010122105498.html[/url]

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

^cia

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

[video=youtube;MBJOBl1G3Kc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBJOBl1G3Kc[/video]

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

I donated and signed for that full page ad in the NY Times!! :D

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

[QUOTE=chunky;914922][video=youtube;MBJOBl1G3Kc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBJOBl1G3Kc[/video][/QUOTE]

Thanks for the link man really interesting. I wonder if Assange had anything to do with Manning...

[QUOTE=DIDI;915044]I donated and signed for that full page ad in the NY Times!! :D[/QUOTE]

Nice one DI do you have a link to that page?

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

^^^ Just the one getup sent .

[url]http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/Wikileaks&id=1504[/url]

Btw It actually makes sense that their sources wouldn't be known. It protects both of them.

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

All of this calling for Assange's death reminds me of the Bill Hicks Just A Ride Quote

[QUOTE]"Hey, don't worry; don't be afraid, ever, because this is just a ride." And we … kill those people. "Shut him up! I've got a lot invested in this ride, shut him up! Look at my furrows of worry, look at my big bank account, and my family. This [I]has[/I] to be real." [B]It's just a ride.[/B] But we always kill the good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that? And let the demons run amok …[/QUOTE]

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

Found that video very interesting Chunky, thanks.

Yeah calls for his death are pretty scary but as Mr Assange said in the interview, who becomes the terrorist at that point?

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

[url]Http://wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/greenwald[/url]

Quite a good read here. There has been some high drama around this the last few days

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

[QUOTE][URL]Http://wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/greenwald[/URL]

With Manning, Greenwald adopts the polar opposite opinions. “Journalists should be about disclosing facts, not protecting anyone.” This dissonance in his views has only grown in the wake of reports that Manning might be offered a plea deal in exchange for testimony against Assange. [/QUOTE]Testimony against Assange for what? He hasn't done anything illegal in the US. Manning is different though. I'm guessing he signed the US version Official Secrets Act which he would be guilty of breaking. But then is he serving the US Government or the US people. Government he did the wrong thing, if it's the people he did the right thing.

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

The gov't is trying to prosecute him under the Espionage Act since I think they are trying to prove that he acted in collusion with Manning to publish the documents. And also basically that he is not a journalist since they are publishing everything they get instead of weighing weather the public need outweighs the risk of releasing what they do. It is how they are trying to get around the First Amendment which is pretty bad.

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

It will be interesting to see how they prove it. It could be argued that it's all in the public need. Also if they can prove that they haven't released everything they could always release more now proving that they hadn't released everything. As far as the risk go's, I doubt more ot less people have been killed as a result of the releases, its more a case of a lot of people have been embarrassed. Nothing has really changed

Re: WikiRebels -- The Documentary (Wikileaks) by SvT

I remember a few years back a major newspaper wanted to expose the names of british solders who had committed crimes while working undercover in the IRA. The government managed prevent the story ever being published, which I would say they had reasonable grounds. However wikileaks has done nothing near this.