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Revolution is not possible with the MSM telling people what to think and how to act.

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Definitely not...and with the FED secretly loaning billions to the likes of GE (MSNBC), and FOX pretending ("controlled opposition"), it's no wonder we're in this state.

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Go read chomsky...manufacturing consent...or ANYTHING else...come talk after. No offence intended but this is rubbish. Its almost like you live in a paralel universe.

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[QUOTE=vinnie97;912683] You want me to demonize all US foreign policy and no, I won't do that. [/QUOTE]

Nah, just some of them, mainly the ones consisting of murdering thousands of innocent people in their home countries with out them being a threat to you, and just tell the world they had weapons of mass destruction and create an imaginary enemy to justify sending the rest of the troops there and the killings. just to suck up its resources and have another base on the other side of the world for reasons that will happen in the next 10 yrs or so. and i'll let u figure out on ur own(which i dont think will happen) what other actions those same people are willing to take to keep this lie going and increasing the nation's hate to this created enemy so that the nation will be so emotional and caught up to even think in a rational way, and just simply and blindly follow what they want you to.

[QUOTE=vinnie97;912683]I'm rambling now but this is a COMPLICATED topic and not on where I'm going to take your bait and rebuke every international action the US has ever taken.[/QUOTE]

you already took the bait, but not from me.

p.s. im just talking about a certain era under certain people that lead the whole nation to this.

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So you'll agree the UN needs dismantling then, because they were ultimately used as the tool to justify the Iraqi invasion (at least 17 violations, the WMD accusations were the final straw used to break the camel's back...and it is a known fact he used chemical weapons against certain ethnic sects). Life in Iraq under Saddam wasn't peaches either. If you were a loud political dissident, a lifetime of prison would be the best you could expect.

Yes, all of these can be used as convenient scapegoats for the invasion to shield the more selfish reasons for invasion. I'm not denying that. But you only see it from a single perspective as well. That boogeyman Bin Laden (whose Iraqi connections were tenuous at best) could have been killed on multiple occasions, but I agree he was kept alive for more sinister reasons. To bring a police state home domestically and to further justify foreign invasion of sovereign lands. What is the hidden hand here? The trillionaire power-mongers at the top of the food chain who are manipulating the once most powerful country of the 21st/20th century? It doesn't seem like a purely partisan issue anymore.

Right back atcha', Shpira.

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I just watched John Pilger's new film - The War You Don't See. It is about the media and how they are very, very easily manipulated. They basically dont' do any investigating at all and simply rely on "credible sources" which turn out to not be very credible at all.

Rather than reading Chomsky you should check that film out.

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John Pilger is one of the people who put Julian Assange's bail money up

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[QUOTE=vinnie97;912633]Perhaps it's a history that goes back to WWI/WWII, when we realized that isolationism was failing and could no longer be relied upon after all the human losses. After that (in part to prevent the conditions that caused such instability), we became proactive interventionists to the extreme. It seems we're on the tail end of that now.

The results haven't always been a disaster...Chile turned out nice.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the response and I've got a couple more questions please.

Do you believe it be an old school thought or do the younger generation feel the same way? And also, do the leaders, parents or education system push that belief onto students or is it picked up along the way via MSM?

Cheers

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[QUOTE=vinnie97;912848]So you'll agree the UN needs dismantling then, because they were ultimately used as the tool to justify the Iraqi invasion (at least 17 violations, the WMD accusations were the final straw used to break the camel's back...and it is a known fact he used chemical weapons against certain ethnic sects). Life in Iraq under Saddam wasn't peaches either. If you were a loud political dissident, a lifetime of prison would be the best you could expect.

Yes, all of these can be used as convenient scapegoats for the invasion to shield the more selfish reasons for invasion. I'm not denying that. But you only see it from a single perspective as well. That boogeyman Bin Laden (whose Iraqi connections were tenuous at best) could have been killed on multiple occasions, but I agree he was kept alive for more sinister reasons. To bring a police state home domestically and to further justify foreign invasion of sovereign lands. What is the hidden hand here? The trillionaire power-mongers at the top of the food chain who are manipulating the once most powerful country of the 21st/20th century? It doesn't seem like a purely partisan issue anymore.

Right back atcha', Shpira.[/QUOTE]

You are talking non sense again...its like the whole thing just goes swoosh over your head. Lets start with basics first: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military%E2%80%93industrial_complex[/url]

and then just like Bin Laden the US actually supported Saddam...

As I said before some of the US citizens need to go abroad so that they can actually learn their own history...do you guys have the internet censored as well?

Quite honestly I am done with this...I will get pissed off and start insulting people because I can't deal with wilful ignorance.

So peace have fun...and don't forget to bring a towel.

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[QUOTE=runningman;912904]I just watched John Pilger's new film - The War You Don't See. It is about the media and how they are very, very easily manipulated. They basically dont' do any investigating at all and simply rely on "credible sources" which turn out to not be very credible at all.

Rather than reading Chomsky you should check that film out.[/QUOTE]

lol

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well let's face it what has Chomsky really done to change the Earth. He just sits there and gives lectures but never participates in anything.

What a waste of what appears to be a great mind.

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Chomsky is a pussy.

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^^always insightful and thought provoking.