Here it is for whoever wants to watch it.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCTtJ39RHyA[/YOUTUBE]

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Watched this recently

The War On Democracy by John Pilger

[video=google;-3739500579629840148]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3739500579629840148[/video]#

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part 8 and 9 are just christian propaganda.

Gonna check yours out today Chunky.

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Funny thing with that The War On Democracy film, it was advertised on a movie DVD I hired out from Love Film. Strange

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Now Chunky the CIA doesn't do anything remember what Miro told us...:lol:

What a video.

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Yeah that Duane Clarridge was a real piece of work. He claimed only a few hundred people died in the Coup in Chile. Then went on to say everything was done as part of National Security

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I see all the democrats on here are hiding in their holes. This could be the fall of the democratic party today.

Boy I bet Obama supporters feel really stupid!!

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[QUOTE=runningman;826328]I see all the democrats on here are hiding in their holes. [/QUOTE]

To the extent that this is intended to refer in any respect to me, please don't confuse "not feeling like wasting my time reading/viewing/responding to the conspiracy theory du jour" with "hiding in my hole." Didn't bother to watch it, and unless I exhaust the internet, I doubt I ever will. Just FYI.

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Where is the conspiracy on this one? If Mass goes red it shows that the democrats feel that Obama is a failure. That is the only reason why they would cross over.

Also why is everything I say a conspiracy to you?

Is Gitmo closed? Are the troops out of Iraq? Did he stop the Patriot act?

No those are the real conspiracies.

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^uh you live in Canada so you dont understand, its ok. Those three things each won't happen in the space of 1 year. Impossible no matter who you are as President. Doesn't work that way.

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especially if your name is Obama..;):lol:

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Actually, its especially if your title begins with "President of the United States of America". No president can ever get any of those things done as quickly as you think it can be done, no matter who they are or in what party. Thats the way the system functions.

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In case you haven't noticed. He is the President of the USA. He could order those gitmo doors shut in 3 hours if he wanted to. He also could have pulled out of Iraq like he promised.

What kind of stuff do you smoke? What is with your attitude of " I can't do anything." "The president can't do anything."

What it with your rollover attitude?

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How can you watch so much about the usa and not know anything? This country isnt a dictatorship, it isnt run by a single person who can do whatever the fuck he wants whenever he wants.

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Ohh so let me get this straight. He can bomb a sovereign country like Yemen, or Bush did with Iraq, but he can't close a US jail.. right right.

He can send the troops but he can't pull them out..:Bingo:

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yes yes yes. congress congress congress. the president is not a dictator. but you do a great job of overlooking that part since it doesnt fit your the_usa_is_the_cause_of_all_of_the_worlds_problems_and_is_horrible agenda.

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Congress?? Bush didn't get a declaration of war to go into Iraq. Obama didn't get a declaration of war to bomb Yemen. The USA bypasses congress because all the president has to say is that you are liberators their on the local gov't behalf.

For the record you guys are fucking it up.

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the us isnt the only one fighting overseas last time i checked. also i think we've talked about this before. the president does not make every decision that is on behalf of the government everywhere, everyday. right?

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;826628]the us isnt the only one fighting overseas last time i checked [/QUOTE]

You got someone else in mind or just the little helpers:?:

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i guess just the little helpers since it seems the us always has to lead on anything going on in the world anymore and everyone else just chips in here and there. i love the report about France bitching that the usa is trying to 'take over' in haiti. probably trying to cover up for their 25 troops they sent instead.

i guess the other countries need do something about it if they dont like what they see. sitting back isn't going to do much.

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;826635]i guess just the little helpers since it seems the us always has to lead on anything going on in the world anymore and everyone else just chips in here and there. i love the report about France bitching that the usa is trying to 'take over' in haiti. probably trying to cover up for their 25 troops they sent instead.

i guess the other countries need do something about it if they dont like what they see. sitting back isn't going to do much.[/QUOTE]

I think the US government has acted like the big boy going around the world beating on the little kids and stealing their sweets. The little helper just go's along because they know they will get something out of it. According to the Iraq Commission Tony Blair had already agreed with George Bush to go to war before he consulted anyone else in his cabinet. You think the US doing the rest of the world by taking the lead as you put it?

Maybe you should watch John Pilger's The War On Democracy.

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Beating, or they are agreeing because, they can get something out of it like you say, or agree? Those last two things I think sound most plausible to me....

