[ms] · Est. May 2002
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Re: Mahmoud al-Mabhouh Assassination
well they knew that he was a terrorist They were following the suspected terrorist A sharp dressed man let him on the plane with no passport They let him keep his Visa... what more do you want?
I mean they KNEW he was a terroist.. Not even a pat down? A secondary search?
If it looks like a duck, qucks like a duck, it is a fish you are saying?
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[QUOTE=toasty;846767] Looks to me like the upshot of this is that we didn't consider him as serious a threat as he turned out to be, but that's totally different from what you're suggesting.[/QUOTE]
Didn't he have problems boarding the plane in the first place? According to them to lawyers in the airport he did. They seem to of missed that in the mainstream media.
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Guy talks his way onto a plane vs. multiple intelligence agencies from different countries conspire to allow a known terrorist to board and attempt to destroy a plane bound for the US.
Uh, I'm going with option A. Less moving parts, less to go wrong. Remember, only one person has to slip through to do serious damage, as this guy almost did. If you're a terrorist, and your expectation is that you're going to die that day, getting turned away from your flight or capture probably isn't a significant impediment to just taking a flier and hoping you're able to convince someone to allow you aboard.
So I'm clear, and this is a serious question, are you saying that he didn't bring his passport, but nevertheless tried to board the plane using his real name, the one that was on all the watch lists? If that's the case, why bother to try to board without a passport at all? Just doesn't make any sense...
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you can go with whatever option you want.. but doesn't make it the right option.
You seem to be in denial that he was a known terrorist and he was "let" on the plane - he didn't talk his way on, a sharp dressed man put him on. No searches no patdowns.
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[QUOTE=runningman;846911]You seem to be in denial that he was a known terrorist and he was "let" on the plane - he didn't talk his way on, a sharp dressed man put him on. No searches no patdowns.[/QUOTE]
I'm confused -- was he allowed to board without a passport at the urging of a "sharp dressed man," or was he allowed to board by his own volition notwithstanding that he was on a watch list? The two seem inconsistent.
As an aside, after my post last night, I happened to watch a documentary on this where they did a walk-through of his day, and they were very explicit about him having a Nigerian passport. They were quite critical of the current monitoring system as to people who are not on the no-fly list, but who are instead on a lower-level list, in that by design, it doesn't give monitors the opportunity to assess whether that person is a serious threat until about 30 minutes after takeoff.
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[QUOTE=toasty;847009]I'm confused -- was he allowed to board without a passport at the urging of a "sharp dressed man," or was he allowed to board by his own volition notwithstanding that he was on a watch list? The two seem inconsistent.
As an aside, after my post last night, I happened to watch a documentary on this where they did a walk-through of his day, and they were very explicit about him having a Nigerian passport. They were quite critical of the current monitoring system as to people who are not on the no-fly list, but who are instead on a lower-level list, in that by design, it doesn't give monitors the opportunity to assess whether that person is a serious threat until about 30 minutes after takeoff.[/QUOTE]
He didn't have a passport and he was put on the plane by a shard dressed man. Kurt Haskell and his wife are Michigan lawyers who witnessed it all. They were talking about how he was a refugee and didn't have a passport.
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:runningman:
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Back on topic it looks like Britian has given an Israeli diplomat they think is a possible Mossad member the boot from the country.
[url]http://www.economist.com/world/middle-east/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15763761&source=features_box_main[/url]
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[QUOTE=runningman;847058]He didn't have a passport and he was put on the plane by a shard dressed man. Kurt Haskell and his wife are Michigan lawyers who witnessed it all. They were talking about how he was a refugee and didn't have a passport.[/QUOTE]
OK, so then walk me through this. What is it that you think happened here, who was behind it, and why?
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[quote=floridaorange;847086][IMG]http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg149/autumn59/popcorn4.gif[/IMG][/quote]
lol :D
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Well it's pretty simple isn't it Toasty? Let's go over the facts
The gov't allowed him on the plane and was actually put on by a sharp dressed man. The man with the bomb in his pants was a known terrorist because his father told the gov't that he was a potential terrorist After the incident thousands of body scanners (which Chertoff is a lobby for) are sold around the world for airports.
