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'Isrealification' of airports

39 durable postsStarted 2010-01-05Latest 2010-01-15
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[URL="http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/744199---israelification-high-security-little-bother"]http://www.thestar.com/news/world/artic ... tle-bother[/URL]

[B]The 'Israelification' of airports: High security, little bother[/B]

While North America's airports groan under the weight of another sea-change in security protocols, one word keeps popping out of the mouths of experts: Israelification.

That is, how can we make our airports more like Israel's, which deal with far greater terror threat with far less inconvenience.

"It is mindboggling for us Israelis to look at what happens in North America, because we went through this 50 years ago," said Rafi Sela, the president of AR Challenges, a global transportation security consultancy. He's worked with the RCMP, the U.S. Navy Seals and airports around the world.

"Israelis, unlike Canadians and Americans, don't take s--- from anybody. When the security agency in Israel (the ISA) started to tighten security and we had to wait in line for — not for hours — but 30 or 40 minutes, all hell broke loose here. We said, 'We're not going to do this. You're going to find a way that will take care of security without touching the efficiency of the airport."

That, in a nutshell is "Israelification" - a system that protects life and limb without annoying you to death.

Despite facing dozens of potential threats each day, the security set-up at Israel's largest hub, Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion Airport, has not been breached since 2002, when a passenger mistakenly carried a handgun onto a flight. How do they manage that?

"The first thing you do is to look at who is coming into your airport," said Sela.

The first layer of actual security that greets travellers at Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion International Airport is a roadside check. All drivers are stopped and asked two questions: How are you? Where are you coming from?

"Two benign questions. The questions aren't important. The way people act when they answer them is," Sela said.

Officers are looking for nervousness or other signs of "distress" — behavioural profiling. Sela rejects the argument that profiling is discriminatory.

"The word 'profiling' is a political invention by people who don't want to do security," he said. "To us, it doesn't matter if he's black, white, young or old. It's just his behaviour. So what kind of privacy am I really stepping on when I'm doing this?"

Once you've parked your car or gotten off your bus, you pass through the second and third security perimeters.

Armed guards outside the terminal are trained to observe passengers as they move toward the doors, again looking for odd behaviour. At Ben Gurion's half-dozen entrances, another layer of security are watching. At this point, some travellers will be randomly taken aside, and their person and their luggage run through a magnometer.

"This is to see that you don't have heavy metals on you or something that looks suspicious," said Sela.

You are now in the terminal. As you approach your airline check-in desk, a trained interviewer takes your passport and ticket. They ask a series of questions: Who packed your luggage? Has it left your side?

"The whole time, they are looking into your eyes — which is very embarrassing. But this is one of the ways they figure out if you are suspicious or not. It takes 20, 25 seconds," said Sela.

Lines are staggered. People are not allowed to bunch up into inviting targets for a bomber who has gotten this far.

At the check-in desk, your luggage is scanned immediately in a purpose-built area. Sela plays devil's advocate — what if you have escaped the attention of the first four layers of security, and now try to pass a bag with a bomb in it?

"I once put this question to Jacques Duchesneau (the former head of the Canadian Air Transport Security Authority): say there is a bag with play-doh in it and two pens stuck in the play-doh. That is 'Bombs 101' to a screener. I asked Ducheneau, 'What would you do?' And he said, 'Evacuate the terminal.' And I said, 'Oh. My. God.'

"Take Pearson. Do you know how many people are in the terminal at all times? Many thousands. Let's say I'm (doing an evacuation) without panic — which will never happen. But let's say this is the case. How long will it take? Nobody thought about it. I said, 'Two days.'"

A screener at Ben-Gurion has a pair of better options.

First, the screening area is surrounded by contoured, blast-proof glass that can contain the detonation of up to 100 kilos of plastic explosive. Only the few dozen people within the screening area need be removed, and only to a point a few metres away.

Second, all the screening areas contain 'bomb boxes'. If a screener spots a suspect bag, he/she is trained to pick it up and place it in the box, which is blast proof. A bomb squad arrives shortly and wheels the box away for further investigation.

"This is a very small simple example of how we can simply stop a problem that would cripple one of your airports," Sela said.

Five security layers down: you now finally arrive at the only one which Ben-Gurion Airport shares with Pearson — the body and hand-luggage check.

