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[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PelTWCUmTsU&feature=player_embedded[/URL] [URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LabiJ9LqTU&feature=player_embedded[/URL]
[URL]http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2008/11/21/boston_launches_flu_shot_tracking/[/URL] [URL]http://finance.yahoo.com/news/VeriChip-Corporation-to-Fund-bw-521964248.html?x=0&.v=1[/URL]
do not take the shot, even if you get a phone call from the popo! they cant force us all:evil:
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I brought it up under swine flu vaccine..
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that second Youtube video is HILARIOUS btw :lol::lol::lol:
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[QUOTE=Miroslav;790525]that second Youtube video is HILARIOUS btw :lol::lol::lol:[/QUOTE]
I wanted to ask her where my fries & shake where:lol:
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yeah she's quiet the professional speaker, couldn't handle more than 15 seconds of that... sorry
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really? I'm sorry, but that gal in the second video ruins any credibility for this conspiracy theory. I might take the shot just because that whackjob is telling me not to.
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here we go again.. I find it funny how easily distracted you get Toasty. You find one wrong video and bundle it all up together into a conspiracy.. what are we now shot'ers, vaccin'ers to keep up with your 'er liberal wack job media sound bites.
Why not talk about the Boston article instead?
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I'd say my post was about one half serious and one half "who really cares," but you have to appreciate that that woman sounds like a fucking lunatic.
And for the record, I think the idea of noting who has and has not had the shot has a distinct big brother vibe to it, and I'm not in favor of it at all. I have a feeling, though, that this is an instance of someone overreaching with a program without fully thinking through the civil liberty aspects of what they were doing, and then another group overreaching even more in being critical of that first group, cobbling together material to trump this up into something that it's not.
Concentration camps, FFS? Give me a break...
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I don't like her video either but there is a lot of fucked up information out there on the vaccines.
What we are probably going to see is that the cases will increase as the vaccine starts being adminstered. The vaccine is much worse then the swine flu. You only have a .3% of dying from swine flu even if you get it!!
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[QUOTE=runningman;790760] The vaccine is much worse then the swine flu. You only have a .3% of dying from swine flu even if you get it!![/QUOTE]
I have a feeling I'm going to regret asking this, but in what respect? What chance of dying is there from taking the vaccine? If it's like most flu shots, and there's something wrong with it, don't you just get the flu? Worst case scenario, you get that which you were trying to avoid, which you might have gotten anyway.
My (admittedly rudimentary) understanding of this and most other vaccinations is that is basically works by giving you a really small dose of the virus (or a dead version of the virus?), which your body's immune system then fends off, leaving you with immunity to that strain of the virus. If the vaccine fails, it's not like your leg falls off or you get heart disease or something, you get the flu. FFS they come out with a new flu vaccine every single year, always without the sort of long-term testing that you would normally see for a pharmaceutical product because of the time sensitivity of the matter and I'm pretty sure that the reason that is allowed to happen is based at least in part upon the relatively mild downside of administering the vaccine.
For all of the flu shots that have been administered in the past, I don't know that I've ever seen this level of hysteria. You would be hard-pressed to find someone with less love for the pharmaceutical industry than me, but come on, let's try to have some perspective. Big brother concerns aside, from a health standpoint, it's a fucking flu shot. Let's all calm down...
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To be honest I don't have time to get into it but long story kind of short you don't know what you are getting with this vaccine.
Not tested You can't sue if it fucks you up
Also this isn't a flu shot this is an AH1N1 shot, not seasonal flu so don't try to down play it. Complications from vaccines are quite common. Look up Gardasil and see for yourself what happened with the HPV vaccine. Also it is reported that Baxter and Novartis will use squalene in the vaccine which is the cause of Gulf War Syndrome from the Anthrax vaccine.
A story is coming out of LA of a Mossad agent Joseph Moshe who was trying to warn the public that the flu shot was going to used as a mass genocide weapon. He got arrested on the way to the Israeli Consolate by the Secret Service who used 5 cans of tear gass and other means to get him out of his car. He was taken away smeared with the obvious mental health issues and he apparently threatened to blow up the White House. This was in LA though, he was know where near the White House. Does this look like the protocol of a person with mental health issues? Check it out and decide for yourself.