Sounds like shotgun capitalism to me. You create the demand through an incident and go benefit from it. My father taught me a long time ago that you only have to follow the money to find out who was behind it. Because who was behind it is the one who benefits the most - Cui Bono?
Also it created jobs!!
[URL]http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=a06o3iOct3pU[/URL]
The real question is now knowing the facts how could a known terrorist get on a plane with no passport? Who has that authority?
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How about this:
How come no one (TSA inspectors, supervisors, police, etc) other than this one lawyer guy have talked to the media or any reporters about how they were forced to let this guy thru screening? ? If they were told by their higher ups to ignore standard protocol on this guy and the one every girl is crazy for, the sharp dressed man, why has no one else come foward? Not a single person who would have had to let this guy thru security hasnt talked? There should be a host of conspirators right?
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Do your own research!
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2e89jp1ykE[/YOUTUBE]
I am sick of this it can't be true because it isn't common sense shit!! Go look it up! Educate yourselves.
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^You aren't making sense with that argument.
1] On this issue you believe ONE eyewitness and say that this MUST be true, vs the rest of the world. 2] On all of your 9/11 ramblings you believe a small subset, the AE911 folks (2000 or whatever amount of people) vs the rest of the world.
That is not common sense.
Since wikipedia is currently down:
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor[/url]
[quote] [B]Occam's [B]razor[/B][/B] (or [B]Ockham's [B]razor[/B][/B][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor#cite_note-0"][1][/URL]), is the meta-theoretical principle that "entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity" ([I]entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem[/I]) and the conclusion thereof, [B]that the simplest solution is usually the correct one.[/B][/quote]
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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;847121]^You aren't making sense with that argument.
1] On this issue you believe ONE eyewitness and say that this MUST be true, vs the rest of the world. [/QUOTE]
It was 2 witnesses and their story should be easy enough to verify unless Amsterdam Airport has antique CCTV
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It's never been verified. Oops. ;)
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[QUOTE=chunky;847122]antique CCTV[/QUOTE]
:lol: you're getting a LOT of mileage out of that one bro.
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yeah its been keeping me laughing a week. And when I say antique I mean English antique not American :lol:
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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;847123]It's never been verified. Oops. ;)[/QUOTE]
Save it for the windows:lol:
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I don't get it. Everyone is on MS because they know that Mainstream Music is awful and havesen how the music industry forces music on the general public. Why would the news media be different? All they have to do is repeat it over and over and the general public will believe it.
The world believes what is on
Fox NBC CBS MSNBC etc...
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Dude if I even had $0.001 for every time I heard the word 'terror' on TV since 9/11 I would be a millionaire. I know the media is all about fear and blowing shit out of proportion.
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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;847123]It's never been verified. Oops. ;)[/QUOTE]
Your ass must be sore from me always giving it to you.
[URL]http://current.com/items/92025755_cover-up-fbi-quietly-reverses-underwear-terror-bomber-official-story-kurt-haskell-s-description.htm[/URL]
[B]COVER UP !!! FBI Quietly Reverses Underwear Terror Bomber Official Story…Kurt Haskell’s description[/B]
[I]Authorities have quietly reversed the official story behind the Christmas Day underwear bomber attack and acknowledged that an accomplice was involved, despite weeks of denial and derision of eyewitness Kurt Haskell’s description of a sharp-dressed man who helped Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab board Flight 253 in Amsterdam.
COVER UP !!! FBI Quietly Reverses Underwear Terror Bomber Official Story…Kurt Haskell’s description of accomplice vindicated…[URL="http://current.com/http://ctpatriot1970.wordpress.com/2010/01/29/cover-up-fbi-quietly-reverses-underwear-terror-bomber-official-story-kurt-haskell%E2%80%99s-description-of-accomplice-vindicated/"]http://ctpatriot1970.wordpress.com/2010/01/29/cover-up-fbi-quietly-reverses-unde...[/URL]
Buried in the last two paragraphs of a story about alleged female suicide bombers coming from Yemen, an ABC News report contains the following bombshell.
