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Going along with the hypothesis as you say, why then was smoke looming from the towers up until they fell? Curious how that could be, thanks.

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it was burning black which means it was a cold burn. Black smoke typically means oxygen deprived. It is like lighting a welding torch. You will get really black smoke coming off of the flame but once you add O2 it burns cleaner.

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[QUOTE=yesme;784480]you are correct.

the steel nist recovered and tested showed NO inferno.

aka = you have NO evidence of an inferno.

nist CONFIRMS jet fuel would of burned up in the first 10-15 mins.

nist also admits combustable load was less then thought.

so they sent the steel out to get tested to see what it could sustain.

low and behold, the test came back saying " the columns even unfireproofed could of held twice as much(load) as they thought for OVER 2 hours(not the 1 hour it took to collapse).

so yeah, when government tests dont back up government theory it then becomes a hypothesis

but if you do have some evidence, i will be happy to look at it, please no web links to some "expert" stating, oh well it MUST of been that hot in there.

like most intelligent people i prefer to deal in facts.

like tests done on the wtc steel directly.

i'll be waiting for proof, and leave your sarcasm for some other guy, unless you dont want to be taken seriously.[/QUOTE] There is nothing for me to argue about with you because I have SEEN THE LIGHT and now I agree with you, brother yesme - as I said, there is no inferno in that picture. Inferno? What inferno?? ;) That picture is merely evidence of a cloudy day!

It is all due to Mossad. I'm going to go make a tin foil hat!!! WHEEEEE

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you look like an idiot Slava.. just sayin.

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[QUOTE] Going along with the hypothesis as you say, why then was smoke looming from the towers up until they fell? Curious how that could be, thanks. [/QUOTE]

well i guess i could offer my thoguhts on it all day, but in reality, i have no clue, nor do i want to assume anything i cant back up, the black smoke does indicate an O2 starved fire, not to mention chief palmers call from the 78th floor.

not to mention the test's on the metal nist did, i mean i guess we could ignore the only real hard science done in the investigation, but would that not be crazy?

so if tests revealed that the fires got lets say 300 degrees, then you should not go around saying there was a raging inferno. No matter how big the impact explosion was.

seems homie dont know the difference between an explosion and an inferno.

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[QUOTE=runningman;784487]you look like an idiot Slava.. just sayin.[/QUOTE] That's very ironic of you to say, brother runningman, seeing as I have now joined your side and bask in the glory of the Truth as do you and other people on here with very special insight. 8)

Speaking of which....

[QUOTE=yesme;784507]seems homie dont know the difference between an explosion and an inferno.[/QUOTE] forgive me, brother yesme...of course YOU are so "specially" smart enough to know bow just how balmy the temperatures in the tower must have been after the explosion that didn't happen due to the aircraft that wasn't laden with fuel which never hit the building. ;) But I have been confused by some of our Truth Bretheren who at times seem to be telling me that there was no inferno and then telling me that there was molten metal all over the place, which proves the conspiracy. Oh, I do so wish to preach the Truth of the Conspiracy...tell me, master yesme, which one shall I preach to the Non-Believers? Which one is Mossad responsible for?

[QUOTE=runningman;784483]it was burning black which means it was a cold burn.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=runningman;782035]You should read my posts. That video that florida posted at 1:34 you can see the molten steel coming out of the side.. 4:20-31 in this video.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=runningman;782035]Molten metal was under building 7!! [/QUOTE]

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Slava where did the thermite come from though?

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[QUOTE=runningman;784639]Slava where did the thermite come from though?[/QUOTE] hmmm I dunno.... probably Mossad?

It was the special kind that first burned really cool without an inferno and then suddenly got SUPER HOT and melted steel! Even while the building was standing!

Brothers, I know the TRUTH!

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Miro a plane parked itself in the WTC's. They were huge buildings. Here is what is wrong with your points and sarcasm

WTC's 1 and 2

1. Where did the thermite come from?
2. What happened to the Core?

Pentagon

1. Where is the camera footage?
2. Where did the engines go? Through a window?
3. Why is the flight path wrong according to the FAA?

WTC 7

1. Why did the building fall in the first place?
2. Why did it fall at free fall speed?
3. Why would the owner say to bring it down?
4. Why pools of molten steel at the bottom of all WTC's?