Also apparently Professor Moshe had called into a live radio show by [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RtFIIeoI7I"]Dr. A. True Ott[/URL], broadcast on Republic Broadcasting claiming to be a microbiologist who wanted to supply evidence to a States Attorney regarding tainted H1N1 Swine flu vaccines being produced by Baxter BioPharma Solutions. He said that Baxter’s Ukrainian lab was in fact producing a bioweapon disguised as a vaccine. He claimed that the vaccine contained an adjuvant (additive) designed to weaken the immune system, and replicated RNA from the virus responsible for the 1918 pandemic Spanish flu, causing global sickness and mass death.
[URL]http://pimpinturtle.com/2009/08/21/the-strange-case-of-joseph-moshe.aspx[/URL]
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Baxter was caught by Jane Burgermeister shipping 72 Kilos of live bird flu to 16 laboratories around the world saying it was vaccine material. Jane is now taking them to court and suing of a "conspiracy to commit mass murder and genocide."
Also take note that the vaccine will be mandatory because the WHO since it is now at level 6 has control over nations when it comes to health. They can make it mandatory and there is nothing the acting head of the gov't can do about it.
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[QUOTE=runningman;790792]Also this isn't a flu shot this is an AH1N1 shot, not seasonal flu so don't try to down play it. [URL="http://pimpinturtle.com/2009/08/21/the-strange-case-of-joseph-moshe.aspx"][/URL][/QUOTE]
Aren't you downplaying it by referencing its low mortality rate? I don't have any idea what your position on this thing is any more.
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[QUOTE=runningman;790797]Baxter was caught by Jane Burgermeister shipping 72 Kilos of live bird flu to 16 laboratories around the world saying it was vaccine material. Jane is now taking them to court and suing of a "conspiracy to commit mass murder and genocide."
Also take note that the vaccine will be mandatory because the WHO since it is now at level 6 has control over nations when it comes to health. They can make it mandatory and there is nothing the acting head of the gov't can do about it.[/QUOTE]
So Baxter is looking to infect millions and millions of people by compelling them to take weaponized live bird flu disguised as a vaccine? Why, pray-tell?
The plot thickens.
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$ What else.. look it up for yourself. I can only try to save your life. The rest is up to you.
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[QUOTE=runningman;790802]$ What else.. look it up for yourself. I can only try to save your life. The rest is up to you.[/QUOTE]
I was totally joking, by the way.
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when I say something sarcastic now I put a :lol: so people know.. Kind of tough through the computer.. honestly toasty please don't take the shot. they are trying to make kids under 10 get up to 4 shots. Possibly 3 vaccines and the regular flu shot. The link between autism and vaccines are apparent. What will be the side effects of this?
Also just look up squalene. That is the adjuvent they use when stretching out (or boosting as they like to call it) vaccines to make more vaccines. Think of it like McDonalds using preservatives in their food to make more money.
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[QUOTE=runningman;790960]when I say something sarcastic now I put a :lol: so people know.. [/QUOTE]
That's interesting because when [B]I[/B] say something in jest, I will sometimes just say something so batshit crazy that no one could possibly believe it to be serious. To each their own, though.
To reiterate my earlier point, I have no love lost for the pharmaceutical industry and as a matter of fact, a good portion of my career is dedicated to busting pharma companies when they release bad drugs, manipulate patents, or engage in other anti-consumer shenanigans.
With that said, though, you have to understand that what you're proposing just makes no sense. It is one thing for a company to be less than straight with the FDA about the safety and efficacy profile of a drug, up to and including releasing a drug into the marketplace that it knows will kill a certain percentage of people that take it because the financial upside makes it worthwhile. That, unfortunately, happens, and it happens more frequently than we'd probably like to think.
Other examples would include Bayer's refusal to allow the generic manufacture of Cipro, which was used to treat anthrax exposure, in the wake of the anthrax attacks. Purely self-interested, putting its profits ahead of the health and safety of the public at large. It made me shake my head, but I wasn't surprised, because it would have cost them a colossal stream of income.
That is different, however, from a drug company intentionally infecting millions of people worldwide with a potentially deadly virus under the guise of providing a vaccine for that virus. I mean, that's something you would expect from comic book villains, not corporations that have shareholders to answer to. What's the financial end game there? That Baxter would then make a mint selling the antidote? Kinda a tough sell -- "Yeah, I know we earlier told you we were selling you vaccine and it turned out to be the virus, but this stuff we have now, this is REALLY the antidote, I promise, no take-backs." Even if they made a ton selling the virus/vaccine in the first place, why torpedo any chance you ever had to sell any drug ever again?
It's so absurd, I can't believe we're discussing it.