"But here it is done completely, absolutely 180 degrees differently than it is done in North America," Sela said. [B] "First, it's fast — there's almost no line. That's because they're not looking for liquids, they're not looking at your shoes. They're not looking for everything they look for in North America. They just look at you," said Sela. "Even today with the heightened security in North America, they will check your items to death. But they will never look at you, at how you behave. They will never look into your eyes ... and that's how you figure out the bad guys from the good guys."[/B]

That's the process — six layers, four hard, two soft. The goal at Ben-Gurion is to move fliers from the parking lot to the airport lounge in a maximum of 25 minutes.

This doesn't begin to cover the off-site security net that failed so spectacularly in targeting would-be Flight 253 bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab — intelligence. In Israel, Sela said, a coordinated intelligence gathering operation produces a constantly evolving series of threat analyses and vulnerability studies.

"There is absolutely no intelligence and threat analysis done in Canada or the United States," Sela said. "Absolutely none."

But even without the intelligence, Sela maintains, Abdulmutallab would not have gotten past Ben Gurion Airport's behavioural profilers.

So. Eight years after 9/11, why are we still so reactive, so un-Israelified?

Working hard to dampen his outrage, Sela first blames our leaders, and then ourselves.

"We have a saying in Hebrew that it's much easier to look for a lost key under the light, than to look for the key where you actually lost it, because it's dark over there. That's exactly how (North American airport security officials) act," Sela said. "You can easily do what we do. You don't have to replace anything. You have to add just a little bit — technology, training. But you have to completely change the way you go about doing airport security. And that is something that the bureaucrats have a problem with. They are very well enclosed in their own concept."

And rather than fear, he suggests that outrage would be a far more powerful spur to provoking that change.

"Do you know why Israelis are so calm? We have brutal terror attacks on our civilians and still, life in Israel is pretty good. The reason is that people trust their defence forces, their police, their response teams and the security agencies. They know they're doing a good job. You can't say the same thing about Americans and Canadians. They don't trust anybody," Sela said. "But they say, 'So far, so good'. Then if something happens, all hell breaks loose and you've spent eight hours in an airport. Which is ridiculous. Not justifiable

"But, what can you do? Americans and Canadians are nice people and they will do anything because they were told to do so and because they don't know any different."

#1316365Post 2 of 39

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thanks for posting that, that's a great read.. the main reason in my opinion that probably wouldnt work in this country is the "profiling" part [quote]Officers are looking for nervousness or other signs of "distress" — behavioural profiling. Sela rejects the argument that profiling is discriminatory.

"The word 'profiling' is a political invention by people who don't want to do security," he said. "To us, it doesn't matter if he's black, white, young or old. It's just his behaviour. So what kind of privacy am I really stepping on when I'm doing this?"[/quote]

as soon as a minority is pulled up at the first stage they'll be crying for Jesse Jagoff or Al Sharpton and they'll be screaming about civil rights and racial profiling and all hell will break loose.. but, if you've got nothing to hide, shut up, move along and you'll have no worries :)

#1316401Post 3 of 39

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in general I would say looking anxious / distressed is a key thing for airport staff to look for - but that is likely to be the people who have been coerced into something (more like drugs).

Remember those vids of the 9-11 hijackers -they looked calm and confident!

love this line tho: "They don't trust anybody," Sela said. "But they say, 'So far, so good'. Then if something happens, all hell breaks loose and you've spent eight hours in an airport. Which is ridiculous. Not justifiable"

#1316409Post 4 of 39

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that was a good read, certain airports in america have already implemented these processes, especially the larger international airports in larger cities.

#1316421Post 5 of 39

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^^^ i dont believe you will ever get from the car park to the gate in 25 minutes in any US city!

#1316425Post 6 of 39

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^you can with one of these:

[IMG]http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/flyclear10_01.jpg[/IMG]

#1316445Post 7 of 39

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[IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_f_EgQtIcZJU/Ssw8nelR7xI/AAAAAAAAA2s/dstLkypiWN8/s400/body_painting_wrist_barcode.jpg[/IMG]

This one would work best. I mean what do you have to hide??

#1316471Post 8 of 39

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[QUOTE=Steve Graham;821712]thanks for posting that, that's a great read.. the main reason in my opinion that probably wouldnt work in this country is the "profiling" part

as soon as a minority is pulled up at the first stage they'll be crying for Jesse Jagoff or Al Sharpton and they'll be screaming about civil rights and racial profiling and all hell will break loose.. but, if you've got nothing to hide, shut up, move along and you'll have no worries :)[/QUOTE]

this is exactly right. its like when Clooney says from Up in The Air who he gets behind in screening lines, asians, not middle eastern looking guys because of 5 words "randomly selected for additional screening". His companion says "thats racist", he says "i do it because it saves me time"

unfortunately more direct attacks i think are going to have to kill people before anyone will try and change that behavior because they dont want to stop looking politically correct

[QUOTE=floridaorange;821782]^you can with one of these:

[IMG]http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/flyclear10_01.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

also this company went broke already and has been shutdown and no longer offers this service.