Until someone can answer those questions we will go round and round. How did NASA grade thermite or thermate end up in downtown Manhattan? That is the big one for me.

Hell it could be the Mossad since they had the most to gain. Get the US all pissed of and go kill some Arabs. Sounds more logical than freak occurances happening 4 times in the same day or dissapearing planes with fold up wings.

But we will never know until we do an investigation. Why are you so affraid of a new investigation?

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Aha - a test by brother runningman, no doubt to see if I am worthy! I hope that I will pass...

[QUOTE=runningman;784646]Miro a plane parked itself in the WTC's.[/QUOTE] brother runningman, do not speak such blasphemy; there were no planes. Just a few larger than usual birds in the area that day.

[QUOTE=runningman;784646] WTC's 1 and 2

1. Where did the thermite come from?[/QUOTE] As we already established, Mossad.

[QUOTE=runningman;784646]2. What happened to the Core?[/QUOTE] It first burned really cool, then suddenly melted.

[QUOTE=runningman;784646] Pentagon

1. Where is the camera footage?[/QUOTE] There is none because - are you ready for this - THERE IS NO PENTAGON!!!

[QUOTE=runningman;784646] 2. Where did the engines go? Through a window?[/QUOTE] Aha, a trick question by the illustrious brother runningman to see if I am paying attention... there were no engines because there WAS NO PLANE!

All of the hundreds of people did not see a plane, the DNA records were fake, and as brother Prog pointed out, not enough people called from the planes in order for the records of the two people who did call to be real. And the hole that was an exit hole is sufficient to conjecture about the entry hole. Also, if there had been a plane there, it surely wouldn't have exploded and the engines wouldn't have ended up in little melted pieces. They would have stayed whole, just like my toy planes did when I played with them in the sandbox!

[QUOTE=runningman;784646]3. Why is the flight path wrong according to the FAA?[/QUOTE] because there was no "flight path". There is also no "FAA".

[QUOTE=runningman;784646] WTC 7

1. Why did the building fall in the first place?[/QUOTE] Because the owner was sick of looking at it and decided to "pull it"! And by "pull it", I mean "call up Mossad and have them shoot a rocket at it".

[QUOTE=runningman;784646]2. Why did it fall at free fall speed?[/QUOTE] Because it liked Tom Petty? [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGmEPj7ofJY[/YOUTUBE]

[QUOTE=runningman;784646]3. Why would the owner say to bring it down?[/QUOTE] he didn't like the color. and he didn't want the big buildings to have all the fun; he was jealous.

[QUOTE=runningman;784646]4. Why pools of molten steel at the bottom of all WTC's?[/QUOTE] This one's easy: because it was a COOL BURN that DIDN'T produce an inferno over 300 degrees!

[QUOTE=runningman;784646]Until someone can answer those questions we will go round and round. How did NASA grade thermite or thermate end up in downtown Manhattan? That is the big one for me.[/QUOTE] Oh brother runningman, you are wise beyond words: it is of course WITHOUT A DOUBT that there was lots of NASA grade thermite all over the place. There is NO QUESTION about it. People were picking it out of their teeth! I, too, want to know why the space shuttle was there.

[QUOTE=runningman;784646]Hell it could be the Mossad since they had the most to gain. Get the US all pissed of and go kill some Arabs. Sounds more logical than freak occurances happening 4 times in the same day or dissapearing planes with fold up wings.[/QUOTE] yes! MOSSAD!!!! And those wings would not have disappeared, even if they were thin alimunum alloy fuel tanks hitting steel-reinforced concrete at 500 mph. They would have simply been wedged into the building. But they didn't do this because there was no plane.

[QUOTE=runningman;784646] But we will never know until we do an investigation. Why are you so affraid of a new investigation?[/QUOTE] I am not afraid, because I now stand with you and proclaim the TRUTH!

whoop! It's so much fun being enlightened like you guys! :Preachin:

Did I pass???

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^Miro, afraid of an investigation? Kind of reaching there imo.

I think Miro and myself have gone out of our way (especially miro), to provide evidence and insight as to what we think occurred on 9/11 and why we think the conspiracies are just that.

What precisely do you think happened on 9/11? Be specific please, thanks. And I am not asking for another discussion on fires and demo's...who was responsible for 9/11 and why in your opinion? Again, be specific, don't just say, the government was behind it to make money on war.

