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HAHAHAHAHA:lol::lol:
So Iran apparently built a second nuclear reactor without the rest of the world knowing. WOW.. Do they actually think I was born yesterday? With things like google earth and US spy satellites am I supposed to believe that they built this reactor without anyone knowing????:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Well we better bomb them for sure now eh Toasty and Miro?
Lets hear your reasoning on this one Captain America.
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What's there to reason about? Is this a trick question?
Obviously, the USA did find out at some point about the second reactor being built, or else they wouldn't have made the case at the summit this week.
What's so complicated about this for you?
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this didn't just happen. The media is trying to make it sound like "Oh we just caught them with a second one.."
I forgot you don't understand construction so this is way over your head.
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[QUOTE=runningman;792358]this didn't just happen. The media is trying to make it sound like "Oh we just caught them with a second one.."
I forgot you don't understand construction so this is way over your head.[/QUOTE] What does "understanding contruction" have to do with any of this? That's not even relevant to the point at hand. Get the fuck out of here with your petty little bullshit comments.
The US government could have [I]known[/I] for some time, but they chose not to [I]go public[/I] with it until this past week at the summit. That's probably why the media is suddenly reacting to it, because they just recently found out about it. It is new information as far as the media and the public are concerned, which is why they call it "the news". Get it?
Oh, I forgot you don't understand common sense, which explains why this entire thread is fucking pointless.
I'm out.
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I can't wait to see a picture of you in military fatigues Miro when the next draft happens after Iran is bombed.
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runningman... there's no point insulting anyone here. come on man, chill out. anyhow, if you know how to use google earth, why didn't you find the reactor and report it to someone? ;)
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I know it just comes to a point where subtle jabs and pokes result in me have an angry moment. I can only be called stupid so many times from people that have absolutely no idea of what is going on in the world while they claim that everything if fine.
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[URL]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,556401,00.html[/URL]
this article helps explain how the second site was found...
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[QUOTE=runningman;792757]I know it just comes to a point where subtle jabs and pokes result in me have an angry moment. I can only be called stupid so many times from people that have absolutely no idea of what is going on in the world while they claim that everything if fine.[/QUOTE]
hahah so just because you read the news and put all that emphasis on it that makes you an "expert".....
you sir, have got to be kidding me.
i dont remember people in here saying that things are "fine", there is a lot of difference in acknowledging that the world is fucked up and that there is little that one can do, and another thing is to be someone who keeps calling people stupid just because they don't agree with your constant conspiracy theroies.
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[QUOTE=runningman;792757]I know it just comes to a point where subtle jabs and pokes result in me have an angry moment. I can only be called stupid so many times from people that have absolutely no idea of what is going on in the world while they claim that everything if fine.[/QUOTE] Well here's a news flash for you: the world has never been "fine". It's always been about wars and economic crises and periods of suffering since mankind first crawled out of the cave. And yet life goes on somehow and the sky has not yet fallen.
And we all know what's going on in the world; we do read the news.
I just don't even see what your point is with this thread. What exactly do you think you're telling us about this situation that we don't already know?
At a high level, the situation is very straightforward. The Iranians built the reactor; the Americans found out about it at some point ( no one knows exactly when); and no one knows what exactly will happen in the future as a result.
So what's your point?
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^One could only assume that RM posts these threads so articulate people like you can pacify his fear.
Not saying there's anything pathological with it...necessarily.
Although I do think his energies would be better suited in more of a political problem-solving type arena.
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the problem the rulers have with iran is it's banking system, they dont want interest free central banking to come to the west, thats for sure.
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[QUOTE=yesme;792907]the problem the rulers have with iran is it's banking system, they dont want interest free central banking to come to the west, thats for sure.[/QUOTE] You honestly think that's the real issue here?
What about the fact that a country is about to acquire nuclear weapons that is run by hardline Islamic fundamentalists with a long history of hatred against the West and support of terrorists, and that has a zealous leader who has exercised brutal suppression against his own people and repeatedly denied the holocaust and called for Israel to be wiped off the map?
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[QUOTE=Miroslav;792918]You honestly think that's the real issue here?
What about the fact that a country is about to acquire nuclear weapons that is run by hardline Islamic fundamentalists with a long history of hatred against the West and support of terrorists, and that has a zealous leader who has exercised brutal suppression against his own people and repeatedly denied the holocaust and called for Israel to be wiped off the map?[/QUOTE]
1.yes
btw the israel into the sea thing is not his hatred of jews or of the west, it is the hatred of zionists(israel being a zionist, not a jewish state.) It's hard to understand when you have no clue about whats going on except what you hear thru western media.
