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[quote=serghe;762827]Why do you assume the US has everything to do with everything...

Amanpour always follows Iranian affairs, look at her name for details why... Her pockets are line with IR money anyway, so fuck her.

It is being covered because perhaps people care about a nation has been oppressed for 30 years and it finally standing up for itself on its own merits (Not the CIA's merits)[/quote]

Ya like you guys cared about Iraqi people right? over 1 million casualties since you guys showed up. Stop being so naive you guys put more into your defense than the rest of the world combined that is why I think you guys are involved.

Also this is a big piece of the puzzle

[URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1552784/Bush-sanctions-black-ops-against-Iran.html[/URL]

[COLOR=Lime][I]The CIA will also be allowed to supply communications equipment which would enable opposition groups in Iran to work together and bypass internet censorship by the clerical regime.[/I][/COLOR] [I] [COLOR=Lime]Mark Fitzpatrick, a former senior State Department official now with the International Institute for Strategic Studies, said industrial sabotage was the favoured way to combat Iran's nuclear programme [/COLOR][COLOR=Red]"[B]without military action, without fingerprints on the operation[/B].[/COLOR][/I][COLOR=Red]"[/COLOR]

Funny we have been hearing a lot about US fingerprints lately.

You see the way it works is this

1st You send in your economic hitmen, if that doesn't work 2nd You send in the jackals, if that doesn't work 3rd You send in the military

Right now you are at step 2.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTbdnNgqfs8[/youtube]

If that one is too long just watch this one.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0JCJ4pIFEw[/YOUTUBE]

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[quote=runningman;762854]Ya like you guys cared about Iraqi people right? over 1 million casualties since you guys showed up. Stop being so naive you guys put more into your defense than the rest of the world combined that is why I think you guys are involved.

Also this is a big piece of the puzzle

[URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1552784/Bush-sanctions-black-ops-against-Iran.html[/URL]

[COLOR=Lime][I]The CIA will also be allowed to supply communications equipment which would enable opposition groups in Iran to work together and bypass internet censorship by the clerical regime.[/I][/COLOR] [I] [COLOR=Lime]Mark Fitzpatrick, a former senior State Department official now with the International Institute for Strategic Studies, said industrial sabotage was the favoured way to combat Iran's nuclear programme [/COLOR][COLOR=Red]"[B]without military action, without fingerprints on the operation[/B].[/COLOR][/I][COLOR=Red]"[/COLOR]

Funny we have been hearing a lot about US fingerprints lately.[/quote] lol at you guys. I could care fucking less about government of Iran and their tactics. In fact I invite you to say such things. Lol it seems like you have waiting for a random Iranian to come along so you get your anger out. Me thinks someone has not been paying attention to zee news recently seeing as most Iranians do not see and probably have never seen eye to eye with zee government.

As for the article.... So I guess I work for the CIA since I am helping Iranians out with proxies and what not. Keep reading your CIA nonsense. I find it funny people always think the US is on these things. One thing I will tell you is the following our on the Islamic Republic's side: Russians, Chinese, Venezuelans, Nokia, Sieman's, George Galloway. As for people on the Iranian people's side: Western Media. That is about it.

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Also this nuclear issue.

let me write this big

[SIZE=5]IRANIAN PEOPLE ARE NOT DIEING SO AMERICANS AND ISRAELIS CAN SLEEP SAFE AT NIGHT KNOWING THAT IRAN DOESN'T HAVE THE POWER TO WIPE THEM OFF THE MAP[/SIZE]

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um...thank you?

I guess I now have a good guess as to who told me to die on that rep comment.:lol:

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First off I didn't know you were Iranian. Second i am not anti Iranian at all. Third I was just informing you the way the US gov't works when they try to control something. I find it funny that the writing to be on the wall and yet people won't believe it. Watch the videos I posted and educate yourself on what happens out there thats all. The US gov't can come out like when Obama spoke about the Iran coup that the CIA did back in the day and people can't believe that they would do it again EVEN when there is an article from the Bush administration talking about black ops- CIA- internet news. What more do you want? Obama to come out and say "Ya it is us actually." Well he won't at least not for 50 years.

It has nothing to do with Nukes and everything to do with oil, again. I feel like i am watching an instant replay of iraq except this will be much worse. The persian empire has never been conquered.

[B]Greatest Oil Reserves by Country (2005)[/B]

[LIST] [][URL="http://import-export.suite101.com/article.cfm/saudi_arabian_exports_imports"]Saudi Arabia[/URL] (262 billion barrels) [][URL="http://internationaltrade.suite101.com/article.cfm/canada_s_trade_partners"]Canada[/URL] (179) [][COLOR=Red][URL="http://internationaltrade.suite101.com/article.cfm/iran_trade_sanctions"]Iran[/URL] (126)[/COLOR] [][COLOR=Red][URL="http://internationaltrade.suite101.com/article.cfm/iraqs_trade_buddies"]Iraq[/URL] (115)[/COLOR] []Kuwait (102) []United Arab Emirates (98) []Venezuela (77) [][URL="http://internationaltrade.suite101.com/article.cfm/risky_russian_trade"]Russia[/URL] (60) []Libya (39) []Nigeria (35) [/LIST] Watch Venezuela and Russia will be next. [LEFT][COLOR=#000000]

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[quote=Miroslav;762871]um...thank you?