Be detailed as to who/how and why.

Thanks.

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honeslty I don't have a clue who did it but Iraq and Afghanistan obviously had something to do with it. Also passing of the Patriot act was a big thing as well.

Again we won't know until we have a real investigation as to the who/why. I know what it wasn't. Cave men hitting 75% of their targets and making buildings implode into its footprint.

I find it quite funny that Miro you not having the science anymore to result to such low level attacks. I mean really where was your proof? Colour changing pictures, planes with fold up wings, planes with no engines, exploding concrete, weak steel, imploding buildings? Forgive me if I'm wrong but what do you have exactly?

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;784657]^Miro, afraid of an investigation? Kind of reaching there imo.[/QUOTE] Dude. Did you NOT just read the end of my last post that you just responded to?

I am no longer afraid!.... hallelujah. There was no "reaching" in my post. It was the truth.

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^I was also responding to RM, your post hadn't appeared yet when I started mine, regardless I was responding to RM's suggestion that you were afraid of an investigation: [QUOTE=runningman;784646] But we will never know until we do an investigation. Why are you so affraid of a new investigation?[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=runningman;784664] planes with no engines [/QUOTE]

Assuming you are referring to the Pentagon:

[IMG]http://pagesperso-orange.fr/jpdesm/pentagon/debris/engineRemains.jpg[/IMG]

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;784670]Assuming you are referring to the Pentagon:

[IMG]http://pagesperso-orange.fr/jpdesm/pentagon/debris/engineRemains.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

I think we already covered this one.:lol:

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^^ those are not plane engine parts; as brother chunky will tell you, they are typewriter parts! And they were planted by Mossad.

If they were engine parts from a plane that had crashed into the building (which never happened), then it would still be all nice and shiny and whole and pretty like this: [IMG]http://ablogtoread.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/jet-engine.jpg[/IMG]

Everybody knows that jet engines don't ever break apart!

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[IMG]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/ats/pentagon757/Pentagon3.jpg[/IMG]

:roflmao:

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I know its humorous.. I never realized a 4 story plane with a 125ft wingspan could fit through a window.

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oh, I never get tired of looking at that picture!!! Even though it would be thoroughly misleading since you can't see much in it...but that is irrelevant because it is IRREFUTABLE FACT that there never was a plane, a Pentagon, or a "Washington DC"!

brother chunky, you are SO SMRT! high five, buddy!

...do you guys like me now? Am I part of the team now???

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Miro what is your explanation to a 40ft plane (4 story) going into only a 10' hole? I mean wow what do you need my friend shock therapy or what?

Damn Hani Hanjour was some pilot.. I like how you guys don't even touch that one.. WEAK!

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[QUOTE=runningman;784678]Miro what is your explanation to a 40ft plane (4 story) going into only a 10' hole? I mean wow what do you need my friend shock therapy or what?[/QUOTE] I do not need shock therapy; only those fools who insist that there is a "Pentagon" need shock therapy! :x

I mean...so what if the American Society of Civil Engineers' Pentagon Building Performance Report actually approximated a 75-foot hole in the outer E ring, the facade of which then collapsed 20 minutes later? Everybody knows that that report was written by Mossad.

And we don't even need to consider the E ring! We can just look at something in the inner C ring and infer everything from that! And that leads us to the FACTUAL CONCLUSION that there was no "outer ring" or "plane" and that Mossad is responsible for everything!

That, my friend, is my explanation. whoop!

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[IMG]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/ats/pentagon757/Pentagon3.jpg[/IMG]

Here is the hole in the building - it's been reported by at least a dozen different sources (including conspiracy theory sites) to be a 16 to 20 foot hole. That is really interesting when you take into account the fact that the 757 body is 12 ft 4in wide and 13 ft 6in high. (Here is where I was mistaken in the past, like so very many others I was led astray by the HEIGHT of the aircraft, which is actually the measurement from the wheels-down to the tip of the tail. That measurement is for aircraft hangar clearance, not the SIZE of the aircraft.) The 757 is basically a cylinder that is 13 feet across. It then should not be surprising that it would create something around a thirteen foot hole in the side of the building.