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Did you look into Baxters 72 Kilos mistake? Here let me show you.
[URL="http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=90:the-baxterwho-case&catid=42:rokstories&Itemid=&lang=pl"]http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=90:the-baxterwho-case&catid=42:rokstories&Itemid=〈=pl[/URL]
I think we are talking about two different things here. Again you are taking it to the extreme as usual because it isn't in the mainstream. I am talking about you getting guillain barre syndrome and other complications that don't show in immediate testing like long term effects. And to be honest why would they give a fuck about you when you can't sue them anyways? As far as repeat customers they could blame it on terrorism or a mistake because it was such a rush order, that would also cause more regulation as well creating more gov't jobs and oversight.
Also 49% of doctors polled by pulse magazine opposed the vaccine.
[URL]http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=35&storycode=4123491&c=2[/URL]
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No I didn't look into it -- you didn't provide a link, and I have a job.
[QUOTE=runningman;791011]Again you are taking it to the extreme as usual because it isn't in the mainstream. [/QUOTE]
Here's what I'm responding to:
[QUOTE=runningman;790797]Baxter was caught by Jane Burgermeister shipping 72 Kilos of live bird flu to 16 laboratories around the world saying it was vaccine material. Jane is now taking them to court and suing of a "conspiracy to commit mass murder and genocide." [/QUOTE]
that doesn't really match the story that you linked -- I'm the one who's taking it to the extreme?
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I'm just giving you the info man.. take it with a grain of salt I guess. I know I'm not taking the shot though. You do understand that if you get fucked up from it nobody will care and nobody will be held accountable right?
I wish you were this critical of mainstream media..
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[QUOTE=runningman;791017]IYou do understand that if you get fucked up from it nobody will care and nobody will be held accountable right? [/QUOTE]
I actually find this to be very problematic, but probably not for the same reasons that you do. Serious question, can you point me to the bill, order, etc. that insulates the manufacturer of the vaccine?
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This is the PREP Act from 2006 that she apparently ammended. [URL]http://www.hhs.gov/disasters/emergency/manmadedisasters/bioterorism/medication-vaccine-qa.html[/URL]
It is taking me to long to find the official document that she signed. Here is the MSNBC link.
[URL]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31971355/ns/health-swine_flu/[/URL]
It says that the gov't learned its lesson from 1976 after thousands of people got guillian barre syndrome.
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here it is..
[URL]http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:4wqxk00j7GkJ:cryptome.org/0001/hhs080409.htm+Secretary+Kathleen+Sebelius+made+a+PREP+Act+emergency+declaration&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&client=firefox-a[/URL]
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES
Office of the [B]Secretary[/B]
Determination and Declarations Regarding [B]Emergency[/B] Use of Certain In vitro Diagnostic, Antiviral, and Personal Respiratory Products Accompanied by [B]Emergency[/B] Use Information
AGENCY: Office of the [B]Secretary[/B] (OS), HHS.
ACTION: Notice.
SUMMARY: The [B]Secretary[/B] of Health and Human Services (HHS) is issuing this notice pursuant to section 564(b) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic [B]Act[/B] (FFDCA), 21 U.S.C. 360bbb-3(b)(4). On April 26, 2009, the Acting [B]Secretary[/B] of HHS determined that a public health [B]emergency[/B] exists nationwide involving Swine Influenza A (now known as 2009-H1N1 Influenza A, or 2009-H1N1 influenza) that affects or has significant potential to affect national security. On the basis of this determination, on April 26 and April 27, 2009, the Acting [B]Secretary[/B] declared emergencies justifying the authorization of [B]emergency[/B] use of certain in vitro diagnostic, antiviral, and personal respiratory protection products accompanied by [B]emergency[/B] use information subject to the terms of any authorization issued by the Commissioner of Food and Drugs (Commissioner) under 21 U.S.C. 360bbb-3(a). The Acting [B]Secretary[/B] also specified that these declarations are declarations of [B]emergency[/B] as defined by former [B]Secretary[/B] Michael O. Leavitt in the October 10, 2008 [B]Declaration[/B] under the Public Readiness and [B]Emergency[/B] Preparedness ([B]PREP[/B]) [B]Act[/B] for Influenza Antivirals Oseltamivir Phosphate and Zanamavir, as amended, and the December 17, 2008 [B]Declaration[/B] under the [B]PREP[/B] [B]Act[/B] for Pandemic Influenza Diagnostics, Personal Respiratory Protection Devices, and Respiratory Support Devices.
