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[QUOTE=runningman;840317]This story is would be so funny if it wasn't so incedibly sad.

The US is now in charge of people who want to board Canadian flights. You see this is why I am so against your police state!!!

[URL]http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/gets+which+Canadians/2639893/story.html[/URL][/QUOTE] I have no problem with that. If you're getting on a plane in Canada headed to the United States, we get a say in whether we want your ass here or not. Works for me...

And I'm glad they're putting those full body scanners in airports. It's about damn time. I don't care if there is someone in the back room wanking it to my x-rayed body; they could already do that in all the hospitals.

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"wanking"

:roflmao: nearly spit out my coffee... :roflmao:

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Hey Miro you been freeze dried or done hard time ain't seen you here since Christmas

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[QUOTE=Miroslav;841024][B]I have no problem with that. If you're getting on a plane in Canada headed to the United States[/B], we get a say in whether we want your ass here or not. Works for me... [/QUOTE]

Of course you would Miro.. because communists don't believe in things like country soveriegn rights. I mean the US should be in charge of everything!! It also states that if we are flying over the US to say get to the Bahamas w have to have a US pass.. What a fucking joke!

[B][I]"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

[/I][/B]^^^^Where does it say " I have nothing to hide".. Unless you are saying that the pressures we face today were more then the founding fathers??

If you Americans want to put a camera up your ass that is your issue leave the rest of us out of it.

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[QUOTE=runningman;841030]"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."[/QUOTE]

The US Constitution doesn't apply to Canadians flying over us

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I never said it did. I was just reminding you guys how far from the tree of freedom you have fallen from.

Look let me get something straight for the 1 millionth time. I love US people. Hands down they are the best people on the planet.. giving, loving, accepting, caring. all those things. But the corrupt elite is what I talk about when I say negative things and they take advantage of the accepting part.

You see unless you are smarter then Geroge Washington I'm pretty sure those rules were put in place for a reason. Like Miro said is a previous thread when the constituiton was writter the world was in some "real" chaos. It isn't like 9/11 changed the world that much that you have to throw all your freedoms away and replace it with "what do I have to hide"

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I think you should be bitching about the Sudanese gov't and whats going on in Darfur instead of the US if you are so concerned about corrupt elite....

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^Right, or maybe Italy or Russia every now and again at least :lol:

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[QUOTE=runningman;841030]Of course you would Miro.. because communists don't believe in things like country soveriegn rights. I mean the US should be in charge of everything!! It also states that if we are flying over the US to say get to the Bahamas w have to have a US pass.. What a fucking joke![/QUOTE]

When you say that communists don't believe in things like a country's sovereign rights, wouldn't those rights include the right to control who uses your airspace? You can't be a cheerleader for the rights of a sovereign while taking the position that every country should be required to let whomever use their airspace, no questions asked. It's inconsistent.

Pretty sure we have to get permission from you all when we use your airspace, by the way. I'd be stunned to learn anything to the contrary. It's an incident to the very nature of respect of sovereignty.

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no no you don't get it. you are trying to use a play on words. The US actually won't allow you on the plane if you are flying to the bahamas. Canada doesn't have the power to not let a US citizen on board if you are flying to Alaska.,

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^ Fly out from Nova Scotia :D

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[QUOTE=runningman;841535]no no you don't get it. you are trying to use a play on words. The US actually won't allow you on the plane if you are flying to the bahamas. Canada doesn't have the power to not let a US citizen on board if you are flying to Alaska.,[/QUOTE]

I am not trying to use a play on anything, whatever the hell that means. And what does it mean to have a "US Pass?" In the abstract, though, Canada can place whatever restrictions on the use of its airspace it deems appropriate, I guarantee you.

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nope. you're wrong

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Of COURSE Canada can set conditions on who can fly over what in their airspace. Stop being blatantly stupid just to disagree. Its getting old. :roll:

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[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_airspace[/url]

Canada already restricts airspace on 5 different levels. It wouldn't be tough to add a Class H for Anti-Upper-Class-Americans

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Canada can't tell a US citizen he is not allowed on a plane when he/she is flying to Alaska. No we can't.

I'm not being difficult. Yes we do control our airspace and if someone from the US comes across in an air balloon then we can do something yes of course

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Why can't Canada tell an American that they can't fly through their airspace? What does the US know about airspace that Canada doesn't?