Last year americans paid 600 billion dollars in interest on our national debt.
Last year iran's public paid 0 dollars in interest on their national debt.
now why would the owners of the western country's central bank, not want the iranian banking model to catch on in western country's?
you do realize that most central banks in the world are controlled by a handful of people correct?
iran has one of the only central banks in the world controlled by their government and allowing their government to borrow money interest free.
Americans would love to have an interest free central bank, i mean imagine having your income tax bill cut in half or maybe cut out all together?
Iran is one of the only country's openly fighting against a one world zionist banking take over.
but then again, you wont believe it, so just keep on assuming it's about iran getting one nuke, while the people complaining have hundreds of nukes and could wipe iran into the black hole.
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I feel like I'm listening to Neo Cons on here.. Where is the change guys? Radical fundamentalists- Islamic nut jobs. I already read that book during the Bush years.
Remeber Slava when you used to tell me to drop the macho talk back in the day??
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[QUOTE=yesme;792997] now why would the owners of the western country's central bank, not want the iranian banking model to catch on in western country's?
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this has to take the win.
man you have to be serious, please tell me you are not that naive and think for a second that anybody, and i mean, anybody in the western hemisphere would think about adopting the iranians banking system....
like i constantly tell RM, sometimes you come up with statements that are just all out imaginative, and yet you expect people to take you seriously.
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[QUOTE=Cj Tari;793042]this has to take the win.
man you have to be serious, please tell me you are not that naive and think for a second that anybody, and i mean, anybody in the western hemisphere would think about adopting the iranians banking system....
like i constantly tell RM, sometimes you come up with statements that are just all out imaginative, and yet you expect people to take you seriously.[/QUOTE]
your kidding me right?
the iranian banking system alows for the iranian population to not pay interest on their debt.
so in other words, less taxes for them to pay the government.
in other words, your saying, that western populations are in love with paying high taxes, and in no way would we want to switch to a banking system that would mean drastically lower tax bills for all of us.
yeah i can see how americans would just HATE that idea.:roll:
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Economic and financial analyst John McGlynn discusses the U.S. Government’s financial war against Iran’s banking system, the system of blackmail of banks around the world if they don’t fall in line, the example set when Treasury’s FinCen went after a Macau bank for dealing with North Korea in 2005, China’s role and the likely humanitarian consequences for the people of Iran. Download the MP3 Podcast from [URL="http://dissentradio.com/radio/08_03_26_mcglynn.mp3"]here.[/URL]
[URL]http://www.campaigniran.org/casmii/index.php?q=node/4531[/URL]
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Usury is mathematically impossible to pay in a finite money token system. It's also denounced as a capital offense (See: Ezekiel 18:13 KJV). [B]And coincidentally, only Islamic nations categorically forbid usury, to the consternation of the banksters.[/B]
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haha im telling you, its just funny to read some of your posts, ofcourse people would love to stop paying taxes, and shit, they would also love to have free beer every single day, man i wouldnt mind if hookers would be free too, maybe our goverment is also thinking about that, how does that sound to you a "Free Hooker System".........
it is one thing to wish upon a star for shit like this, but once you realize how reality works then you come to the conclusion that some of this shit is just not happening in our country, i mean do you realize the stretch between "people wanting" and "goverment doing" i trully dont think you grasp that idea, please sit down and think about the posibilities of our banking system being changed from what it is to something so unrealistic as this.
im telling you, some of the shit you come up with, is just pure gold man, you are taking the win over RM.
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[QUOTE=yesme;792997]1.yes
btw the israel into the sea thing is not his hatred of jews or of the west, it is the hatred of zionists(israel being a zionist, not a jewish state.) It's hard to understand when you have no clue about whats going on except what you hear thru western media.
Last year americans paid 600 billion dollars in interest on our national debt.
Last year iran's public paid 0 dollars in interest on their national debt.
now why would the owners of the western country's central bank, not want the iranian banking model to catch on in western country's?
you do realize that most central banks in the world are controlled by a handful of people correct?
iran has one of the only central banks in the world controlled by their government and allowing their government to borrow money interest free.
Americans would love to have an interest free central bank, i mean imagine having your income tax bill cut in half or maybe cut out all together?
