Facts and Figures Education 3300 Iraqi schools renovated, or soon to be completed, since the overthrow of Saddam ("What We've Accomplished," Fox News Sunday, April 30, 2004)

9 Million New math and science textbooks printed and distributed with pro-Saddam propaganda extracted ("What We've Accomplished," Fox News Sunday, April 30, 2004)

85% Primary and secondary schools that have re-opened since the overthrow of Saddam ("Free After 50 Years of Tyranny," The Observer, October 5, 2003)

159,000 Student desks distributed to Iraqi schools ("Countdown to Sovereignty," Coalition Provisional Authority)

81,735 Teaching kits distributed to Iraqi primary school teachers ("Countdown to Sovereignty," Coalition Provisional Authority)

Human Rights 71% Proportion of Iraqis in a February 2004 survey that said they expected their lives to be even better in a year ("National Survey of Iraq," Oxford Research International, February 2004)

76,000 New jobs created by the Iraqi National Employment Program ("Countdown to Sovereignty," Coalition Provisional Authority)

600 New judges presently working in Iraqi Courts of Law ("What We've Accomplished," Fox News Sunday, April 30, 2004)

170 Newspapers currently published in Iraq ("Countdown to Sovereignty," Coalition Provisional Authority)

33% Percentage of Iraqis that receive worldwide information via satellite ("What We've Accomplished," Fox News Sunday, April 30, 2004)

70 Mosques refurbished by coalition forces ("Countdown to Sovereignty," Coalition Provisional Authority)

Healthcare $1 Billion Current budget for the Iraqi Ministry of Health; 25 times greater than the $16 million annual budget under Saddam's reign ("A Year After Liberation," The Washington Post, April 9, 2004)

25% Increase in immunization rates among Iraqi children ("What We've Accomplished," Fox News Sunday, April 30, 2004)

75 Iraqi medical facilities refurbished by the Coalition Provisional Authority ("Countdown to Sovereignty," Coalition Provisional Authority)

700,000 Pregnant Iraqi women received a tetanus toxoid vaccination to improve their pre-natal healthcare ("Countdown to Sovereignty," Coalition Provisional Authority)

Infrastructure 500,000 Average increase in the daily number of oil barrels produced ("What We've Accomplished," Fox News Sunday, April 30, 2004)

16 Average number of hours of electricity for Iraqi citizens; a 40 percent increase from levels under Saddam ("What We've Accomplished," Fox News Sunday, April 30, 2004)

20 Million Iraqis of the country's 27 million citizens receive clean water due to new water and sanitation projects ("Countdown to Sovereignty," Coalition Provisional Authority)

1,005,580 Iraqi telephone subscribers; a 20 percent increase from under Saddam ("Countdown to Sovereignty," Coalition Provisional Authority)

Government and Politics 67 Iraqi cities with fully functioning municipalities only four months after the beginning of the war ("The Real Iraq," The New York Post, July 17, 2003)

85% Percentage of small Iraqi towns that had fully functioning municipalities only four months after the beginning of the war ("The Real Iraq," The New York Post, July 17, 2003)

81 Iraqi women serve on neighborhood and district councils around Baghdad ("U.S. Commitment to Women in Iraq," Office of International Women's Issues, May 24, 2004)

6 Iraqi women appointed as Cabinet-level ministers in the newly-formed Iraqi Interim Government ("The Interim Iraqi Government," Coalition Provisional Authority, June 1, 2004)

[url]http://www.untoldiraq.org/index.cfm[/url]

i don't know how true they might be, but it sounds more positive than car bombs every day

Fuel reserves: Dried out.

"charge it, baby"

and the number of civilian dead during the ocupation? injured?

[quote=Marimba]and the number of civilian dead during the ocupation? injured?[/quote]

alot :cry:

so dont tell me that with those facts and figures on Irak, this country is better.....I think is worst......and the iraki people hate americans because they are the invaders. as simple as that. im not saying that Sadamm was a good leader...he was a fucking crazy moron....but I think that is time to left Irak and end the war.

[quote=Marimba]so dont tell me that with those facts and figures on Irak, this country is better.....I think is worst......and the iraki people hate americans because they are the invaders. as simple as that. im not saying that Sadamm was a good leader...he was a fucking crazy moron....but I think that is time to left Irak and end the war.[/quote]

i look at it one way you look at it another.. but don't tell me how the iraqs feel cause you have no clue.

[quote=Marimba]so dont tell me that with those facts and figures on Irak, this country is better.....I think is worst......and the iraki people hate americans because they are the invaders. as simple as that. im not saying that Sadamm was a good leader...he was a fucking crazy moron....but I think that is time to left Irak and end the war.[/quote]

and do you really think iraq would be better off if the US just picks up and leaves? :?

i wish there was a figure of how many new businesses will open up in the next 10 years. how many highschool and college graduates there will be. how many jobs will be allowed to be held now. how many women will be able to work. how many more children will be able to go to school. how many will be saved by improved medical science and hospitals in the area. how many little kids will be able to play sports after school? how many houses/highways/roads/building will spring up? how many weapons will be taken off the streets? etc etc etc.

there are 2 sides to every event. every nation has fought and killed people to gain freedom.

america,UK, france, germany, japan, etc etc

With all my respect... I agree that every or at least, almost every nation has fought and killed people to gain freedom; but, USA is free and it's battling and killing for someone else's freedom, don't you think? (Saying USA is battling for the freedom of another country is just a mere euphemism, it's pretty clear that USA just wants to gain money with that... or at least, they want power over that geographical zone).

just control the oil

those are some mighty reliable sources you got there for those facts...not a trustworthy one in the lot! :evil:

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i look at it one way you look at it another.. but don't tell me how the iraqs feel cause you have no clue.[/quote]

look at the news man! why do you think iraki insurgents kill american soldiers or police irakies? because the feel that EEUU is in control of their lives and political and economic decisiones. They have not soberany, they are just like a colony. I think that the UN should be there instead of american soldiers, but is too late.