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I'm not talking about individual planes.. i'm talking about passengers getting on airliners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[QUOTE=runningman;841642]Canada can't tell a US citizen he is not allowed on a plane when he/she is flying to Alaska. No we can't[/QUOTE]

Of course, because last time I checked Alaska was a part of the United States, not Canada. :D

[QUOTE=runningman;841644]I'm not talking about individual planes.. i'm talking about passengers getting on airliners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

Germany sure seemed to have control weather I could enter their country when I landed from the US at the MUC airport. The German police officer behind the glass with a stern glare and his gun looking over my passport did a good job at that. Also the group of Asian travelers in front of us they told a few to stand in another line while they looked over their passports with monocles to check if they were in fact legit seemed to reinforce this. Most countries around control who gets into their country by airports. ;)

Also please dont argue 'EYE CANT EVEN GET ON MAH PLANE BEFORE IT TAKES OFF IN TEH CANADA', maybe someone knows something you dont and they have stopped you from boarding BEFORE you took off, rather than AFTER. Either way they will stop you at the source or destination if they have a reason to, US/Canada/Japan/whoever...so this isnt a 'TEH USA IS IMPOZING ITS WILL ON TEH CANADA', its security...

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[QUOTE=runningman;841644]I'm not talking about individual planes.. i'm talking about passengers getting on airliners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

Canada can insist on particular screening procedures on flights that pass through its airspace. This should be obvious.

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I will repeat Canada can't determine who can board US flights. But US can determine who can board a canadian flight.

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That just don't pass the smell test yo'.

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Ok lets recap this topic

The US intelligence allows a guy onto a plane and he is escorted on a plane by a sharp dressed man and he has no passport (confirmed). This guy just so happens to have a bomb in his underwear.
Now a company where former Homeland Security Chief is a lobbiest dicides they should put body scanners in all airports (defying the 4th amendmant).
Now we are talking about how the US can tell Canada who can fly on its flights and Canada can't do that back to the US.

Does that about wrap it up how screwed up this whole topic of body scanners in airports because the intelligence community let him on the plane?

Also why do you think Canada has so much power to tell the US what to do?

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[QUOTE=runningman;841684]Ok lets recap this topic

The US intelligence allows a guy onto a plane and he is escorted on a plane by a sharp dressed man and he has no passport (confirmed). This guy just so happens to have a bomb in his underwear.
Now a company where former Homeland Security Chief is a lobbiest dicides they should put body scanners in all airports (defying the 4th amendmant).
Now we are talking about how the US can tell Canada who can fly on its flights and Canada can't do that back to the US. [/QUOTE]

If you are flying TO a foreign country, you have to comply with their laws. If they want you to go thru a body scanner, or get an anal cavity search and you want to enter the country, either at the source of entry or destination you do it, or you dont enter the country.

If I fly to Thailand with a kilo of coke in my backpack, I'd better expect to look forward to a shitty future in jail and execution in my future. Agree?

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dude what are you talking about?

If I fly from Toronto to the Bahamas the US could say I'm not allowed on the flight because I am passing through their airspace. Even if it is a direct flight (No stops in the US) TO - Nassau direct. Get it now?

I understand the other rules in communist countries.. thanks.

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[QUOTE=runningman;841699]dude what are you talking about?

If I fly from Toronto to the Bahamas the US could say I'm not allowed on the flight because I am passing through their airspace. Even if it is a direct flight (No stops in the US) TO - Nassau direct. Get it now?

I understand the other rules in communist countries.. thanks.[/QUOTE]

nah, you are being dictated to by your gov't and the destination gov't security policies.

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[QUOTE=runningman;841684] Does that about wrap it up how screwed up this whole topic of body scanners in airports [B]because the intelligence community let him on the plane[/B]? [/QUOTE]

Let's dispose of this fallacy right now, because I've seen it spread too many times. Yes, it was an epic failure to allow this dude on the plane, but the "intelligence community" didn't come together to let him on to the plane, he was able to find A PERSON to facilitate him being allowed to board, which is all it takes, unfortunately. Get one person to believe your story and want to help you out, and you're off to the races. I know it's much sexier and in line with your world view to imagine that there was a grand conspiracy to board this guy, but the truth is that this was probably much more lo-tech and straightforward than that.

[QUOTE=runningman;841684] Also why do you think Canada has so much power to tell the US what to do?[/QUOTE]

Sovereignty, the same thing that empowers the US to tell Canada what to do within its airspace.