Look at the nose-on view of a 757 - you can see the body is slightly less than 1/3 the size of the height of the aircraft. The tail certainly isn't going to punch a hole through a reinforced concrete wall; that is why there is no 40 foot hole in the front of the Pentagon in any photos. A 40 foot object didn't hit it, a 13 foot object did.

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hani hanjour the worlds greatest pilot.

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;784683][IMG]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/ats/pentagon757/Pentagon3.jpg[/IMG]

Here is the hole in the building - it's been reported by at least a dozen different sources (including conspiracy theory sites) to be a 16 to 20 foot hole. That is really interesting when you take into account the fact that the 757 body is 12 ft 4in wide and 13 ft 6in high. (Here is where I was mistaken in the past, like so very many others I was led astray by the HEIGHT of the aircraft, which is actually the measurement from the wheels-down to the tip of the tail. That measurement is for aircraft hangar clearance, not the SIZE of the aircraft.) The 757 is basically a cylinder that is 13 feet across. It then should not be surprising that it would create something around a thirteen foot hole in the side of the building.

Look at the nose-on view of a 757 - you can see the body is slightly less than 1/3 the size of the height of the aircraft. The tail certainly isn't going to punch a hole through a reinforced concrete wall; that is why there is no 40 foot hole in the front of the Pentagon in any photos. A 40 foot object didn't hit it, a 13 foot object did.[/QUOTE] Yayy! Let's all just look at a picture where most of the entry area is covered up by fire trucks spraying shit and determine from this that the hole was the size of a US quarter! We are all so collectively SMRT! That society of civil engineers is filled with a bunch of spies!

We don't have to look LOWER than the fire truck stream in the picture above, because there is NOTHING to see there!!! [IMG]http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/impact_scale.jpg[/IMG]

Yes, the hole was only the size of a dinner plate!!! :lol:

actually, let's keep looking at the picture of the fire trucks covering over most of the "hole", which doesn't exist anyways (neither do the fire trucks because there was no inferno here, either) - it's better for the TRUTH that way!!! :D

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[QUOTE=Miroslav;784676] brother chunky, you are SO SMRT! high five, buddy!

...do you guys like me now? Am I part of the team now???[/QUOTE]

I always did like you. I think you are very intelligent & I enjoy reading your posts. Your long running battle with runningman is one of the joys of this forum. I just disagree with you on this subject.

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What no fold up wings ?

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^^ aww fanks, buddy! :Weirdoz :

(I got no personal beef wit you, either! :))

but I would be careful about relying on that one entry hole pic... ;)

I should stop drinking at work!

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^What then Runningman, Chunky and Yesme are you guys suggesting took place on Sept. 11th???

I think it takes guts for you guys to suggest so many American's who were victims on Sept 11th are fools for believing what they literally experienced in Manhattan and DC. We're not talking about two cities comprised of hillbillies. Some of the best and brightest minds in the world witnessed the events that took place.

I find it insulting to claim that these homemade movies featuring slides and dramatic overtones are the truth.

Moreover, because there has not been another investigation, you should then understand that that is due to a lack of legitimate claims with any real validity that have fought for one.

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most of the families that had loved ones that died want a new investigation. Soooo good try though. They are actually looking to raise $50 mil for the new one. Most of the victims heard the booms in the building as well. 51% of Americans according to Zogby want a new investigation. So you are in the minority. I find it insulting that you believe your media when you know your country is corupt as fuck. I mean shit Florida you even admit that you think the gov\t keeps 75% of the truth from you..

[URL]http://www.vegsource.com/talk/flame/messages/5998.html[/URL]

[URL]http://blog.nj.com/njv_bob_braun/2009/08/911_survivors_call_for_renewed.html[/URL]

Hani Hanjour.

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I'm not against looking deeply into 9/11...I'm for it.

Formal investigating = great

Homemade slide shows and with dramatic music = not great.

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;784700]Moreover, because there has not been another investigation, you should then understand that that is due to a lack of legitimate claims with any real validity that have fought for one.[/QUOTE]

The Bush Administration didn't want a investigation to start with. It was only due the campaign of the Jersey widows. Then when they where forced to have an investigation they put Henry Kissinger in charge, who was forced to resign before the investigation even started. They then put Philip D. Zelikow in charge, basically auditing themselves. The Bush administration put up a fund of $3 million (they spent over $100 million tiring to impeach Clinton) they where forced to increase it so they increased it to $15 million. The answered 30% of the questions the Jersey Widows wanted answering.

