Well in one of the stupidest moves I have seen to date happened today with the release of Abdel baset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi who was found guilty of the Lockerbie Plane bombing [COLOR=Red]killing 259[/COLOR] people.

If my loved one was on that plane I would be fuming mad!!:evil::evil:

[URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/6062496/Barack-Obama-leads-condemnation-of-Scotland-for-freeing-Lockerbie-bomber.html[/URL]

Watch another terrorist attack will happen now. He came home to a heroes welcome in Libya. Nothing like sending a hero home to deflate the enemy. :roll: One thing I think we can all agree on is that this never would have happened under Bush.

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i have no problem with him being released to his family to spend the last few hours of his life with them. But 3 fuckin months is a bit much IMO.

I remember the lockerbie disaster with great detail - so it brings it home for sure.

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its a tough call...i don't know. I always think that you have to make a start somewhere...maybe this is the start to show some of those religious radicals what empathy means. I don't know tough one for sure.

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There's still a lot of speculation as to whether he was responsible at all. The other suspected terrorist of the bombing was acquitted several years ago.

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what sickens me is that he got a heroes welcome for the bombing. So whether he did it or didn't is irrelevant. The people think he did and that is why they went out to support him in his jihad.

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yeah and some people voted for bush...there will always be idiots in this world. It can't be helped.

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Nice job Scotland and Libya! He's getting a hero's welcome back home for terrorism. Scotland looks stupid and Libya reminds us why the rest of the world hates them.

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I don't know if he did it or not... but if he was involved, then I could only say in hingsight it is absolutely shameful and disgusting that he was able to weasel his way out, even for a day. But one thing's for sure: the Lybian government can fuck right off... with all their celebrating, we all know exactly how they really feel over there about the massacre. :evil:

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I disagree with this move 100% -- people die in prison all the time, can't think of any good reason to make an exception for this dude -- but I'm not all that fired up about it. meh.

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[quote=Miroslav;780499]I don't know if he did it or not... but if he was involved, then I could only say in hingsight it is absolutely shameful and disgusting that he was able to weasel his way out, even for a day. But one thing's for sure: the Lybian government can fuck right off... with all their celebrating, we all know exactly how they really feel over there about the massacre. :evil:[/quote]

Do you feel the same about Flight 655, bhopal, or the release of General Pinochet by the UK government.

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[QUOTE=chunky;780627]Do you feel the same about Flight 655, bhopal, or the release of General Pinochet by the UK government.[/QUOTE] I'm not going to try to make excuses for the country I live in and defend everything done by the US as angelic. The only thing I will say was that my take would be that flight 655 was a horrible, reckless mistake and not an intentional act. If the goal of the US was to cause mass casualties, I suspect there would be many covert ways for it to do so without blatantly implicating itself and recklessly inviting the risk of war and retaliation - not to mention the obvious loss of political power in the international forum. It would seem highly irrational and out of character for that to have been an intentional policy. When the US does its dirty work, it probably prefers more covert means. I also don't recall there being much celebration over the event.

The CIA's support of Pinochet was horrible - not going to defend that - and I don't know what Bhopal has to do with this. I suspect you'll tell me.

But I don't think that any of the US government's horrible actions make what happened in Lockerbie "right" or excuse the celebrating.

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[quote=Miroslav;780714]Just looked up flight 655 to figure out what you're talking about... I remember that now. That was a horrible stain on the US, and I'm sure some people say it was an intentional act - my personal guess would be that it was a mistake, as there are many more covert ways for the USA to go around causing that kind of destruction if that were the intent, and blatantly implicating itself in such a direct manner and risking war and retaliation would be highly irrational and reckless. And to my knowledge wasn't celebrated in the streets as a victory over here. But I do think the US should have issued a public apology over it.

No idea what Bhopal or Pinochet has to do with this.[/quote]

Its funny how you always seem to think that any atrocity that the US government or US was responsible for is nothing more than an accident. At least you are willing to admit that the USA could use more covert ways of causing destruction, though I doubt you would admit they ever would.

