Anyone keeping up with this? I think this exposes the Obama Admin. as whiners. Fox news has always been right winged and so has talk radio, so get over it. It was nice to see the other networks step up recently with the pay Czar interview that shutting out Fox was ridiculous.

It resembles the Latin American socialist countries like Venezuela and Brazil wanting to control the media. If Obama were to succeed shutting out Fox News and talk radio then we'd only have news that the he approves. Just a couple of years ago, I recall the line "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism". I guess that was all bullshit and it really depends on who's in control.

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/23/us/politics/23fox.html?_r=1&sq=fox%20news&st=cse&adxnnl=1&scp=2&adxnnlx=1256432496-kHUS0Fw6QX2yr/IuOdG2aQ[/url]

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^I have two friends that both worked for fox, they were both the biggest air-heads I know, one of them whose Dad owns a cable station in New Jersey helped my friend get the job...

...and most people I know in California agree that one must take "fox news" with a grain of salt because of it's known as the "tabloidy network."

Who I feel sorry for are the senior citizens with dementia and the hillbilly's in the south, who aren't able to distinguish between legitimate news reporting and entertainment...

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all networks have a bias one way or another, and all 4 of them represent "entertainment" with their talk shows and opinion pieces when their not actually reporting the news. I get a little tired of the left and the marginalization of those who would dare to disagree or call them out on their own inconsistencies...it was thanks to Fox that a self-avowed communist/racist in the form of Van Jones was ousted from the President's inner circle after all. More power to Fox (and talk radio).

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Saw this a few days ago, the Media Matters video that is included is pretty telling, IMO.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfOzBqkCiLo[/YOUTUBE]

If Fox isn't going to behave like an actual news organization, I don't know why the rest of us are expected to treat them like one. I don't agree with shutting them out entirely, but they don't really do "news," and I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing that out.

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I like the part where Beck says we'll be living under bridges soon fending off bums with a beer bottle...that's entertainment.

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[QUOTE=vinnie97;801078]all networks have a bias one way or another[/QUOTE]

Is this a fact? I honestly didn't know that...and if that is true, would you consider FOX to be "extremists" with their biases?

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Being a "reputable" news organization like CNN gets you a last place cable news rating. Fox as usual is in first and beats everyone easily. O'Reilly at 8pm beats all the other shows combined. CNN had good numbers when they were attacking Bush into the election. The media needs to get off the Obama bandwagon and challenge government not be a tool of the government. People want the media to give opinions and ask Obama and the government tough questions.

[url]http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/26/cnn-drops-to-last-place-among-cable-news-networks/[/url]

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;801223]Is this a fact? I honestly didn't know that...and if that is true, would you consider FOX to be "extremists" with their biases?[/QUOTE] Are you being serious? MSNBC especially is little more than a tool for the most left-wing admin this country has ever been "graced" with. Have you not seen one of Olberman's tirades? Better that hard questions are asked than to have lapdogs sipping on the kool-aid ad nauseum. Editorialization is done by all news organizations (I can't believe I have to explain this) and of course Fox is going to be made out to be the extremists when their criticism is the loudest since and they are representing the right. They are no more extreme than the czars that O has aligned himself with (and this includes several Mao fans)...I mean, was Van Jones not proof enough of this?

Go FOX!

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[QUOTE=vinnie97;801534]Are you being serious? MSNBC especially is little more than a tool for the most left-wing admin this country has ever been "graced" with. Have you not seen one of Olberman's tirades?[/QUOTE]

MSNBC undoubtedly caters to the left in their opinion programming. The biggest difference between Fox on the right and MSNBC on the left is that Fox draws no distinction between opinion programming and traditional reporting, and you'll occasionally see Olbermann-esque rants coming not from pundits, but from news anchors. I don't think anyone would have any reason to bitch if Fox did regular news but then had Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, etc. doing commentary shows, which is basically what MSNBC does on the left -- normal news + Olbermann, Maddow, Schultz, etc.

[QUOTE=vinnie97;801534]They are no more extreme than the czars that O has aligned himself with (and this includes several Mao fans) [/QUOTE]

This is an awesome quote because it tells me that you (1) like to just regurgitate talking points and (2) evidently don't do your homework. Also, you clearly watch a lot of Glenn Beck, which is telling.

For all of the recent bitching about czars, you'd think that this was a new development. You'd be wrong. "Czars" have been around since FDR, but didn't really grow in prominence until W came into office, at which time they exploded. Clinton had 7 "czar"-posts, Bush bumped it to 31. Obama dropped 3 posts and added 4 new ones, making a grand total of 32. Jesus Harold Christ in a chicken basket, one new czar -- cue scary music here. :roll:

The second part of your comment would appear to be a reference to a joke made by Anita Dunn -- ironically, the same Anita Dunn that [URL="http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/The-Truth-About-Czars/"]dissected and rebuffed the czar claim[/URL] you make in the first part of your comment -- that her favorite political philosophers were Mother Theresa and Mao Tse Tung. Perhaps it wasn't the greatest joke in the world, but I'm not sure how a person could listen to that quote and think she was intending to be serious. She certainly wasn't any more serious than Lee Atwater, from whom she borrowed the quote, but I digress. Relying upon this comment to suggest that Dunn is some sort of Mao-sympathizer is either completely disingenuous or alarmingly ignorant. It is the straw-iest strawman argument I've ever seen.

[QUOTE=vinnie97;801534] Go FOX![/QUOTE]

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fox news makes me sick. "Fair and balanced", what the fuck?

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all [I]news-entertainment [/I](like the compound? lol) on television and the net makes me sick, so i simply don't watch it anymore; am i making a mistake? prefer not have my vision dimmed, disrupted and obscured by the clamor of the 'passing show' tho.

bias, pre-judgemental, and trivial -- the news belittles, misconstrues, sensationalizes and taints the auspicious happenings that take place in the everyday life -- to dead letter crap and such. waste of time.

btw, is there stats out there for the number of americans that come home from work, and their default preoccupation is to have the news on? i often wonder that.

/end vent

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This kinda raises a tangentially related question by the way, something I've been wondering about for quite some time. There's a place I go for lunch pretty regularly, and they always have Fox News on. A gym I used to go to had it on every monitor (before they got individual monitors for the cardio equipment). For the record, it doesn't really affect what I do, because as much as I dislike Fox's approach to "news," it's not so strong that it will get in the way of me having one of the most delicious crepes in the land. Alas, I digress...

Here's the question: do they know? For people that follow politics, Fox News typically stirs up pretty strong feelings on one side or the other, but I wonder if the general public attaches that same kind of significance to it. I always wonder when I go into a place that has it on if it is part of a conscious effort to reach out to a particular demographic, or if they just put it on without giving it a lot of thought?

I know some on the right don't like CNN, but it is nowhere near the vitriol that Fox engenders amongst those on the left. Seems an odd move from a pure business standpoint, particularly around where I live which is overwhelmingly democratic -- I wouldn't expect most bars and restaurants to openly profess their political affiliation for fear of scaring away customers, but running Fox News isn't really that far away from that, at least for libs.

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^All I can come up with at this hour is that they literally air fox for the pure entertainment aspect of it...and if that's not why, then you got me, that is indeed strange.

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;801040]^I have two friends that both worked for fox, they were both the biggest air-heads I know, one of them whose Dad owns a cable station in New Jersey helped my friend get the job...

...and most people I know in California agree that one must take "fox news" with a grain of salt because of it's known as the "tabloidy network."

Who I feel sorry for are the senior citizens with dementia and the hillbilly's in the south, who aren't able to distinguish between legitimate news reporting and entertainment...[/QUOTE]

Well said. :-)