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[quote=runningman;841699] i understand the other rules in communist countries.. Thanks.[/quote]

wait i thought the usa was communist!!@!@!!!!????:?:

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rm, I'd still like to hear your thoughts on why the USA is able to restrict Canadians from getting on a plane, while Canada isn't able to restrict Americans from getting on a plane. Where's the difference? What enables us to do something that Canada isn't able to do?

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[QUOTE=runningman;841699]If I fly from Toronto to the Bahamas the US could say I'm not allowed on the flight because I am passing through their airspace. Even if it is a direct flight (No stops in the US) TO - Nassau direct. Get it now? [/QUOTE]

Imagine that you were on a no-fly list as a suspected terrorist and you want to fly from Toronto to Nassau, over the US. The US is well within its rights to say, sorry Air Canada, either you usher that dude off of your flight, or you reroute your plane so that you're not using our airspace. We don't have the right to tell you who you can have on your plane in general, but when we start granting you access to our airspace for your convenience, we get to have some input.

If you don't like it, charter your own damn flight and go around.

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^that sounds about rite.

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^^ Oh well thank god it sounds right so it must be true.

why is it that you guys never post link. Credible people would post a link to back up your story.

Toasty you are competely wrong.

Do some of the leg work and come talk to me. I already posted my links now lets see yours. It is easy to just sit there and say"no" or "no way thats crazy"

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directly from your link:

[URL]http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/gets+which+Canadians/2639893/story.html[/URL]

[quote] Secure Flight, the newest weapon in the U.S. war on terrorism, gives the United States unprecedented power over who can board [COLOR=Magenta]planes that fly over U.S. airspace.[/COLOR]

Secure Flight applies to flights to, from or over the United States, from Canada to another country. Flights between two Canadian cities, that travel over U.S. airspace, are excluded, but about 80 per cent of Canadian flights to the Caribbean and other southern points and to Europe fly over the U.S. [/quote][LEFT][COLOR=#000000] [COLOR=Silver] [/COLOR] [COLOR=Black] [COLOR=Silver]Like we've said all along. Its our air, if you want to use it, you gotta follow our rules. Solved.[/COLOR][/COLOR]

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as far as I know nobody is arguing the fact that you guys can tell which Canadian citizens can get on a flight?? We wer arguing that canada can't tell US who can fly on thier flights.

Mutahallab was let to fly on the plane because "they say" they wanted to catch bigger fish.

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runningman, are you ignoring me? :lol:

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[QUOTE=runningman;841726]as far as I know nobody is arguing the fact that you guys can tell which Canadian citizens can get on a flight?? We wer arguing that canada can't tell US who can fly on thier flights. [/QUOTE]

Canada can tell whoever they want to GTFO if they want, why wouldn't they be able to do that? Last time I went to Windsor I had to stop at the checkpoint, air flight would be the same. Maybe no one just wants to goto Canda much and they aren't turning anyone away. :lol:

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[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN_33ojupTc[/YOUTUBE]

So they knew about him and they didn't screen him or pat him down? If you belive that you are a fool.

Damn I love being right... now what's for dinner.

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[QUOTE=runningman;841732]

So they knew about him and they didn't screen him or pat him down? If you belive that you are a fool.

Damn I love being right... now what's for dinner.[/QUOTE]

What does someone getting on a plane who wants to blow it up have to do with the USA enforcing its own no fly zone rules in its own airspace? There will always be gaps in security no matter what gov't it is and whomever is/isn't involved. The issues are unrelated. You are confused.

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no your confused as usual.. I was talking to Toasty. They let him on the plane silly goose. Go back to sleep.

All this talk is for nothing. This is about selling body scanners. Nothing else. It has absolutely nothing to do with safety.

I mean do you really think they are going to try planes again? If they do they are retarded. Nothing like one trick ponies.

You watch soon they will attack buildings because that is the next area where people always are.

Also why all the hate on Canada immigration?? We don't allow terrorists in our country. We have never been subject to a major terror strike. you guys are the ones that let them in not us. So lets stop acting like you have to worry about canadians getting on flights.

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You still haven't denied that the US enforcing who can fly over US airspace is a bad thing, so therefore screening who can, is correct. Thx.

Also selling scanners, really? I'd like the know the actual number of airports these really would ever be deployed in. Only the small number of huge hubs will justify these costwise, so not that much money in the Illuminati pockets.