DATES: The [B]declaration[/B] of an [B]emergency[/B] justifying the authorization of [B]emergency[/B] use of certain in vitro diagnostic products is effective April 26, 2009. The [B]declaration[/B] of an [B]emergency[/B] justifying the authorization of certain antiviral products is effective April 26, 2009. The [B]declaration[/B] of an [B]emergency[/B] justifying the authorization of [B]emergency[/B] use of certain respiratory protection products is effective April 27, 2009.
FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Nicole Lurie, M.D., MSPH, Assistant [B]Secretary[/B] for Preparedness and Response, Office of the [B]Secretary[/B], Department of Health and Human Services, 200 Independence Avenue, SW., Washington, DC 20201, Telephone (202) 205-2882 (this is not a toll free number).
SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION:
I. Background
Under Section 564 of the FFDCA, the Commissioner, acting under
delegated authority from the [B]Secretary[/B] of HHS, may issue an [B]Emergency[/B] Use Authorization (EUA) authorizing the [B]emergency[/B] use of an unapproved drug, an unapproved or uncleared device, or an unlicensed biological product, or an unapproved use of an approved drug, approved or cleared device, or licensed biological product. Before an EUA may be issued, the [B]Secretary[/B] of HHS must declare an [B]emergency[/B] justifying the authorization based on one of three determinations: a determination of a domestic [B]emergency[/B], or a significant potential for a domestic [B]emergency[/B], by the [B]Secretary[/B] of Homeland Security; a determination of a military [B]emergency[/B], or a significant potential for a military [B]emergency[/B], by the [B]Secretary[/B] of Defense; or a determination of a public health [B]emergency[/B] by the [B]Secretary[/B] of HHS. See 21 U.S.C. 360bbb-3(b)(1). In the case of a determination by the [B]Secretary[/B] of HHS (as was [B]made[/B] here), the [B]Secretary[/B] must determine that a public health [B]emergency[/B] exists under section 319 of the Public Health Service (PHS) [B]Act[/B] that affects, or has a significant potential to affect, national security, and that involves a specified biological, chemical, radiological, or nuclear agent or agents, or a specified disease or condition that may be attributable to such agent or agents. Based on such a determination, the [B]Secretary[/B] of HHS may then declare an [B]emergency[/B] that justifies the EUA, at which point the Commissioner may issue an EUA if the criteria for issuance of an authorization under section 564 of the FFDCA are met. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), HHS, requested that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issue EUAs for certain in vitro diagnostic, antiviral, and personal respiratory protection products accompanied by [B]emergency[/B] use information. The determination of a public health [B]emergency[/B] by the Acting [B]Secretary[/B] of HHS and the declarations of an [B]emergency[/B] by the Acting [B]Secretary[/B] of HHS based on that determination, as described below, enabled the Acting Commissioner to issue EUAs for certain in vitro diagnostic, antiviral, and personal respiratory protection products
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\1\ For purposes of this EUA, the term ``general public'' is
With issuance of the EUAs for certain in vitro diagnostic products,
laboratories may receive certain in vitro diagnostics covered by the EUAs for use in detection of 2009-H1N1 influenza, and patients and health care professionals may receive emergency use information regarding these in vitro diagnostic products during this public health emergency involving 2009-H1N1 influenza. With issuance of the EUAs for certain antiviral products and issuance of the EUA for certain personal respiratory products, members of the general public may receive certain antiviral and personal respiratory protection products covered by the EUAs, accompanied by emergency use information, for immediate use by them during this 2009-H1N1 influenza emergency. These products and accompanying information may help to detect the spread of 2009-H1N1 influenza, protect individuals against contracting 2009-H1N1 influenza, and treat individuals who are ill following exposure to 2009-H1N1 influenza. In this public health emergency involving 2009-H1N1 influenza, time is of the essence in detecting, preventing, and treating illness and death by getting in vitro diagnostic, antiviral and personal respiratory protection products, accompanied by emergency use information, to the general public, laboratories, and public health and health care professionals. By distributing certain in vitro diagnostic products accompanied by emergency use information, public health and health care professionals can ensure that spread of the 2009-H1N1 influenza is quickly and accurately detected. By dispensing certain personal respiratory products accompanied by emergency use information, the appropriate State and/or public health authority(ies) can ensure that the products are provided quickly, as appropriate, to help reduce wearer exposure to airborne germs. By dispensing certain antiviral products accompanied by emergency use information, public health and medical professionals and the authorities having jurisdiction to respond to the emergency in each locality can ensure that the products are provided quickly, as appropriate, to those who may have been exposed or are ill, accompanied by the information most important to their emergency use. This is one part of the Federal Government's strategy to encourage preparedness at all levels of government to enable the nation to respond effectively in response to this public health emergency.