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I dosn't make it right though

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yes...good so can the 95% of topics in this forum about the usa being the biggest piece of shit in the world be substituted this year for places like:

Afghanistan Albania Algeria Andorra Angola Antigua and Barbuda Argentina Armenia Australia Austria Azerbaijan Bahamas, The Bahrain Bangladesh Barbados Belarus Belgium Belize Benin Bhutan Bolivia Bosnia and Herzegovina Botswana Brazil Brunei Bulgaria Burkina Faso Burma Burundi Cambodia Cameroon Canada Cape Verde Central African Republic Chad Chile China Colombia Comoros Congo (Brazzaville) Congo (Kinshasa) Costa Rica Cote d'Ivoire Croatia Cuba Cyprus Czech Republic Denmark Djibouti Dominica Dominican Republic East Timor (see Timor-Leste) Ecuador Egypt El Salvador Equatorial Guinea Eritrea Estonia Ethiopia Fiji Finland France Gabon Gambia, The Georgia Germany Ghana Greece Grenada Guatemala Guinea Guinea-Bissau Guyana Haiti Holy See Honduras Hong Kong Hungary Iceland India Indonesia Iran Iraq Ireland Israel Italy Jamaica Japan Jordan Kazakhstan Kenya Kiribati Korea, North Korea, South Kosovo Kuwait Kyrgyzstan Laos Latvia Lebanon Lesotho Liberia Libya Liechtenstein Lithuania Luxembourg Macau Macedonia Madagascar Malawi Malaysia Maldives Mali Malta Marshall Islands Mauritania Mauritius Mexico Micronesia Moldova Monaco Mongolia Montenegro Morocco Mozambique Namibia Nauru Nepal Netherlands Netherlands Antilles New Zealand Nicaragua Niger Nigeria North Korea Norway Oman Pakistan Palau Palestinian Territories Panama Papua New Guinea Paraguay Peru Philippines Poland Portugal Qatar Romania Russia Rwanda Saint Kitts and Nevis Saint Lucia Saint Vincent and the Grenadines Samoa San Marino Sao Tome and Principe Saudi Arabia Senegal Serbia Seychelles Sierra Leone Singapore Slovakia Slovenia Solomon Islands Somalia South Africa South Korea Spain Sri Lanka Sudan Suriname Swaziland Sweden Switzerland Syria Taiwan Tajikistan Tanzania Thailand Timor-Leste Togo Tonga Trinidad and Tobago Tunisia Turkey Turkmenistan Tuvalu Uganda Ukraine United Arab Emirates United Kingdom Uruguay Uzbekistan Vanuatu Venezuela Vietnam Yemen Zambia Zimbabwe

thanks.

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;826657]yes...good so can the 95% of topics in this forum about the usa being the biggest piece of shit in the world be substituted this year for places like:

mexico brazil spain germany france japan korea istanbul turkey romania moldova tibet china etc

thx.[/QUOTE]

I think you are mixing up the country with the government. Did any of them countries listed invade another country in the last 30 years or try and over throw Democratically elected governments murdering thousands of innocent people.

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since we've set a 30 year cutoff that probably conveniently excludes some from the list. Also one year ago today, we elected a new leader and with that the hope of a new gov't remember?

im just saying i think everyone here besides you and runningman are tired of hearing just about the usa and that we are the cause of Every Bad Thing In The World™

Time to talk about something else eh? But since this direct question is going to be side-stepped and not answered, I will quit responding now.

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;826669]since we've set a 30 year cutoff that probably conveniently excludes some from the list. Also one year ago today, we elected a new leader and with that the hope of a new gov't remember?

im just saying i think everyone here besides you and runningman are tired of hearing just about the usa and that we are the cause of Every Bad Thing In The World™

Time to talk about something else eh? But since this direct question is going to be side-stepped and not answered, I will quit responding now.[/QUOTE]

Ok since the Second world War.

There is a direct question in there:what

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2000 – present

[LIST] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_South_Ossetia_War"]2008 invasion of Georgia[/URL] by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia"]Russia[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_invasion_of_Anjouan"]2008 invasion of Anjouan[/URL] by the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Union"]African Union[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_involvement_in_Somalia#2006_involvement"]2006 invasion of Somalia[/URL] by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopia"]Ethiopia[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_operations_of_the_2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict"]2006 invasion of Lebanon[/URL] by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel"]Israel[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq"]2003 invasion of Iraq[/URL] by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States"]United States[/URL]-led coalition [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_%282001%E2%80%93present%29"]2001 invasion of Afghanistan[/URL] by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States"]United States[/URL]-led coalition [/LIST] 1946 – 1999

