Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger today signed into law a bill that requires buyers of handgun ammunition to leave thumbprints and detailed personal information with registered ammo sellers, as well as put restrictions on online bullet sales.

“Assembly Bill 962 reasonably regulates access to ammunition and improves public safety without placing undue burdens on consumers,” Schwarzenegger said in a letter explaining his decision.

The new restrictions will take effect Feb. 1, 2011.

Authored by Assemblyman Kevin de Leon, D-Los Angeles, the bill bans direct shipping to Californians who buy bullets via mail order or over the Internet.

Instead, any ammo they buy would need to be picked up at a licensed handgun ammunition dealer, similar to the way guns are currently bought and sold.

The bill doesn’t require a waiting period to pick up ammunition as there is when purchasing firearms. All handgun ammunition must be kept behind store counters.

Ammunition that can be used in both pistols and rifles — like the popular .22 caliber round used by target shooters and small game hunters — fall under the new restrictions.

The bill also would require that those purchasing ammunition provide photo ID and a thumbprint.

The information would be kept on file and made available to law enforcement agencies.

[URL]http://www.redding.com/news/2009/oct/12/gov-signs-ammunition-sales-bill/[/URL]

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stock up before then cali friends.

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roger that

i reckon it's about that time to stockpile

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fucking european bastard. give me my ammo !!

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I used to think they should abolish the right to bear arms. After watching a few Alex Jones films its cold dead hand. :Boom:

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im assuming that if you're a gun lover or an avid hunter and you're not doing anything wrong with your guns you wouldnt have any problem with any of these new restrictions, also, making you buy your bullets locally kind of helps out your local economy.

just sayin.

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there is this thing called self defense as well..;)

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in florida, im allowed to shot at someone if i think im in danger

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of cors its a good thing what the governator is doing i think

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we all know bills like these will continue to be signed, yeah. the state's got a full slate of issues atm anyways, and seeing as though we had to free 55,000 or so prisoners just this year -- due to the cash crisis -- i discerned that it's a very wise measure taken by them. but im still going to exercise my right to bear arms for as long as that right still remains somewhat originally intact, and before it gets even more 'nerfed' by these gradual restrictions. man, it'll sure be nice when we've outgrown/outlived the need for fire-arms. ;)

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So you have to walk into a store and leave your fingerprint in 2011, what's the big deal? I didn't even know it was legal to buy ammo online now frankly?

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nothing wrong with that really. i'm just steadfast with my rights, and a bit cautious regarding it's frequent modifications. i can imagine what the gun obsessives are thinkin right now tho!

online sales ftw. it's not all that different from aquiring cannabis seeds online. :mrgreen:

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^not sure our four-fathers had the internet in mind ;)

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And the Republicans are worried about the Democrats taking away gun rights. Looks like they got to look within their own party now. Time to stock up.

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;797511]^not sure our four-fathers had the internet in mind ;)[/QUOTE]

i'm quite sure they did; they definetly had an abstact vision for something akin to the internet back then. please, our four fathers were quite initiate, and had a plan, purpose and template for our country to endure for ages, you really think their farsight only saw 100 years into the future, technologically?

shit is always complicated though, but i think they had the right things in mind when founding our nation.

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I don't see what the big deal is with this. It's not taking away anyone's right to bear arms. And your right to bear arms already does not give you the right to wield your weapon with complete impunity anyways; the law rightly restricts what you can/can't do with your gun in many ways. Nothing new there.

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[QUOTE=i!!ustrious;797513]i'm quite sure they did; they definetly had a vision for something akin to the internet back then. please, are four fathers were quite initiate, and had a plan, purpose and process for our country to endure for ages, you really think their farsight only saw 100 years into the future, technologically?[/QUOTE]

be honest, you're ripped right now :lol:

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no fgt, i'm not actually, you just troll yourself into thinking that i am. :lol:

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lmfao:roflmao: that sh*t could be in a movie like pineapple express, my response included.