#1316472Post 9 of 39

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[QUOTE=runningman;821802][IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_f_EgQtIcZJU/Ssw8nelR7xI/AAAAAAAAA2s/dstLkypiWN8/s400/body_painting_wrist_barcode.jpg[/IMG]

This one would work best. I mean what do you have to hide??[/QUOTE]

henry rollins beat you to this one.

#1316476Post 10 of 39

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;821836]

also this company went broke already and has been shutdown and no longer offers this service.[/QUOTE]

its too bad, the service worked very well...

#1316477Post 11 of 39

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[QUOTE=runningman;821802][IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_f_EgQtIcZJU/Ssw8nelR7xI/AAAAAAAAA2s/dstLkypiWN8/s400/body_painting_wrist_barcode.jpg[/IMG]

This one would work best. I mean what do you have to hide??[/QUOTE]

a voluntary card for business travelers from the US is not even in the same ballpark as an involuntary tattoo barcode, LAME :roll:.

#1316486Post 12 of 39

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I was reffering to what is coming. Body scanners and cameras in your home type shit.. That is all. It was kind of a joke but non joke if you know what I mean.

#1319359Post 13 of 39

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;821842]its too bad, the service worked very well...[/QUOTE]

i guess they had problem getting $ from creditors to pay for the extensive background checks one had to go through. too bad...

#1319360Post 14 of 39

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they were probably put out of business by the companies that make these airport scanners.

#1319362Post 15 of 39

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[QUOTE=runningman;821878]they were probably put out of business by the companies that make these airport scanners.[/QUOTE]

[URL]http://flyclear.com[/URL]

[quote] Clear Lanes Are No Longer Available.
At 11:00 p.m. PST on June 22, 2009, Clear ceased operations. Clear’s parent company, Verified Identity Pass, Inc., was unable to negotiate an agreement with its senior creditor to continue operations. Verified Identity Pass regrets that Clear will not be able to continue operations. [/quote]Why would the scanner companies want these people out of business? I'm sure they didn't get a total pass on any scanning, plus the people in this program were a super small fraction of total passengers, they wouldn't have harmed their business in any way.

Do you really believe all of this stuff you say, or are you really Ashton Kutcher behind this account and we are all going to be Punked here soon? I'm guessing it's just to try and start arguments with people anonymously over the Internets mostly to pass the time.

#1319456Post 16 of 39

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The sooner they can have those body scanners in all airports the better. The technology needs to move on abit though, i hear they are quite slow.

I wanna live in a bleak future of 3 titted hookers and awesome airport security.

[IMG]http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Business/images-2/total-recall-body-scanner.jpg[/IMG]

#1319502Post 17 of 39

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then there's this, lol

[URL]http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/01/05/california.airport.shutdown/index.html[/URL]

[B]Los Angeles, California (CNN)[/B] -- The substance that spurred an evacuation at a California airport Tuesday was simply honey, the Kern County Sheriff's Department said.

#1319512Post 18 of 39

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^airports are stuck in retard mode for probably the next 6 months. idiotic stuff like this is going to keep happening im sure for a while.

#1319529Post 19 of 39

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Will the body scanner be able to see inside of you??

What if the suicide bomber jammed the bomb up his ass?? I mean whatever you can hide in underwear surely you could jam up your ass, right Jenks??

#1319667Post 20 of 39

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well since I am sure you can fit your head in your underwear and your head is 99% of the time up your ass, you would probably be correct

#1319778Post 21 of 39

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[QUOTE=Steve Graham;822243]well since I am sure you can fit your head in your underwear and your head is 99% of the time up your ass, you would probably be correct[/QUOTE]

^this.

#1320006Post 22 of 39

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A very good read. So sad that Stateside airports can't/won't implement some of those seemingly, basic procedures mentioned in the article. Instead, they put forth stupid ideas like nothing in your lap the last hour of flight. Hmmm...what about the first, second, third hours?

#1320060Post 23 of 39

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^exactly

#1320356Post 24 of 39

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[QUOTE=Jenks;821706] That is, how can we make our airports more like Israel's, which deal with far greater terror threat with far less inconvenience. [/QUOTE]

Don't the Israel's restrict the movement of Palestinians in Israel:what

#1320396Post 25 of 39

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neat article... I'd have no problem with that. And I have no problem with full body scanners, either. No technology is perfect, but why not use the best of what we have instead of continuing crap processes that let terrorists through? I don't give two shits if they see my ass on their scanner or whatever. If it helps keeps retarded whackjobs off my plane, I'm all for it. Is it more invasive than the full body pat-downs they do now? They're gonna grope you everywhere anyways.