Iran is one of the only country's openly fighting against a one world zionist banking take over.
but then again, you wont believe it, so just keep on assuming it's about iran getting one nuke, while the people complaining have hundreds of nukes and could wipe iran into the black hole.[/QUOTE] Great. Call me crazy, but somehow I think most Americans and others in the Western world (particularly women) will not be so thrilled to go for the "zero interest" world of Iran when they find out that they have to trade 99% of their basic rights and freedoms that they currently have and submit to the brutal treatment of fundamentalist religious police.
But if you want to live in an Iranian Islamic police state with living standards of the 1950s (sounds like you view them pretty favorably), go right ahead. You guys think things are bad and repressive in the USA right now? Good god.
Interest actually plays a significant role in the economic growth we've experienced over here, as it is one major components of the financial infrastructure that incentivizes and enables resources to be allocated and risk-bearing projects to be funded in a market economy. If the Iranian banking system is so great, then why do you think the Apples and Googles of the world and just about every other major innovation of the last century occurred over here? Over there, they're several generations behind the rest of the Westernized world in terms of standard of living. Yeah, I'd love to sign up for the system that produced that.
[QUOTE=runningman;793014]I feel like I'm listening to Neo Cons on here.. Where is the change guys? Radical fundamentalists- Islamic nut jobs. I already read that book during the Bush years.
Remeber Slava when you used to tell me to drop the macho talk back in the day??[/QUOTE] Hey, as I said above... you think your freedoms are encroached upon here?? You think the G20 protests are bad? Move to Iran or some other nation in the Middle East and see how far you get with the Islamic morality police forces over there. Did you notice what happened to the people who protested against Ahmadinejad and the election results earlier this year?
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nothing like comparing yourself to the ugly guy to make you feel better eh?:lol:
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[QUOTE=yesme;792997]
btw the israel into the sea thing is not his hatred of jews or of the west, it is the hatred of zionists(israel being a zionist, not a jewish state.) It's hard to understand when you have no clue about whats going on except what you hear thru western media.[/QUOTE]
You're a funny person, really you are. Would you like a lesson in Zionism and Judaism?
[QUOTE=yesme;792997]ran is one of the only country's openly fighting against a one world zionist banking take over.[/QUOTE]
Pure bullshit, I suppose you also think the Protocols is a Jewish blueprint for taking over the world.
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[QUOTE] i mean do you realize the stretch between "people wanting" and "goverment doing" i trully dont think you grasp that idea, please sit down and think about the posibilities of our banking system being changed from what it is[B] to something so unrealistic as this.[/B] [/QUOTE]
lmfao
unrealistic as interest free central banking eh?
is it as unrealistic as when our founders put it in the constitution?
you do realize the reason it is in the constitution that only congress has the power to coin money was because of the currency act of 1764 right?
i mean according to ben franklin, usary was the main reason for the revolution.
maybe some history reading outside of school will help you out with this problem.
[QUOTE]Great. Call me crazy, but somehow I think most Americans and others in the Western world (particularly women) will not be so thrilled to go for the "zero interest" world of Iran when they find out that they have to trade 99% of their basic rights and freedoms that they currently have and submit to the brutal treatment of fundamentalist religious police. [/QUOTE]
right, because adopting intrest free central banking means you have to convert to muslim and beat women who show their face outside.
i can see how you hopped to that crazy thought, i can see how not paying interest on OUR OWN MONEY would translate into beating women and kids and converting to muslim.
man how could i not of seen that, i mean when andrew jackson started interest free banking, he also beat women and converted to muslim, man i wish i knew my history of banking like you guys, i could of seen that this banking system has never been used in the us before.