“ Detroiteye also tell ABCNews.com they are attempting to identify a man who passengers said helped Abdulmutallab change planes for Detroit when he landed in Amsterdam from Lagos, Nigeria.” [/I]
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[QUOTE=runningman;847133] [B]COVER UP !!! FBI Quietly Reverses Underwear Terror Bomber Official Story…[COLOR=Magenta]Kurt Haskell’s description[/COLOR][/B]
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Damnit man!!! I think this WHOLE time is that you must be French-Canadian and English is your 2nd language. This MUST be why you are misreading everything going on on all of these english blogposts you keep posting.
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when does real credibility come into play here??? I mean proven right almost all the time. I admit when I'm wrong. I'm not affraid to be wrong.
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When the story is closer to:
[quote] [B]Occam's [B]razor[/B][/B] (or [B]Ockham's [B]razor[/B][/B][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor#cite_note-0"][1][/URL]), is the meta-theoretical principle that "entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity" ([I]entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem[/I]) and the conclusion thereof, [B]that the simplest solution is usually the correct one.[/B][/quote]
than to:
:runningman:
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Close the thread again. Go on you know you want to.:lol: I love it when you close the thread
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I love it the most when he says Oops or [COLOR=Red]Fixed[/COLOR] when he is TOTALLY WRONG!! HAHAHAHA
Also I give him proof from ABC news that Mutallab had an accomplace that helped him get on the plane in Amsterdam and he still denies it!!!! I mean what do you need??
It is scary the level of brainwashing that is going on.
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Can I send you guys money via paypal? This shit really is better than going to the movies. Since I cant go to the theater during the day since I'm at work I want to send you guys cash for the entertainment.
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you can send your donation here
[URL]http://www.question911.com/[/URL]
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^^HAHAHA [URL]http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/female-suicide-bombers-heading-yemen/story?id=9636341&page=2[/URL]
American officials say there were two additional incidents, in Minneapolis and in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., in which people on the no-fly list were denied boarding, questioned and then allowed to leave the airport without being detained. [IMG]http://a.abcnews.com/images/News/ap_253_2_100122_mn.jpg[/IMG]Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab is accused of attempting to bring down Northwest flight 253 with an "underwear bomb" on Dec. 25, 2009. Abdulmutallab told officials that others like him had trained with him in Yemen. (J.P. Karas/AP Photo)
"What we don't know is whether this is because everyone is doing a better job of enforcing the no-fly list, or because the list has been expanded, or because the terrorists are attempting to probe our security," said [URL="http://abcnew.go.com/"]ABC News[/URL] Clarke. A senior U.S. official said the most likely explanation involved the recent expansion of the no-fly list to include more possible terror suspects. At the same time, U.S. law enforcement agencies have quietly begun an intense and widespread effort to investigate [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/muslim-american-convicts-yemen-pose-threat/story?id=9602228"]any American resident who traveled to Yemen[/URL] in recent months or who was in contact with the radical cleric Anwar Awlaki, who authorities believe serves as an al Qaeda recruiter. Related [IMG]http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ap_scanner_091226_mc.jpg[/IMG]Officials: Only A Failed Detonator Saved Northwest Flight
[IMG]http://a.abcnews.com/images/Blotter/abc_a_PETN_underwear_091228_mc.jpg[/IMG]EXCLUSIVE: Photos of the Underwear Bomb
[IMG]http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ht_Umar_Farouk_Abdulmutallab_091228_mc.jpg[/IMG]Evidence of Missed Signals Mounts
Canadian authorities are also running down leads of any Canadian citizens who have traveled to Yemen, a senior official there said. Awlaki, an American citizen who lives in Yemen, has been connected by authorities to the accused Northwest bomber, the accused shooter at Fort Hood and several other men convicted of terrorist activity in the United States and Canada.