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;784702]I'm not against looking deeply into 9/11...I'm for it.

Formal investigating = great

Homemade slide shows and with dramatic music = not great.[/QUOTE]

You prefer the CNN/ABC slide show with the dramatic music instead. Or that geezer with the fold up wings.

I don't what your documentaries are like in the States but in the UK they don't tend to play "Kum ba yah, my Lord, Kum ba yah". DJ Shadow Mutual Slump is always a popular one with the BBC whether its Cot Death, Gun Crime, or even X Factor

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^Frankly, I prefer no music

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I am all for another investigation!

I hope it is led by Steven Jones and all of the armchair experts who see molten metal coming out of "cool" buildings, who post pictures of welders and firefighters working by light as evidence of the "hot core" (after the cool fire), who post picture of the C ring as if it was the E ring, who see irrefutable evidence of cruise missiles, UFOs, etc. and who like to make sweeping inferences from pictures that cover up stuff at misleading angles.

That will be one awesome, hilarious read! :lol: The FACTS have never been so much FUN!

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would you prefer Kissinger who is running your Military? Or is that tin hat stuff?

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[QUOTE=chunky;784705] I don't what your documentaries are like in the States but in the UK they don't tend to play "Kum ba yah, my Lord, Kum ba yah". DJ Shadow Mutual Slump is always a popular one with the BBC whether its Cot Death, Gun Crime, or even X Factor[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=chunky;784705] DJ Shadow Mutual Slump is always a popular one with the BBC whether its Cot Death, Gun Crime, or even X Factor[/QUOTE]

Chunky, here are a few documentaries (videos & 1 website) I think you may enjoy produced by Frontline, one of the most reputable broadcasting companies here in the States, just click on the title, hope you find them informative:

[URL="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/truth/view/"][COLOR="blue"]TRUTH, WAR, AND CONSEQUENCES[/COLOR][/URL] Oct. 9, 2003 90 MINUTES [SIZE="2"][B]FRONTLINE traces the roots of the Iraqi war back to the days immediately following September 11, when Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld ordered the creation of a special intelligence operation to quietly begin looking for evidence that would justify the war. The intelligence reports soon became a part of a continuing struggle between civilians in the Pentagon on one side and the CIA, State Department, and uniformed military on the other - a struggle that would lead to inadequate planning for the aftermath of the war, continuing violence, and mounting political problems for the president.[/B][/SIZE]

[URL="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/iraq/view/"][COLOR="blue"]THE WAR BEHIND CLOSED DOORS[/COLOR][/URL] 60 MINUTES - [URL="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xq3cb_pbs-the-war-behind-closed-doors_events"]alt link[/URL] [SIZE="2"][B]FRONTLINE examines the hidden story of what is really driving the Bush administration to war with Iraq. The investigation asks whether the publicly reported reasons--fear of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction or a desire to insure and protect America's access to oil--are only masking the real reason for the war. Through interviews with well-placed sources in and outside of the administration, FRONTLINE unravels a story known only to the Washington insiders.[/B][/SIZE]

[URL="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3320163902235354575&ei=x5KdSprnD4TYrgK-zfHHBg&q=FAITH+AND+DOUBT+AT+GROUND+ZERO"][COLOR="blue"]FAITH AND DOUBT AT GROUND ZERO[/COLOR][/URL] SEP. 03, 2002 120 MINUTES [SIZE="2"][B]Ground Zero in Manhattan has become a site of pilgrimage. Thousands of people visit the site, looking for consolation as they question the events of September 11. There is a profound quiet to their meditations. Starting here, FRONTLINE sets out on a quest to find out how peoples' beliefs-and unbelief-has been challenged, and how they are coping with difficult questions of good and evil, the face of God, and the potential for darkness within religion itself. From survivors who were pulled from the wreckage of the Twin Towers to the widow of a New York City firefighter; from priests and rabbis to security guards and opera divas; from lapsed Catholics and Jews to Buddhists, Muslims, and atheists.... FRONTLINE explores and illuminates the myriad of spiritual questions that have come out of the terror, pain, and destruction at Ground Zero.[/B][/SIZE]