[QUOTE] [FONT=Courier New][SIZE=5][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Britain (during the 1700's) was a very powerful nation but heavily in debt (sound familiar?). Since the Bank of England was formed, they had had a lot of wars (war is great for the economy). So in order to pay the interest on their debt they came up with a program to get money from the American colonies.[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Courier New][SIZE=5][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Unfortunately for Britain, the American colonies decided to print up their own debt free money ([B]colonial script[/B]). The colonies actually flourished at this time as they controlled their own purchasing power and they were essentially free from the Bank of England.[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Courier New][SIZE=5][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]So, The Bank of England got the British parliament to push for the passing of the [B]Currency Act of 1764[/B]. This act made it illegal for the American colonies to print their own money and forced them to pay taxes to Britain in silver and gold (which there was already a shortage of)[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Courier New][SIZE=5][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Here is what Ben Franklin said in his autobiography.[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Courier New][SIZE=5][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][B]"[/B][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][B][I]In one year, the conditions were so reversed that the era of prosperity ended, and a depression set in, to such an extent that the streets of the Colonies were filled with unemployed." [/I][/B][/SIZE][/FONT]
[I][B][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]"The colonies [U]would gladly have borne the little tax on tea[/U] and other matters had it not been that England took away from the colonies their money, which created unemployment and dissatisfaction. The inability of the colonists to get power to issue their own money permanently out of the hands of George III and the international bankers was the [U]prime[/U] reason for the Revolutionary War.[/FONT][/SIZE][/B][/I][B][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]"[/FONT][/SIZE][/B][/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Interest actually plays a significant role in the economic growth we've experienced over here, as it is one major components of the financial infrastructure that incentivizes and enables resources to be allocated and risk-bearing projects to be funded in a market economy. If the Iranian banking system is so great, then why do you think the Apples and Googles of the world and just about every other major innovation of the last century occurred over here? Over there, they're several generations behind the rest of the Westernized world in terms of standard of living. Yeah, I'd love to sign up for the system that produced that.
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you mean the economic growth a couple people over here have benifited from? it's funny people still called dollar bills and plastic china made crap as economic growth.
when the dollar collapses, how much economic growth will you possess sir?
nothing, nada, not a thing.
and standard of living is a perception thing, some people think they live better cause they can choose from mac d's and burger king.
not so much with me, material items does not improve my standard of living so much that i would not want to give them up.
and fyi, in case you have not noticed, the middle and lower class standard of living has been going down since the fifty's.
[QUOTE]Hey, as I said above... you think your freedoms are encroached upon here?? You think the G20 protests are bad? Move to Iran or some other nation in the Middle East and see how far you get with the Islamic morality police forces over there. Did you notice what happened to the people who protested against Ahmadinejad and the election results earlier this year? [/QUOTE]
i could move, or i could remove the people in power that is craping on the constitution and bring the country back to where our founders wanted it.(interest free central banking)
[QUOTE]You're a funny person, really you are. Would you like a lesson in Zionism and Judaism? [/QUOTE]
oh please do!!
let me guess, since my location is not israel, i guess i could not be jewish myself correct? and your going to school me because since i dont live in israel, i have no clue about zionism or judaism correct?
yes, please, school me with your knowledge of something i've never heard about before good sir!!
[QUOTE]Pure bullshit, I suppose you also think the Protocols is a Jewish blueprint for taking over the world. [/QUOTE]
wow, your living in israel and still can not tell the difference between jews and zionists?
i said a one world zionist banking order, and you come back with protocols being a jewish blueprint.
now if i thought it was jewish people only, would i not say, a jewish banking world order?
not big on reading comprehension in school over there eh?
besides, why bring up the protocols? i know you have not read them, so why try to act like you know anything about them other then the fact you were told they were fake.
do i believe the protocols are part of a long standing(even longer then the protocol book itself) plan, by zionists to control the world thru money..............yes
and to be 100% honest with you, it's a great plan, one that will surely come about due to their skillful manipulation of the public in general.
now are the protocols real? imho i think yes, and i'll tell you why.
if you read the protocols and look at how the free western world is ran, you will find that tit for tat, it is exactly how it is in the book.
now it could just be a big old coincidince that the world is the way it is today. untill you do some research that is.
you see man has always wanted to rule it all, this is a fact of life. it's also pretty safe to assume that after 1700+ years, they figured out no one was going to do it by force. the next logical step is to do it without people thinking you are doing it.
but for the record, i will say the protocols are fake, if you can find me a book of fake sports scores written by the same guy;)
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haha yet again, you are priceless man, you cannot even see white from black, so its pointless to argue with you, you're just worst than RM, i can see it now, our world leaders taking a stand and saying, you know what, fuck our wealth, lets take the iranian bank system as an example and put it to work here in our homeland........
im telling you, the free hooker system doesnt even sound that bad compare to your ideas.
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[QUOTE=yesme;793219] right, because adopting intrest free central banking means you have to convert to muslim and beat women who show their face outside.
i can see how you hopped to that crazy thought, i can see how not paying interest on OUR OWN MONEY would translate into beating women and kids and converting to muslim.[/quote] It is obvious enough to see where I was going with it if you consider the fact that Muslims have this concept because of adherence to Sharia law.