As part of the additional scrutiny, federal agents are conducting extensive background checks on every passenger who flew to Detroit on the Northwest flight in case one of them might have been sent as a "spotter" on the mission. Federal agents also tell ABCNews.com they are attempting to identify a man who passengers said helped Abdulmutallab change planes for Detroit when he landed in Amsterdam from Lagos, Nigeria. [COLOR=Red][B]Authorities had initially discounted the passenger accounts, but the agents say there is a growing belief the man have played a role to make sure Abdulmutallab "did not get cold feet." [/B][/COLOR]
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:lol: I can't do that, the internet has already allowed :runningman: to multiply into :runningman: :runningman::runningman::runningman::runningman::runningman::runningman::runningman:
thanks to grainy youtube footage and wikipedia based physics. No more bloggers who think they are Woodward and Berstein. There are altready enough basement dwelling 'experts' :lol:
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I thought you where the copy and paste king of wikipedia:lol:
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[QUOTE=runningman;847147] [COLOR=Red][B]Authorities had initially discounted the passenger accounts, but the agents say there is a growing belief the man have played a role to make sure Abdulmutallab "did not get cold feet." [/B][/COLOR][/QUOTE]
:lol: 'did not get cold feet' != angel who escorted him past everyone involved in security :lol:
Put your jump to conclusions mat away!!
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I was posting that for Toasty so that when he reads it he can say
Runningman You Were Right!!
[IMG]http://the3xgp.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/ok-youre-right-single-cover.jpg[/IMG]
Well my work on this thread is done! Bag him and tag him.
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Reminds me off them suicide bombers in Russia who took over that school. Putin sent in special forces and the bombers where running away. Sounds like they didn't quite understand the concept.
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[QUOTE=runningman;847156]I was posting that for Toasty so that when he reads it he can say
Runningman You Were Right!![/QUOTE]
Don't get your hopes up. First of all, an interview of a dude on Infowars.com/prisonplanet.net/batshitcrazy.biz isn't particularly persuasive to me. I didn't listen to the whole interview, so maybe you can give me the cliff's notes version, but I'm fuzzy on how he could be in a position to learn that he didn't have his passport in the first place. It's not that I don't believe this guy [I]per se[/I], I'm just not convinced that he saw what he thought he saw or that it leads to the conclusions that you and your merry band of nutjobs seek to draw. Was he behind him in line at the ticket counter or something? That's the only time I take out my passport when I'm traveling.
For instance, let's take a face value that he was in the presence of a "sharp dressed man." WTF does that even mean? Even if you assume that this "sharp dressed man" was an accomplice, it is quite a stretch to go from that to "the US government put a known terrorist on this plane with the intent that he try to detonate a bomb once on board."
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even the 'eye witness' on their blog states that he doesnt think the gov intnetntioanly tried to blow the plane:
[B]Thursday, January 28, 2010[/B]
[B] [URL="http://haskellfamily.blogspot.com/2010/01/truth-about-flight-253-has-been.html"]THE TRUTH ABOUT FLIGHT 253 HAS BEEN REVEALED- By Kurt Haskell[/URL] [/B]
Edited January 29, 2009
***Please note that in the article that follows, I am not claiming that the U.S. Government knew Mutallab had a bomb or intended to hurt anyone on Flight 253 when the U.S. Government let him board.
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of course.. he is a lawyer. It is called a disclaimer to cover his ass he doesn't want to end up dead now does he? Making a public statement saying the US gov't tried to take down the plane would be a sure way to lose his job and possibly assasinated.
So we are in agreement that the US gov't let him on board then? That Mutallab sure did sell a lot of body scanners.
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[QUOTE=runningman;847212]of course.. he is a lawyer. It is called a disclaimer to cover his ass he doesn't want to end up dead now does he? Making a public statement saying the US gov't tried to take down the plane would be a sure way to lose his job and possibly assasinated. .[/QUOTE]
but by merely claiming that the government are covering up the whole thing - thats not a cause for assassination?? the US government must have guidelines for those kind of distinctions.
(Im pretty sure he owns his law firm, but I'm sure the government could oranize to win every case against him, thus ruining his reputation and casuing a loss of job??)