[URL="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7826309841506454826"][COLOR="blue"]Muslims[/COLOR][/URL] MAY. 09, 2002 120 MINUTES [B][SIZE="2"]The events of Sept. 11 left many Americans questioning how such atrocities could be perpetrated in the name of religion: specifically, the religion of Islam. Few Americans know much about Islam, yet it continues to be the fastest growing religion in the US today. What is Islam? What do Muslims believe in? And how does their faith shape their lives, identities and their political ideologies? FRONTLINE explores these and other questions in "Muslims," a special two-hour report that examines the fundamental tenets of Islam and the causes behind its current worldwide resurgence.Through interviews with dozens of ordinary Muslims from such diverse countries as Iran, Malaysia, Turkey, and the U.S., FRONTLINE illuminates the perspectives, conflicts, and tensions that are shaping today's Muslim world.[/SIZE][/B]

[URL="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/network"][COLOR="Blue"]INSIDE THE TERROR NETWORK[/COLOR] [/URL] JAN. 17, 2002 60 MINUTES [B][SIZE="2"]The hijackers of September 11 led such outwardly ordinary lives that they moved through Europe and America virtually unnoticed. They plotted in broad daylight, weaving a web of terror from the simple routines of modern life. American flight schools taught them to fly, local banks helped them move money, libraries provided computers, and the Department of Motor Vehicles supplied essential IDs. Everywhere they went they blended in unnoticed and unsuspected. FRONTLINE traces the hijackers' movements across four continents, following clues they left behind to unearth the stories of the individuals inside Osama bin Laden's terror network. [/SIZE][/B]

Lastly: [COLOR="blue"][URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/americas/2001/day_of_terror/"]BBC's AMERICA'S DAY OF TERROR[/URL][/COLOR] [SIZE="2"][B]On 11 September 2001 a series of attacks were launched on America. It was a day that many around the world would never forget.[/B][/SIZE]

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Most comprehensive list of legitimate documentation of September 11th can be found at East Carolina University's Library website:

:arrow::arrow::arrow:[B][URL="http://www.ecu.edu/lib/govdoc/911.cfm"][COLOR="Blue"]Attack on America: Remembering September 11th[/COLOR][/URL][/B]

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Most comprehensive list of legitimate documentation of September 11th can be found at East Carolina University's Library website:

Source: [URL="http://www.ecu.edu/lib/govdoc/911.cfm"][COLOR="White"][B]Attack on America: Remembering September 11th[/B][/COLOR][/URL]

Academic Info: Terrorism Studies - September 11: ([url]http://www.academicinfo.net/usa911.html).-Thorough[/url] list of links to news articles, official statements, and numerous other resources on the attacks and their aftermath. BBC News: America's Day of Terror: ([url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/americas/2001/day_of_terror/[/url]). -Interactive guide to the attacks, including a timeline, eyewitness accounts, images, and audio/video files.

Building on Ground Zero: ([url]http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/[/url]). -PBS Nova Web site analyzing the "precise causes of the Twin Towers' collapse."

CNN.com: Day of Terror: ([url]http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/day.section.html[/url]). -9/11 guide features a timeline, interactive map of the attacks, images, news stories, and multimedia.

Evergreen State College Hot Topics: Terrorist Attacks on the U.S., September 11, 2001 : ([url]http://www.evergreen.edu/library/govdocs/hotopics/sept11/enter.html[/url]). -A lengthy list of news and information Web links on September 11th and the aftermath, "pertaining to the attacks as they happened in the days immediately after the event".

Faith and Doubt at Ground Zero: ([url]http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/faith/[/url]). -PBS Frontline Web site on the religious and spiritual implications of the September 11 attacks.

Inside 9/11: ([url]http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/inside911/[/url]). -Companion web site to the August 2005 documentary from the National Geographic Channel. Features a 9/11 timeline, list of resources, and video clips of interviews.

Media Coverage of 9/11 and its Aftermath: A Bibliography: ([url]http://www.au.af.mil/au/aul/bibs/9-11/9-11.htm[/url]). -Lists books, articles and Web links. From the USAF Air University Library.

9/11: Debunking the Myths: ([url]http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html[/url]). -A special report from the March 2005 issue of Popular Mechanics, refuting many of the conspiracy theories raised about the September 11th attacks.