I'm also not sure if we're talking about the same thing. Are you talking about only central banks in particular or commercial banking in general?
If you're talking about central banking, then I can find room to agree with you on that.
If you're taking a broad Sharia law approach and talking about commercial banking as well, then I think you're not living in reality. Let's not be so naive as to think that Islamic banks are not collecting a profit for their services and taking collateral as a hedge against risk of non-payment. You can change names and create all kinds of games around it, but at the end of the day it will amount to money coming out of the borrower's pocket into the lender's. And that is my central point: you cannot avoid this feature in broader commercial banking (but you could with central banking).
As for America's economic growth, yes, the nation is probably an empire in decline. Nothing lasts forever. And I never said that it was a paradise here or that economic prosperity was equally shared by everyone (by the way, it isn't in Iran, either). I just said that it has been the catalyst and engine of growth throughout the 20th century, [I]which is very hard to deny[/I]. And that cannot be said of Iran and others in the Middle East. And there is a reason for that.
Seeing as you are very proud and confident in your research on all topics, why don't [I]you[/I] tell me why that has been the case.
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[QUOTE=yesme;793219] oh please do!!
let me guess, since my location is not israel, i guess i could not be jewish myself correct? and your going to school me because since i dont live in israel, i have no clue about zionism or judaism correct?[/QUOTE]
Nothing to do with where you do or don't live, more to do with you talking out of your ass.
Your moronic claim earlier in this thread that Israel is not a Jewish state tells us everything we need to know about you. Zionism is the asperation of the Jews for their own home land in the Land of Zion. The two are intrinsically linked for all believing Jews, and whilst the cult of Neturei Karta are anti-Israel they justify their position by explaining that only when the Messiah comes again should Israel be re-established (although please not that this cult is fewer that a couple of 1000 people world wide).
[QUOTE=yesme;793219]yes, please, school me with your knowledge of something i've never heard about before good sir!!
wow, your living in israel and still can not tell the difference between jews and zionists?
i said a one world zionist banking order, and you come back with protocols being a jewish blueprint.
now if i thought it was jewish people only, would i not say, a jewish banking world order?
not big on reading comprehension in school over there eh?
besides, why bring up the protocols? i know you have not read them, so why try to act like you know anything about them other then the fact you were told they were fake.
do i believe the protocols are part of a long standing(even longer then the protocol book itself) plan, by zionists to control the world thru money..............yes
and to be 100% honest with you, it's a great plan, one that will surely come about due to their skillful manipulation of the public in general.
now are the protocols real? imho i think yes, and i'll tell you why.
if you read the protocols and look at how the free western world is ran, you will find that tit for tat, it is exactly how it is in the book.
now it could just be a big old coincidince that the world is the way it is today. untill you do some research that is.
you see man has always wanted to rule it all, this is a fact of life. it's also pretty safe to assume that after 1700+ years, they figured out no one was going to do it by force. the next logical step is to do it without people thinking you are doing it.
but for the record, i will say the protocols are fake, if you can find me a book of fake sports scores written by the same guy;)[/QUOTE]
I'll let your above diatribe speak for itself, for anyone who puts any value in a forged czarist document claiming that Jews were ruling the world is nothing more than a fucking idiot.
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Yep just I thought Obama knew all along. Look for a late October November attack. That is when the weather cools off in Iran and it will be easier on the troops. They will attack from Afghanistan and Iraq. That is why Obama is moving the troops to Afghanistan.
[URL]http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/54019,news,the-iran-nuclear-bombshell-barack-obama-knew-all-along-about-secret-facility[/URL]
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[QUOTE]Your moronic claim earlier in this thread that Israel is not a Jewish state tells us everything we need to know about you.[/QUOTE]
really? interesting, so who exactly was the balfour declaration made out to then? the jewish people of the world?
what was the stink about the israel flag back then, can you fill us in on that?
[QUOTE]Zionism is the asperation of the Jews for their own home land in the Land of Zion.[/QUOTE]
you dont say, so why no asperation for their own land before zionism? could it be the three oaths perhaps?
[QUOTE]The two are intrinsically linked for all believing Jews, and whilst the cult of Neturei Karta are anti-Israel they justify their position by explaining that only when the Messiah comes again should Israel be re-established (although please not that this cult is fewer that a couple of 1000 people world wide). [/QUOTE]
really?