II. Determination of the Acting Secretary of Health and Human Services
On April 26, 2009, pursuant to section 564(b)(1)(C) of the FFDCA,
21 U.S.C. 360bbb-3(b)(1)(A), and section 319 of the PHS Act, 42 U.S.C. 247d, the Acting Secretary of HHS determined, as a consequence of confirmed cases of Swine Influenza A (swH1N1) (now called ``2009-H1N1 influenza'') in California, Texas, Kansas, and New York, and after consultation with public health officials as necessary, that a public health emergency exists nationwide involving 2009-H1N1 influenza that affects or has significant potential to affect national security.
III. Declarations of the Acting Secretary of Health and Human Services
On April 26, 2009, on the basis of the Acting Secretary's
determination on April 26, 2009, pursuant to section 319 of the Public Health Service Act, 42 U.S.C. 247d, that a public health emergency exists involving 2009-H1N1 influenza that affects or has significant
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potential to affect national security, and pursuant to section 564(b) of the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act, 21 U.S.C. 360bbb-3(b), the Acting Secretary declared an emergency justifying the authorization of the emergency use of certain in vitro diagnostics for detection of Swine Influenza A (now called ``2009-H1N1 influenza'') accompanied by emergency use information subject to the terms of any authorization issued under 21 U.S.C. 360bbb-3(a). The Secretary further specified that the declaration is a declaration of emergency, as defined in the December 17, 2008, Declaration under the PREP Act for Pandemic Influenza Diagnostics, Personal Respiratory Protection Devices, and Respiratory Support Devices, published at 73 FR 78362 (December 22, 200. Also, on April 26, 2009, on the basis of the Acting Secretary's determination on April 26, 2009, pursuant to section 319 of the Public Health Service Act, 42 U.S.C. 247d, that a public health emergency exists involving Swine Influenza A that affects or has significant potential to affect national security, and pursuant to section 564(b) of the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act, 21 U.S.C. 360bbb-3(b), the Acting Secretary declared an emergency justifying the authorization of the emergency use of certain products from the neuraminidase class of antivirals oseltamivir phosphate and zanamivir accompanied by emergency use information subject to the terms of any authorization issued under 21 U.S.C. 360bbb-3(a). The Secretary further specified that the declaration is a declaration of emergency, as defined in the October 10, 2008, Declaration under the PREP Act for Influenza Antivirals Oseltamivir Phosphate and Zanamivir, published at 73 FR 61861 (October 17, 200, as amended. The Acting Secretary's April 26, 2009, amendment to the October 10, 2008 Declaration under the PREP Act for Influenza Antivirals Oseltamivir Phosphate and Zanamivir is separately published elsewhere in this issue of the Federal Register. On April 27, 2009, on the basis of the Acting Secretary's determination on April 26, 2009, pursuant to section 319 of the Public Health Service Act, 42 U.S.C. 247d, that a public health emergency exists involving Swine Influenza A that affects, or has significant potential to affect, national security; and pursuant to section 564(b) of the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act, 21 U.S.C. 360bbb-3(b), the Acting Secretary declared an emergency justifying the authorization of the emergency use of certain personal respiratory protection devices, accompanied by emergency use information subject to the terms of any authorization issued under 21 U.S.C. 360bbb-3(a). The Secretary further specified that the declaration is a declaration of emergency, as defined in the December 17, 2008, Declaration under the PREP Act for Pandemic Influenza Diagnostics, Personal Respiratory Protection Devices, and Respiratory Support Devices, 73 FR 78362 (December 22, 200 Notice of the authorizations issued by the FDA Commissioner under 21 U.S.C. 360bbb-3 is provided elsewhere in this Federal Register.
Dated: July 28, 2009.
Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary. [FR Doc. E9-18432 Filed 8-3-09; 8:45 am]
BILLING CODE 4150-37-P
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it's not just the vaccine it is also Tamiflu and Relenza
or here
[URL]http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/E9-18432.htm[/URL]
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Well, I agree, that's bullshit. At least it carves out intentional actions, but given the standard for proving that, not sure how helpful that is.