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dude, quit quoting me right after i post, it's lame as fuck. i'm on my laptop atm, and by now you should have realized that i post spontaneously then edit right after like artwork, it's just my way. k thx.

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Didn't realize you were straight freestyl'n G, my bad :shock:

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the problem with this, in case you guys did not hear or just dont give a crap.

who decides when you have too much ammo?

[QUOTE] [B]Man About To Become U.S. Citizen Arrested For Having Too Much Ammo[/B]

May 23, 2009

[URL="http://www.eagletribune.com/punewshh/local_story_135220825.html?keyword=topstory"]This is indecent[/URL] to say the least and it happen in the great police state of [COLOR=#2b4b79][FONT=Arial][U]Massachusetts[/U][/FONT][/COLOR]. Keni Garcia, who recently moved from New [U][FONT=Arial][COLOR=#2b4b79]Hampshire[/COLOR][/FONT][/U] to Massachusetts, [COLOR=#2b4b79][FONT=Arial][U]was arrested[/U][/FONT][/COLOR] and held without bail because he had 30,000 round of ammunition – .38 caliber, 9mm and .22 caliber. He also owns those guns.

Garcia, from [COLOR=#2b4b79][FONT=Arial][U]the Dominican Republic[/U][/FONT][/COLOR] and scheduled to become a U.S. citizen yesterday, was arrested [COLOR=#2b4b79][FONT=Arial][U]while driving[/U][/FONT][/COLOR] his car yesterday. Police found 10,000 [COLOR=#2b4b79][FONT=Arial][U]rounds[/U][/FONT][/COLOR] of ammo in his car. After searching his home, police confiscated another 20,000 rounds of ammo, one .38-caliber and two 9 mm handguns, and $25,000 in cash.

So, where’s the crime? Garcia says the ammo is for [COLOR=#2b4b79][FONT=Arial][U]target shooting[/U][/FONT][/COLOR]. Police say that’s unrealistic. Is it? I don’t think it is and even if it is “unrealistic”, what’s the crime? Is it a crime to possess “too much” ammunition?

[URL]http://mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/2009/05/23/man-about-to-become-us-citizen-arrested-for-having-too-much-ammo/[/URL] [/QUOTE]

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^A .38 and two 9mm's...are you kidding me :roflmao:

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obligatory :lol:

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CipXIx34jTI[/YOUTUBE]

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;797920]^A .38 and two 9mm's...are you kidding me :roflmao:[/QUOTE]

what would i be kidding about?

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^^Come on guy, are you serious? I'm sure he just decided on a whim to purchase 75,000 rounds of ammunition for his new found interest in target practice with his brand new .38 and 9mm. Does that sound normal to you?

But that's besides the point, he wasn't a citizen of the US nor was he licensed to possess those firearms.

[URL="http://www.mass.gov/?pageID=deaspressrelease&L=1&L0=Home&sid=Deas&b=pressrelease&f=may_09_garciaarraigned&csid=Deas"]mass.gov press release[/URL]

[I]Garcia was arrested in Haverhill yesterday afternoon as the result of a week-long cooperative investigation that started with the ATF in New Hampshire, and [B]ultimately included the Massachusetts ATF, ICE Special Agents, Plaistow, New Hampshire Police, Haverhill Police, and the Massachusetts State Police Drug Unit assigned to the Office of Essex District Attorney Jonathan W. Blodgett.[/B] :shock:

The investigation revealed that Garcia, who had driver’s licenses in both Massachusetts and New Hampshire, recently displayed a large sum of cash in an effort to purchase 55,000 rounds of ammunition in New Hampshire. Investigators also discovered that Garcia had recently purchased at least 20,000 rounds of ammunition and three high capacity pistols in New Hampshire, using a phony New Hampshire address to do so. [B]He is not licensed to possess any type of firearm in Massachusetts[/B].[/I]

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when there is a crime involving a handgun the police will now waste more time looking for a bullet that will not be on the list instead of looking for the person who fired the firearm.:(because most people who commit crimes with firearms got them from some cartel funnel or street thug.

i am all for acountability. lets just make sure we are doing the right things the right ways. and a little bit more thought on the subject might help as well.[IMG]http://dgilber2.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/gm071209g-demstarget.jpg[/IMG]

got to love it.