[QUOTE] [B]True Torah Jews Against Zionism - Our Mission[/B]
The relatively new concept of Zionism began only about one hundred years ago and since that time Torah-true Jewry has steadfastly opposed the Zionist ideology. This struggle is rooted in two convictions:
[LIST=1] []Zionism, by advocating a political and military end to the Jewish exile, denies the very essence of our Diaspora existence. We are in exile by Divine Decree and may emerge from exile solely via Divine Redemption. All human efforts to alter a metaphysical reality are doomed to end in failure and bloodshed. History has clearly borne out this teaching. []Zionism has not only denied our fundamental belief in Heavenly Redemption it has also created a pseudo-Judaism which views the essence of our identity to be a secular nationalism. Accordingly, Zionism and the Israeli state have consistently endeavored, via persuasion and coercion, to replace a Divine and Torah centered understanding of our people hood with an armed materialism. [/LIST]True Torah Jews is dedicated to informing the world and in particular the American public and politicians that all Jews do not support the ideology of the Zionist state called "Israel" which is diametrically opposite to the teachings of traditional Judaism. We are concerned that the widespread misconception that all Jews support the zionist state and its actions endangers Jews worldwide. We are NOT politically motivated. We are motivated by our concern for the peace and safety of all people throughout the world including those living in the Zionist state. We support and pray for peace for the people of the Zionist state but have no interest in and do not support the Zionist government. [B]We seek to disassociate Jews and traditional Judaism from the Zionist Ideology by:[/B]
[LIST] []Providing historical and supporting documentation that Zionism is totally contrary to the teachings of traditional Judaism through the [URL="http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/rabbi_quotes/index.cfm"]words of our Rabbis, Sages[/URL], and [URL="http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/scriptures/index.cfm"]Holy Scriptures[/URL] which oppose the creation of a state called Israel. []Providing historical documentation on the ideaology and creation of Zionism, the supporters of Zionism and the negative impact of their actions on the Jewish people in the past hundred years, including their involvement in the holocaust up to the present day. []Publicizing the efforts of traditional Jews to demonstrate that all Jews do not support Zionism, which is being ignored by the mainstream media. []Convince the news media, politicians and the public to cease referring to the state of Israel as the "Jewish State" but to call it what it is: the "Zionist State". [/LIST]It is our firm belief that when the state of "Israel" is recognized for what it is, a Zionist state which is not guided by the teachings of the traditional Jewish faith, Jews worldwide will be able to live in peace.
[URL]http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/about/mission.cfm[/URL] [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]I'll let your above diatribe speak for itself, for anyone who puts any value in a forged czarist document claiming that Jews were ruling the world is nothing more than a fucking idiot.[/QUOTE]
hey, you dont have to agree with my opinion, but keep the foul mouth to your wife and kids ok.
also if you knew anything, you would know that at the time(late 1880's early 1900's) a zionist jew named rothschild did run most of the world.(and still does till this day).
but i guess if you hide your money good enough, your no longer rich right.
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[QUOTE=yesme;793412]really? interesting, so who exactly was the balfour declaration made out to then? the jewish people of the world?[/QUOTE]
The Balfour Declaration states:
[I]"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."[/I]
And your point is what????
[QUOTE=yesme;793412]what was the stink about the israel flag back then, can you fill us in on that?[/QUOTE]
Er, what? Whether Israel used the Star of David or the Menorah on their flag should confirm to you that Israel is intrinsically Jewish, unless you want to claim that these ancient Jewish images from the Old Testament aren't Jewish symbols?
[QUOTE=yesme;793412]you dont say, so why no asperation for their own land before zionism? could it be the three oaths perhaps?[/QUOTE]
No aspirations? Really? Have you read any ancient Jewish prayers? Obviously not :roll:
[QUOTE=yesme;793412]also if you knew anything, you would know that at the time(late 1880's early 1900's) a zionist jew named rothschild did run most of the world.(and still does till this day).
but i guess if you hide your money good enough, your no longer rich right.[/QUOTE]
Yawn, and btw quoting from a Neturei Karta funded front organisation means what exactly? Jews against Zionism members count for less that 0.01 percent of world Jewry. But you keep quoting cult organisations who represent less Jews than live in a two block radius of my home. Moron!