NIST and the World Trade Center: ([url]http://wtc.nist.gov/[/url]). -Reports and analysis concerning the collapse of the World Trade Center towers, from the National Institute of Standards and Technology.

Terrorism: Questions & Answers: ([url]http://www.cfr.org/issue/135/[/url]). -An excellent introductory source from the Council on Foreign Relations.

U. S. State Department International Information Programs: Identifying Misinformation: ([url]http://usinfo.state.gov/media/misinformation.html[/url]). -Debunks various conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11 and other events.

Urban Legends Reference Pages: Rumors of War: ([url]http://www.snopes2.com/rumors/rumors.htm[/url]). -Assesses the validity of various rumors and stories concerning September 11th and subsequent events.

[B][U]Archives and Exhibits[/U][/B]

Here is New York: ([url]http://hereisnewyork.org/index2.asp[/url]). -Online exhibit of over 5,000 images related to September 11.

September 11 Digital Archive: ([url]http://911digitalarchive.org/[/url]). -Online repository of e-mails, images, audio and video files, and first person accounts of 9/11.

September 11 Digital Collection: ([url]http://www.interactivepublishing.net/september/[/url]). -Archive of screenshots from over 230 news Web sites taken on September 11 and 12.

September 11 News.com: ([url]http://www.september11news.com/[/url]). -Includes images of Web sites on 9/11, newspaper front covers, and other images.

September 11, 2001 Digital Exhibit: Student Reactions: ([url]http://digital.lib.ecu.edu/special/september11/[/url]). -Project from Joyner Library Special Collections, East Carolina University, featuring essays written by ECU students at the time of the attacks, as well as a collection of images.

September 11, 2001, Documentary Project: ([url]http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/911_archive/[/url]). -"The September 11, 2001, Documentary Project captures the heartfelt reactions, eyewitness accounts, and diverse opinions of Americans and others in the months that followed the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and United Airlines Flight 93. Patriotism and unity mixed with sadness, anger, and insecurity are common themes expressed in this online presentation of almost 200 audio and video interviews, 45 graphic items, and 21 written narratives." Part of the Library of Congress' American Memory web site.

September 11 Web Archive: ([url]http://september11.archive.org/[/url]). -Digital archive of Web content related to 9/11. Includes governmental, charitable, US and International news sites, and analysis of how Americans used the Internet in the aftermath of the attacks.

[CENTER][B][U][COLOR="white"]Remembering the Victims[/COLOR] [/U][/B][/CENTER]

CNN.com: September 11, A Memorial: ([url]http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/[/url]). -Memorial lists of the victims, including photos and tributes from friends and family.

Families of September 11: ([url]http://www.familiesofseptember11.org/home.asp[/url]). -Non-profit organization for families of 9/11 victims. Includes news items, links to relief resources, and information on how to help.

Flight 93 National Memorial: ([url]http://www.honorflight93.org/[/url]). -Official web site of the planned memorial to be built in Shanksville, PA at the crash site of United Airlines Flight 93. Click on "The Story" for a brief account of the flight and list of passengers and crew.

National September 11 Memorial & Museum: ([url]http://www.national911memorial.org/[/url]). -Official web site of the planned memorial to be built at Ground Zero in New York. Includes a multimedia gallery and interactive timeline.

Pentagon Memorial: ([url]http://memorial.pentagon.mil/[/url]). -News, updates, and photos on the progress of construction.

September 11, 2001 Victims: ([url]http://web.archive.org/web/20080207013425rn_1/www.september11victims.com/september11victims/[/url]). -Archived web site featuring detailed victim lists, poems and songs, message boards, and information on how to help the families.

September 11th Victim Compensation Fund of 2001: ([url]http://www.usdoj.gov/archive/victimcompensation/[/url]). -Archived web site of official US government 9/11 compensation fund that ceased operations in December 2003..

White House Commission on Remembrance: ([url]http://www.remember.gov/[/url]). -Features a special section on September 11th, which includes memorial lists of the victims, speeches by President Bush, and suggestions for remembering. Click on "Toll of Terrorism".

[CENTER][B][U][COLOR="white"]The Perpetrators[/COLOR][/U][/B][/CENTER]

Congressional Joint 9/11 Inquiry Final Reports: -Released December 10, 2002 (PDF files).