#1320398Post 26 of 39

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^^yup. i dont give a damn either. i'm one of 5000 people each of the screeners see each day, who really cares, no one out there is that special. if you dont want a full body scan, fine, fly Greyhound.

#1320408Post 27 of 39

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Maybe they could make a start by making sure the passengers have passports.

Great story on CNN by the way in case anyone missed it

[URL]http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/01/06/afghan.terrorists.killed/index.html[/URL]

Anyone actually believe this story ?

#1320415Post 28 of 39

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steve posted about that in another thread :D

the biggest issue with terrorism prevention in the US right now is just too much BS in the government overhead and lack of inter departmental communication.

#1321040Post 29 of 39

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The scariest prospect is not the fact they are breaking up and catching the muppets who are wannabee Al Quaida's whilst busy detecting and only seeing the idiots here, where are the real mccoy the real Al Q, and they must surely be in situ and planning next attack, to me that is the worriest about all this, whilst its fine catching all the muppets what about the REAL bad guys.


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#1321046Post 30 of 39

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[QUOTE=Jhon Butcher;823800]The scariest prospect is not the fact they are breaking up and catching the muppets who are wannabee Al Quaida's whilst busy detecting and only seeing the idiots here, where are the real mccoy the real Al Q, and they must surely be in situ and planning next attack, to me that is the worriest about all this, whilst its fine catching all the muppets what about the REAL bad guys.[/QUOTE]

Who exactly are the REAL bad guys my friend? Mr Bin Laden maybe? If memory serves you had a go at catching him before but he simply got on his horse and fucked off.

What exactly are they doing in situ, planning the next attack? Wtf have they got up their sleeves that's taking 10 years to plan?

#1321158Post 31 of 39

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until this country stops feeling the need to be "PC" on everything and stops worrying about hurting peoples feelings it will always be susceptible to terror attacks or attempts.. stop worrying about "offending" people

and these idiots that are up in arms about body scanners beacuse of people seeing them naked? lmao, its a fuckin scanner you assholes, not x-ray vision to see thru your clothing ffs!

#1321163Post 32 of 39

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How many plane bombings have there actually been in the last 10 years? You would think if the terrorists had a real problem getting a bomb on a plane they would just find another target, shopping mall, bus, train. We hear weekly about suicide bombers and explosions in Afghanistan, Iraq or Israel but why hasn't this trend spread to the west? Its certainly not an epidemic that you would expect from these so called extremists we are at war with.:what We had 9/11, the 7/7 bombings and the Madrid train bombing. The other few incidents appear to be the work of some krank working on their own

#1321266Post 33 of 39

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If you are pro body scanners you are a communist.

I wish I could see Washingtons face if the Brits asked him to get a full body scan.

#1321268Post 34 of 39

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Whats Communist about a full body scanner? And who is Washington?

#1321274Post 35 of 39

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body scanners at airports now. Then it will be at sports games, and any other major venue.

I didn't think you would know reso.

#1321282Post 36 of 39

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there are metal detectors to keep punk ass kids from shooting each other at school already, who cares? you dont need a gun at an nfl game. if you are trying to sneak some pot in and this is what you are worried about you will just have to be more creative.

#1322098Post 37 of 39

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Radical Idea!

Dump the male flight attendants. No one wanted them in the first place.

Replace all the female flight attendants with good-looking strippers! What the hell, they don't even serve food anymore, so what's the loss?

The strippers would at least triple the alcohol sales and get a 'party atmosphere' going in the cabin. And, of course, every businessman in this country would start flying again, hoping to see naked women.

Because of the tips, female flight attendants wouldn't need a salary, thus saving even more money. I suspect tips would be so good that we could charge the women for working the plane and have them kick back 20% of the tips, including lap dances and 'special services.'

Muslims would be afraid to get on the planes for fear of seeing naked women. Hijackings would come to a screeching halt, and the airline industry would see record revenues.

This is definitely a win-win situation if we handle it right -- a golden opportunity to turn a liability into an asset.

Maybe that will fix domestic US terrorism (hopefully it was worth a laugh) :)

#1322126Post 38 of 39

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^Sounds like what Ryanair where proposing for First Class a few years back:lol:

#1322185Post 39 of 39

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:lol:

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