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[QUOTE]The Balfour Declaration states:
[I]"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."[/I]
And your point is what???? [/QUOTE]
i know what it states, my question, since again reading comprehension is not big over there, was this...
[QUOTE]made out to [/QUOTE]
to make it simply....who was the balfour declaration sent too?
you know, when you send someone a letter you made it out to them.
was the balfour declaration sent to the world jewish leaders? WJO maybe?
[QUOTE]Er, what? Whether Israel used the Star of David or the Menorah on their flag should confirm to you that Israel is intrinsically Jewish, unless you want to claim that these ancient Jewish images from the Old Testament aren't Jewish symbols? [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] [B]Introduction[/B]
[I]Željko Heimer[/I] asked about flag designs he saw in [I]Ha'Degel[/I] ([I]The Flag[/I]), a 1948 Israeli book (in Hebrew) [[URL="http://crwflags.com/fotw/flags/bib-nfa.html#niz48"]Nimtza-bi 1948[/URL]]. The designs were all in blue and white and incorporated the Israel flag in one way or other. I recently located the book at the National Library and found out that these designs are the author's suggestions for a flag for Israel. He explains that since the Zionist Movement as a political movement would still exist, its flag could not become the flag of Israel as a state. In this situation the Zionists in the Diaspora would be using a flag of a foreign nation which would raise the problem of loyalty. So the flag of Hebrew nationalism and Zionism and the flag of the State of Israel should be distinct, but the latter could incorporate the former, as in the designs illustrated. I do not know what was done with the suggested designs in the book, but I read elsewhere that the Provisional Government had this consideration in mind too and for that reason the Israeli national flag was officially proclaimed only in October while the merchant flag was adopted in May. [b]Eventually the Zionist flag did became the national flag [/b]and indeed in some places and times the Zionists had problems. [URL]http://crwflags.com/fotw/flags/il!1948h.html[/URL] [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] [LEFT]Prof. Scholem, one of the greatest Jewish scholars of our time, a researcher of Kabbalah and Jewish mysticism and one of the founders of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, conducted a 50-year study of the history of the Star of David. He published a short summary of the study in 1949, shortly after the symbol was chosen to appear on the new state's national flag.
[b]In his article Prof. Scholem stated that, "The Magen David is not a Jewish symbol, and therefore not the 'symbol of Judaism'." [/b]
[URL]http://www.viciousbabushka.com/2009/05/star-of-david-is-not-a-jewish-symbol-scholar-claims.html[/URL][/LEFT] [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]No aspirations? Really? Have you read any ancient Jewish prayers? Obviously not [/QUOTE]
always next year eh?
wording was wrong, maybe i should of said, why for so long did no one act on those feelings until zionism came along?(nice dodge on the three oaths btw)
and also you know at the first zionist conference, they had 2 other places picked out for a homeland as well, they settled on israel because of the ties there, so it might be easier to get.
[QUOTE]Yawn, and btw quoting from a Neturei Karta funded front organisation means what exactly? Jews against Zionism members count for less that 0.01 percent of world Jewry.[/QUOTE]
according to who? you? got any figures that back you up? cause i have seen 5-10k people protests these guys put together in nyc, which btw has a large jewish population as well.
[QUOTE]But you keep quoting cult organisations who represent less Jews than live in a two block radius of my home. Moron![/QUOTE]
hey, back to name calling, man that feels good eh? well t was fun, sorry you could not bring anything more then an uneducated guess to the table, maybe living there ain't doing so much for understanding your own culture.
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[QUOTE=yesme;793435]i know what it states, my question, since again reading comprehension is not big over there, was this...
to make it simply....who was the balfour declaration sent too?[/QUOTE]
Chaim Weizman.
[QUOTE=yesme;793435]and also you know at the first zionist conference, they had 2 other places picked out for a homeland as well, they settled on israel because of the ties there, so it might be easier to get.[/QUOTE]
No, they were offered two other countries, Uganda and Argentina, neither of which were acceptable. Israel is and was the ancestral home for the Jewish people.
[QUOTE=yesme;793435]according to who? you? got any figures that back you up? cause i have seen 5-10k people protests these guys put together in nyc, which btw has a large jewish population as well.[/QUOTE]
I have also witnessed large gatherings organised by Jews against Zionism and could no doubt count the amount of Jews there on a simple abacus. Jews against Zionism events have a huge following with the left and other anti-Israel groupings.