Do you think its acceptable that Warren Anderson the CEO of Union Carbide has evaded extradition from the United States to face charges in India over Bhopal for 20 years (at least Gaddafi turned Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al Megrahi). Or that the UK government released Pinochet even though he was wanted for war crimes (the US didn't have much to say then). The UK government has also requested the extradition of solders responsible for the so called friendly fire attacks on UK solders, however none have ever been turned over yet by the US.

It seems to me if someone joins some organisation and gets called a solder they can get away with a lot more than of they join an organization and gets called a terrorist.

Miroslav your a very intelligent person (more than I ever will be) but I find it strange how you are willing to defend the USA or their government on every issue that's posted on here.

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In the UK we had hundreds of IRA terrorists released under the IRA Peace Treaty. It hardly looked like a ticker tape celebration when Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al Megrahi stepped off the plane. Maybe I must of missed some footage.

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[QUOTE=chunky;780725]Its funny how you always seem to think that any atrocity that the US government or US was responsible for is nothing more than an accident. At least you are willing to admit that the USA could use more covert ways of causing destruction, though I doubt you would admit they ever would.[/quote] I re-wrote my post right after I published it because I read it and felt that it didn't accurately represent my thoughts and made me look overly defensive of US interests. I think it addresses some of what you're talking about as far as defending the USA, so please take another look.

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it's the price to pay for demonstrating strength. fuck if i care if they celebrate and exalt them; they're a bunch of suckers anyways.

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well well...so another time Libya is giving us(the Arabs) hard times...i totally agree that either he was proved to have done the bombing or not,he aint a hero n Libyan ppl n their outta mind president shouldnt have gone out for him like that...last n not the least,all of u should know that ppl aint the same,Arabs aint the same,Muslims religion is always looking for peace..but the minority can get u ppl to look at us as terrorists.. if u have some friends from out here,u should know what im already talking abt.. Cheers from Egypt :)

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[quote=chunky;780725]Its funny how you always seem to think that any atrocity that the US government or US was responsible for is nothing more than an accident. At least you are willing to admit that the USA could use more covert ways of causing destruction, though I doubt you would admit they ever would.[/quote] As I was thinking about this, I'd like to add one more thing...

I'm not interested in defending everything my country's government does. I didn't support going into Iraq, and I didn't vote for Bush to do all of the idiot things he did. The only reason I'm prone to think that the downed aircraft was a mistake is simply because it [I]doesn't even make logical sense[/I] for the US to do that purposefully - even if you believe that their intention is to cause mass murder. That would be like Iran firing off a few long range missiles into Jerusalem; they hate those Israelis, but even so it would be a really stupid move that would actually stand hurt their interests.

But that aircraft aside, I acknowledge that the US does lots of bad things. CIA support of Pinochet was very bad. And you think I have a vested interest in defending Anderson? You can have him.

You should, however, make a distinction between a defense of government and a failure to believe in all sort of conspiracy theories that have as much intelligent reasoning behind them as the Easter Bunny - like the notion that the US has to go to such extremes as to crash its own airliners into its own buildings in order to justify invading Iraq (as if they didn't have much easier means to justify that). The fact that I view the conspiracy flavor of the week with suspicion does not mean that I think everything the USA does is great.

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I think that what you will find Miro is that some of the conspiracies are closer to the truth then the major media.. Obviously there are wacko conspiracies out there but you can't lump "elvis is alive" with "building 7" on 9/11.

[U]Conspiracy[/U]

World Government - Is happening Global Currency - China and Russia are calling for it

What I find funny is that knowing what you know about how corrupt your country is why are these things such tin hat conspiracies. The real conspiracy is that law rules the land. In the real world money rules the land.

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turns out the UK approved of the bomber being released. Gordon Brown what a loser.

[URL]http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6816489.ece[/URL]

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HI.. I read your post but seriously its hard to say anything on it because every one has his own point of view so from that i can say at least from some where anyone has to start... the thing was really blasty and never going to forgot in any way... Thanks for sharing the post...