Part One: Findings Part Two: Recommendations Additional Views of Senator Richard Shelby Congressional Joint 9/11 Inquiry Hearings: ([url]http://web.archive.org/web/20070318130837/http://foi.missouri.edu/terrorintelligence/intelligcomm/[/url]). -Archived web site containing reports and statements delivered before the 2002 joint House and Senate investigation of the September 11th attacks. Also available from the Federation of American Scientists.

Indictment of Zacarias Moussaoui: ([url]http://notablecases.vaed.uscourts.gov/1:01-cr-00455/docs/66826/0.pdf[/url]). -July 2002 indictment of a suspected al-Qa'ida member for involvement in the September 11th attacks. The original indictment, issued in December 2001, can be found at the US Department of Justice Web site. More documents on this case can be found at the US District Court of Eastern Virginia.

Inside the Terror Network: ([url]http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/network/[/url]). -PBS Frontline analysis of the September 11th plot and the inner workings of al-Qa'ida. Includes interviews, analyses, biographies of three of the hijackers, and links to a variety of articles and other documents.

Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities before and after the Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001: ([url]http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/911.html[/url]). -Official 832 page report produced by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, and released in late July 2003.

Looking for Answers: ([url]http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/terrorism/[/url]). -Companion Web site to PBS Frontline documentary on the sources of Islamist extremism in Egypt and Saudi Arabia, and on the failure of US intelligence to stop the September 11th attacks. Includes interview transcripts, a collection of articles from the New York Times, and links to a sizable number of online readings.

National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States: ([url]http://www.9-11commission.gov/[/url]). -Official Web site of the bipartisan commission created in November 2002. Includes hearing transcripts, webcasts, press releases, interim reports, and the commission's final report.

9/11 Commission Report: ([url]http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/index.html[/url]). -Final report released in July 2004.

9/11 Public Discourse Project: ([url]http://www.9-11pdp.org/[/url]). -Web site on the current private efforts of the former 9/11 Commission.

Office of Inspector General Report on CIA Accountability With Respect to the 9/11 Attacks: Executive Summary: ([url]https://www.cia.gov/news-information/press-releases-statements/press-release-archive-2007/911-ig-report-summary.html[/url]). -Declassified summary released in August 2007, along with a statement by CIA Director General Michael Hayden. The document itself is in PDF.

Responsibility for the Terrorist Atrocities in the United States, 11 September 2001: ([url]http://www.fas.org/irp/news/2001/11/ukreport.html[/url]). -Revised document released by the British government on November 14, 2001, that outlines the evidence implicating Osama bin Laden and al-Qa'ida in the events of September 11th. Original version was published on October 4, 2001.

Transcript of Usama Bin Laden Video Tape: ([url]http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Dec2001/d20011213ubl.pdf[/url]). -Official Department of Defense transcript of the bin Laden video made public on December 13, 2001.

For more information, please see our companion page: The War on Terrorism: Osama bin Laden and al-Qa'ida.

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After Sept. 11: Perspectives from the Social Sciences: ([url]http://www.ssrc.org/sept11/[/url]). -A collection of essays written by social scientists from around the world seeking to put the attacks into their broader context. Topics include globalization, fundamentalism, terrorism and democracy, and the future of international relations, among others. Includes a guide for teachers.

APA: Trauma: ([url]http://www.apa.org/topics/topictrauma.html[/url]). -Links to a wide variety of information on how to cope with 9/11 and other destructive events, from the American Psychological Association.

September 11: What Our Children Need to Know: ([url]http://www.edexcellence.net/detail/news.cfm?news_id=65[/url]). -Report from the conservative Fordham Foundation offering resources and suggestions for teachers, from a perspective critical of the NEA.

September 11th Perspectives: ([url]http://neahin.org/programs/schoolsafety/september11/index.htm[/url]). -Material for educators in teaching about 9/11 in the classroom, including lesson plans and additional resources. Provided by the National Education Association.

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Last Modified: September 11, 2008

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Re: you know what's astonishing?

^^^ LIES! All lies, I tell you!!!

my friends, do not look at any of this blasphemy. Instead, keep looking at the pictures of the hole mostly covered up by the spray of the fire truck, keep telling yourselves that "C ring" means "E ring", and keep looking at expert Youtube commentary on videos of "molten steel" dripping out of the near-freezing towers.

That is the way to strengthen your faith in the TRUTH!!