[LIST] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kargil_War"]1999 invasion of India[/URL] by the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan"]Pakistan[/URL] Army, the paramilitary [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Light_Infantry"]Northern Light Infantry[/URL], and other [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irregular_military"]irregulars[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eritrean-Ethiopian_War"]1998 invasion of Ethiopia[/URL] by Eritrea [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Haiti"]1994 invasion of Haiti[/URL] by a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Uphold_Democracy"]multinational force (MNF)[/URL] led by the United States [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Cay"]1993 invasion of Spratly Islands[/URL] by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Republic_of_Vietnam"]Vietnam[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War"]1991 invasion of Kuwait and southern Iraq[/URL] by a coalition force of 34 nations led by the United States [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Kuwait"]1990 invasion of Kuwait[/URL] by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq"]Iraq[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberian_Civil_War"]1989 invasion of Liberia[/URL] launched from [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%B4te_d%27Ivoire"]Côte d'Ivoire[/URL] by the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Patriotic_Front_of_Liberia"]National Patriotic Front of Liberia[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_invasion_of_Panama"]1989 invasion of Panama[/URL] by the United States [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Island_Skirmish_%281988%29"]1988 invasion of Spratly Islands[/URL] by Vietnam [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Grenada"]1983 invasion of Grenada[/URL] by the United States and allied [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean"]Caribbean[/URL] nations [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lebanon_War"]1982 invasion of Lebanon[/URL] by Israel [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War"]1982 invasion of Falkland Islands[/URL] initially by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina"]Argentine[/URL] civilians, followed by official Argentina forces [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War#Invasion_and_repulse"]1980 invasion of Iran[/URL] by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq"]Iraq[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Afghanistan"]1979 invasion of Afghanistan[/URL] by the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union"]Soviet Union[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Thailand_since_1973#A_return_to_military_rule"]1979–1988 invasions of Thailand[/URL] by Vietnam [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War"]1979 invasion of Northern Vietnam[/URL] by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China"]China[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda-Tanzania_War"]1979 invasion of Uganda[/URL] by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanzania"]Tanzania[/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_National_Liberation_Front"]Ugandan exiles[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian-Vietnamese_War"]1978 invasion of Cambodia[/URL] by Vietnam, with Soviet support [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda-Tanzania_War"]1978 invasion of Tanzania[/URL] by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda"]Uganda[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Litani"]1978 invasion of Lebanon[/URL] by Israel [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot#Conflict_with_Vietnam"]1977 invasion of Cambodia[/URL] by Vietnam [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogaden_War"]1977 invasion of Ethiopia[/URL] by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia"]Somalia[/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Somali_Liberation_Front"]Western Somali Liberation Front[/URL] irregulars [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracel_Islands#History"]1976 invasion of Paracel Islands[/URL] by Vietnam [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_invasion_of_East_Timor"]1975 invasion of East Timor[/URL] by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia"]Indonesia[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_March"]1975 invasion of Spanish Sahara[/URL] by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco"]Morocco[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge_period_%281975-1979%29#The_fall_of_Democratic_Kampuchea"]1975 invasion of Poulo Wai Island[/URL] by Vietnam [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Saigon"]1975 invasion of South Vietnam[/URL] by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Republic_of_Vietnam"]North Vietnam[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_invasion_of_Cyprus"]1974 invasion of Cyprus[/URL] by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey"]Turkey[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hoang_Sa"]1974 invasion of Paracel Islands[/URL] by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Vietnam"]South Vietnam[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War"]1973 Invasion of Israel[/URL] by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt"]Egypt[/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria"]Syria[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viet_Nam_War"]1972 invasion of South Vietnam[/URL] by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Vietnam"]North Vietnam[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1971"]1971 invasion of East Pakistan[/URL] by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India"]India[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_War"]1971 invasion of Laos[/URL] by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Vietnam"]South Vietnam[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_Incursion"]1970 invasion of Cambodia[/URL] by the United States and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Vietnam"]South Vietnam[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Czechoslovakia_%281968%29"]1968 invasion of Czechoslovakia[/URL] by the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact"]Warsaw Pact[/URL] led by the Soviet Union [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tet_Offensive"]1968 invasion of South Vietnam[/URL] by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Vietnam"]North Vietnam[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Civil_War#Civil_War"]1967 invasions of Biafra[/URL] by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria"]Nigeria[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Civil_War#Civil_War"]1967 invasions of Nigeria[/URL] by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biafra"]Biafra[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War"]1967 invasion of Egypt, Syria, and Jordan[/URL] by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel"]Israel[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gibraltar#Indian_retaliation"]1965 invasion of Pakistan[/URL] by India [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gibraltar"]1965 invasion of India[/URL] by Pakistan Army and irregulars [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Power_Pack"]1965 invasion of Dominican Republic[/URL] by United States and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_American_States"]OAS[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kokkina_exclave"]1964 invasion of the Turkish Cypriot Enclave Kokkina[/URL] by Cyprus and Greece [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War"]1962 invasions of South Vietnam[/URL] by the United States [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_New_Guinea#Indonesian_control_and_resistance"]1961 invasion of Netherlands New Guinea[/URL] by Indonesia [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Goa"]1961 invasion of Goa[/URL] by India [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_invasion"]1961 invasion of Cuba[/URL] by Cuban allies of the United States, particularly its [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA"]CIA[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Vietnamese_invasion_of_Laos"]1958 invasion of Laos[/URL] by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Vietnam"]North Vietnam[/URL] [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1956_Hungarian_Revolution#Soviet_intervention_of_November_4"]1956 invasion of Hungary[/URL] by the Soviet Union [][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1956_Suez_War#Invasion"]1956 invasion of Egypt[/URL] by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France"]France[/URL], United Kingdom and Israel [/LIST]