Now, on to the Star of David, there is ample historical evidence to contradict your above claims that the star is not a Jewish symbol, far more than one source you supplied.
You historical revisionists crack me up, next you'll be telling me there was no Jewish presence in the Land of Israel before the 19th Century.
Come back with real facts and not revisionist bullshit.
And finally someone who lacks basic grammar really shouldn't challenge other peoples language skills. Learn to write moron.
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[QUOTE]Chaim Weizman.[/QUOTE]
so are you just dense or like, do your research skills suck that bad?
[QUOTE]The declaration was made in a letter from [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_of_State_for_Foreign_Affairs"]Foreign Secretary[/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_James_Balfour"]Arthur James Balfour[/URL] to [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Rothschild,_2nd_Baron_Rothschild"]Baron Rothschild[/URL] (Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild), a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_Federation_of_Great_Britain_and_Ireland"]Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland[/URL], a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist"]Zionist[/URL] organization.[/QUOTE]
the declaration was made out to who?
[QUOTE]Foreign Office, November 2nd, 1917.
[B]Dear Lord Rothschild[/B], I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet: [/QUOTE]
you somehow forgot this tidbit right?
[QUOTE]No, they were offered two other countries, Uganda and Argentina, neither of which were acceptable. Israel is and was the ancestral home for the Jewish people. [/QUOTE]
Really? so, by chance WHO offered them the other countries? first i have ever heard they were offered countries, did the countries know they were being offered?
you got any source for this outlandish view?
[QUOTE]I have also witnessed large gatherings organised by Jews against Zionism and could no doubt count the amount of Jews there on a simple abacus. Jews against Zionism events have a huge following with the left and other anti-Israel groupings.[/QUOTE]
as they ARE anti-israel, i would suppose they would have a big following among them.
common sense, it's fun sometimes.
[QUOTE]Now, on to the Star of David, there is ample historical evidence to contradict your above claims that the star is not a Jewish symbol, far more than one source you supplied. [/QUOTE]
let me re-quote again for you, so as you can understand it.
[QUOTE]one of the greatest Jewish scholars of our time[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]one of the founders of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]conducted a [B]50-year study[/B] of the history of the Star of David.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]"The Magen David is not a Jewish symbol[/B][/QUOTE]
now, after conducting a 50 year study by one of the great jewish minds of the 20th century(plus research i have done on my own), or take your word for it.
man, thats a tough one.
roflmfao
get real buddy, if there were plenty of historical examples, are you saying that this dude, doing a 50 year study, somehow missed them all?
really?
did i mention that this guy is having a book about this subject published.............60 years after his death?
guess it is all bullshit eh?
but wait, did the propaganda kick in already?
[QUOTE][FONT=Arial]So, who really cares when the Star of David became a Jewish symbol? If it was adopted as a powerful vehicle of Jewish memory and indentity, if it moves Jews to tears, and if it passes muster with Jewish Law and values; [I]then ahlan ve-sahlan[/I], (and spare me, PLEASE, the silly cow shechting). [/FONT]
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Long story short,[B] this was all well known[/B], and, like you said, doesn't really change anything anyway.[/QUOTE]
[URL]http://myobiterdicta.blogspot.com/2009/05/much-ado-about-nothing-scholem-on-star.html[/URL]
[QUOTE]And finally someone who lacks basic grammar really shouldn't challenge other peoples language skills. Learn to write moron.[/QUOTE]
reading comprehension is not a language skill, and grammer does not keep me from understanding the conversation.
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wow... runningman posts a completely whacked out thread and then yesme hijacks it and turns it into an even nuttier thread. Is this forum great or what. :lol: You two should write a humor book.
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Like I said you historical revisionists crack me up.
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[QUOTE=yesme;793552]quoted for truth brother![/QUOTE]
It surprises me not one bit that a revisionist like you makes up false quotes and attributes them to others.
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really?
exactly what quote is false?
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Your post before last on this thread here is a complete fabrication
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[QUOTE=davetlv;793653]Your post before last on this thread here is a complete fabrication[/QUOTE]
LMFAO
your funny as hell bro!!!
how about you point out what was false, and then use some source back up, we call it a "debate"
we all would love to believe you charlie manson, but source's would be great.
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Nice to know you think in a debate forum you have the right to falsify quotes of other people.
The very nature of the act leads me to believe that you are incapable of debate. Simple. For if a man is stupid enough to falsify such a quote what else is he lying about.
I'm done with you.