[quote=Marimba][quote]

i look at it one way you look at it another.. but don't tell me how the iraqs feel cause you have no clue.[/quote]

look at the news man! why do you think iraki insurgents kill american soldiers or police irakies? because the feel that EEUU is in control of their lives and political and economic decisiones. They have not soberany, they are just like a colony. I think that the UN should be there instead of american soldiers, but is too late.[/quote]

And who are the americans to tell that Iraqi's are 'happy and free'? This works both ways eh. These elections are far from democratic when more than half of the Sunni population refuses to go out and vote. It won't be representative for the sentiments currently occupying the minds of the people.

I'm pretty curious as to the influence a newly chosen government will have, but I seriously doubt it will be extended, just like in Afghanistan: very locally and concentrated around the capital. And with such a strong military presence from the US it will have no actual power: I don't believe for a minute that the US forces would subject themselves to the new government. So who's the real boss?

Bush and his friends

[quote=Marimba][quote]

i look at it one way you look at it another.. but don't tell me how the iraqs feel cause you have no clue.[/quote]

look at the news man! why do you think iraki insurgents kill american soldiers or police irakies? because the feel that EEUU is in control of their lives and political and economic decisiones. They have not soberany, they are just like a colony. I think that the UN should be there instead of american soldiers, but is too late.[/quote]

so you want me to believe all that is said on the news? we all know the news is there for ratings and they are going to say what ever it takes to make you watch. of course they are going to point out the bad, cause that's what's selling.

again your telling me how the iraqi's feel by what you here on the news, you don'thave much to stand on. when you go to iraq and see for your self. then tell me how the iraqi people feel.

[quote=fishingnut][quote=Marimba][quote]

i look at it one way you look at it another.. but don't tell me how the iraqs feel cause you have no clue.[/quote]

look at the news man! why do you think iraki insurgents kill american soldiers or police irakies? because the feel that EEUU is in control of their lives and political and economic decisiones. They have not soberany, they are just like a colony. I think that the UN should be there instead of american soldiers, but is too late.[/quote]

so you want me to believe all that is said on the news? we all know the news is there for ratings and they are going to say what ever it takes to make you watch. of course they are going to point out the bad, cause that's what's selling.

again your telling me how the iraqi's feel by what you here on the news, you don'thave much to stand on. when you go to iraq and see for your self. then tell me how the iraqi people feel.[/quote]

So you went to Iraq? Could you tell us all how is it and how the people feel, please?

no i haven't, and i don't tell people how the iraqi people feel either.

[quote=rubyraks]those are some mighty reliable sources you got there for those facts...not a trustworthy one in the lot! :evil:[/quote]

yeah common, you have to be pretty desperate to use fox as a source

[quote=lmmadic][quote=rubyraks]those are some mighty reliable sources you got there for those facts...not a trustworthy one in the lot! :evil:[/quote]

yeah common, you have to be pretty desperate to use fox as a source[/quote]

ahh i think your mistaken i got them from here [url]http://www.untoldiraq.org/index.cfm[/url]

[quote=fishingnut]no i haven't, and i don't tell people how the iraqi people feel either.[/quote]

think like this.....all is about to put in the shoes of another person.

Imagine that some day the UNited States its invaded by a foreign country. No matters why your country is invaded, you will feel hate against the invaders. Its the same in Irak...no matters why you are there, because of the oil, because of the freedom ( you too kind!!) or whatever..... for the iraki people you are the invaders

but who are we really fighting right now, the iraqi people, or the people left over from saddam , and the few that snuck in.imo i think there's a difference. the people from iraq are still to scared to stand up for them selvs.

fishing nut is right. we are attacking criminals and murderers who just want to rule things thier way, rather than letting the people have a say in thier own lives. we would be killing everyone if we attacked the people. another thing is, the innocents have to realize a military force is coming and should get outta the way, even if only for a few hours..... :cry: its not right either way, but at least getting out of the way will save lives.

It's not about getting out of the way...

If you can't recognize civilians and terrorists, you are useless (talking about military forces). So useless some people is, that they bombed a UN hospital tent... :?

[quote=thesightless]fishing nut is right. we are attacking criminals and murderers who just want to rule things thier way, rather than letting the people have a say in thier own lives. [/quote]

their way? maybe you are right.....but the ones who rules things their way is the United States......

facts?

United States didn?t sign the kyoto protocol, and the one about human rights and so on.....

and you invade Irak without the United Nations permission, so.....who rule things their way???

I'm afraid of Iraq becoming a second Israel if this all works out. [b]If[/b], I say.