:D :D

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;826711]led by the Soviet Union [LIST] [*][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Power_Pack"]1965 invasion of Dominican Republic[/URL] by United States and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_American_States"]OAS[/URL] [/LIST]:D :D[/QUOTE]

First one I picked

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[B]United States:[/B] 13 killed 200+ wounded

[B]IAPF:[/B] 20+ killed

1,500 Dominican civilians killed [/QUOTE]

Go wikipedia :lol:

How many of them where invaded because they had invisible weapons of mass destruction or where harbouring terrorists

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you wanted invasions, Wikipedia = quickest answer. but you must be ignoring all the lines that dont contain USA in them :D

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;826743]you wanted invasions, Wikipedia = quickest answer. but you must be ignoring all the lines that dont contain USA in them :D[/QUOTE]

Yeah I knew you would say that. Have atually read any of the others:?:

How many of them where invaded because they had invisible weapons of mass destruction or where harbouring terrorists. Most of the ones I've gone through are disputes over sovereignty or dispute with neighbouring country's. You excluded coup's:lol:

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statement:

Did any of them countries listed invade another country in the last 30 years or try and over throw Democratically elected governments murdering thousands of innocent people.

response:

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;826964]statement:

I haven't read about all the others because i dont really care. I was proving my point.[/QUOTE]

So you wanted to talk about somewhere else but you don't care about anywhere else anyway.:what

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statement:

Did any of them countries listed invade another country in the last 30 years or try and over throw Democratically elected governments murdering thousands of innocent people.

I gave you a list. Thats it.

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You mean you copy and pasted a list that you didnt read.:lol: you seem to like copy and pasting lists:lol: Which country appeared on the list the most?

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you assume the list is for the most part correct, as far as a list from wikipedia is concerned, with or without reading it right? i thought this whole mess right now was that other countries other tha the usa do bad things. so that is a moot point.

7 Vietnam 5 United States 5 Israel 4 United States-led coalition 4 North Vietnam 3 South Vietnam 3 India 2 Soviet Union 2 Iraq 2 Indonesia 1 allied Caribbean nations 1 Western Somali Liberation Front irregulars 1 Warsaw Pact led by the Soviet Union 1 United Kingdom 1 Ugandan exiles 1 Uganda 1 Turkey 1 Tanzania 1 Syria 1 Somalia 1 Russia 1 Pakistan Army 1 OAS 1 Nigeria 1 Morocco 1 Liberia 1 India Pakistan Army 1 Greece 1 France 1 Ethiopia 1 Eritrea 1 Egypt 1 Cyprus 1 Cuban allies of the United States, particularly its CIA 1 China 1 Biafra 1 Argentine civilians 1 African Union

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;827018]you assume the list is for the most part correct, as far as a list from wikipedia is concerned, with or without reading it right? i thought this whole mess right now was that other countries other tha the usa do bad things. so that is a moot point.

7 Vietnam 5 United States 5 Israel 4 United States-led coalition 4 North Vietnam 3 South Vietnam 3 India 2 Soviet Union 2 Iraq 2 Indonesia 1 allied Caribbean nations 1 Western Somali Liberation Front irregulars 1 Warsaw Pact led by the Soviet Union 1 United Kingdom 1 Ugandan exiles 1 Uganda 1 Turkey 1 Tanzania 1 Syria 1 Somalia 1 Russia 1 Pakistan Army 1 OAS 1 Nigeria 1 Morocco 1 Liberia 1 India Pakistan Army 1 Greece 1 France 1 Ethiopia 1 Eritrea 1 Egypt 1 Cyprus 1 Cuban allies of the United States, particularly its CIA 1 China 1 Biafra 1 Argentine civilians 1 African Union[/QUOTE]

I count 10 for USA including the United States-led coalition's & 1 Cuban allies of the United States, particularly its CIA. There is also a serious error in your wikipedia list that you seem to of overlooked that you should of noticed.