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[QUOTE=i!!ustrious;797928]obligatory :lol:

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[SIZE=6]Most awesome shit i have seen all week.[/SIZE]

"So how is all that change working out for ya...."

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[QUOTE=yesme;797919]the problem with this, in case you guys did not hear or just dont give a crap.

who decides when you have too much ammo?[/QUOTE]

sadly enough...this is only the beginning.:KillYou::Die::Boom:

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[QUOTE=phuck'm-up;798394]when there is a crime involving a handgun the police will now waste more time looking for a bullet that will not be on the list instead of looking for the person who fired the firearm.:(because most people who commit crimes with firearms got them from some cartel funnel or street thug.[/quote] They already get the bullet anyways (in every case they can) - and it's usually not hard, because the bullets are either in someone's head or embedded somewhere in the crime scene. Weapons ballistics are pretty much standard and important components of many gun murder cases by now... So there is no "wasted time."

And the fact that they get the bullets and do ballistics doesn't preclude them from also hunting down the suspects. They do that already, too.

If the bullet is not on the list, then they're no worse off from a prosecutorial standpoint than they are today. If it is on the list, then that can help as part of the body of evidence that can lead to the right conviction.

Sounds good to me. More potential evidence is generally better than less.

As long as you don't go putting your bullets into peoples' heads, you should be fine. It doesn't infringe on your Second Amendment right; you have the right to have your gun, but you've never had the right to do anything and everything in the world you want with your gun and avoid responsibility for it. Nothing has changed there.

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isn't there another rule about if you're on a terror watch list you can't get a gun? and that you can be on that list and not know it because you have the same name as someone else?

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[QUOTE=runningman;798904]isn't there another rule about if you're on a terror watch list you can't get a gun?[/QUOTE]

The black market for weapons doesn't exactly have rules.

[QUOTE=runningman;798904]and that you can be on that list and not know it because you have the same name as someone else?[/QUOTE]

The same currently applies to the 'No-Fly' rule list for terrorists. Another winner!

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[QUOTE=Miroslav;798899]They already get the bullet anyways (in every case they can) - and it's usually not hard, because the bullets are either in someone's head or embedded somewhere in the crime scene. Weapons ballistics are pretty much standard and important components of many gun murder cases by now... So there is no "wasted time."

And the fact that they get the bullets and do ballistics doesn't preclude them from also hunting down the suspects. They do that already, too.

If the bullet is not on the list, then they're no worse off from a prosecutorial standpoint than they are today. If it is on the list, then that can help as part of the body of evidence that can lead to the right conviction.

Sounds good to me. More potential evidence is generally better than less.

As long as you don't go putting your bullets into peoples' heads, you should be fine. It doesn't infringe on your Second Amendment right; you have the right to have your gun, but you've never had the right to do anything and everything in the world you want with your gun and avoid responsibility for it. Nothing has changed there.[/QUOTE]

miro, they are just tracking sales, this in no way will help them id whose bullet is in whos head buddy.

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[QUOTE=yesme;799078]miro, they are just tracking sales, this in no way will help them id whose bullet is in whos head buddy.[/QUOTE]

However, the new law will allow authorities to track who is buying a certain kind of ammo for a specific type of weapon which will be entered into a large database.

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This is actual video from Afghanistan.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-fihUmmPlY[/YOUTUBE]

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Some people should not be allowed to handle3 guns....Here's one example.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qRJzpQXb7c[/YOUTUBE]

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[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykb3Is3Dsmw[/YOUTUBE]