I guess I now have a good guess as to who told me to die on that rep comment.:lol:[/quote] Not me. But perhaps take the advice? I kid.

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^^ haha... Perhaps you should check your massive ego at the door, son. ;)

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[quote=runningman;762872]First off I didn't know you were Iranian. Second i am not anti Iranian at all. Third I was just informing you the way the US gov't works when they try to control something. I find it funny that the writing to be on the wall and yet people won't believe it. Watch the videos I posted and educate yourself on what happens out there thats all. The US gov't can come out like when Obama spoke about the Iran coup that the CIA did back in the day and people can't believe that they would do it again EVEN when there is an article from the Bush administration talking about black ops- CIA- internet news. What more do you want? Obama to come out and say "Ya it is us actually." Well he won't at least not for 50 years.

It has nothing to do with Nukes and everything to do with oil, again. I feel like i am watching an instant replay of iraq except this will be much worse. The persian empire has never been conquered.[/quote] You probably are not anti-Iranian. Do not look into things too much. As an Iranian myself I could not see this coming. It is a blessing, a huge blessing that these IR people rigged this election. I mean they could have done a 51% 49% rig and it would have fine, none of this would have happened, but no, they went all out, and it is a blessing. Every tactic they have so far has been terrible. They have not done one thing right and again that is a blessing because it just means we will soon be free. None of this has to do with the CIA.

No offense, but I do not care for CIA. I know they are just sitting back, watching the show, like all the under cover spies in Iran.

This is not Iraq, This not about fucking oil. The West has done perfect with all the sanctions on Iran the last couple of years. As for Mr. Obama. Fuck him. He actually wanted to talk to these people. His little apologise for Bush campaign shows him as fucking weak. I honestly do not respect a man that wants to actually talk to these IR bastards. Even if IR wins in all this, he will still want to talk to them because he is on a mission to erase all errors of Bush and befriend Iran. He doesn't give two shits about Iran, he cares about his political career. Out of all this I finally see who Iran's enemies are and who their friends are. Obama is not one of them. The one thing Obama doesn't realise is that all that death to America BS IR spouts is to have an enemy. Without an enemy, they have no reason to rule or exist.

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Also Russia has already beat the USA to Iran's oil, for your conspiracy theorist out there. The cold war is still alive and well.

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[quote=serghe;762881]The one thing Obama doesn't realise is that all that death to America BS IR spouts is to have an enemy. Without an enemy, they have no reason to rule or exist.[/quote] Funny you say that...because you have just put your finger on [I]precisely [/I]what he realizes and why he is acting "weak", as you say.

It does not serve US interests for the President to go out of his way and say lots of belligirent things to Iran's current power structure like George Bush did. Why give them additional free ammo to galvanize broader support around a nationalist anti-US agenda? But you shouldn't necessarily conclude that this means that Obama wants to be friends with Ahmadinejad. It is smarter to publicly display a more respectful, diplomatic tone towards Iran's leaders (again, not giving them free pulic relations ammo) while at the same time doing whatever one can behind the scenes to marginalize them and support their removal.

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Everything has to do with Oil. Oil is money. Do you actually believe that the US gov't gives a shit about Iranian people?? Well they don't just like they didn't care about Iraq. Notice the same tone

Saddam - Evil dictator, kills his own people, we must save them Ahmadinijad - Evil Dictator, kills his own people, we must save them

It is like reading the same book

What does Iran and Iraq have in common. oil

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[quote=runningman;762891]Notice the same tone

Saddam - Evil dictator, kills his own people, we must save them Ahmadinijad - Evil Dictator, kills his own people, we must save them

It is like reading the same book[/quote] yes, and they both happen to be true (the evil dictator killing his own people part)

not saying that it isn't about oil...

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I know but lets not act like if there was a protest in the USA that the US people would be allowed to go wherever they want.

Ask yourself this, what would happen now if a protest was organised with hundreds of thousands of people and they wanted to shut down Wallstreet? Tear gas, rubber bullets, and possibly lethal force. Who knows what else?

It wouldn't look much different then what we are seeing in Iran IMO.

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^^ Yes, I agree with that... I'd just say that Iran and Iraq nevertheless have a much more authoritarian recent history than the US does, even with all of the imperfections and problems that the US has in its systems.

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[quote=runningman;762891]Everything has to do with Oil. Oil is money. Do you actually believe that the US gov't gives a shit about Iranian people?? Well they don't just like they didn't care about Iraq. Notice the same tone

Saddam - Evil dictator, kills his own people, we must save them Ahmadinijad - Evil Dictator, kills his own people, we must save them

It is like reading the same book

What does Iran and Iraq have in common. oil[/quote]

^ playing up the nuclear threat too in both cases. Odd really coming from the most heavily armed nation on the planet.

[quote=runningman;762895]I know but lets not act like if there was a protest in the USA that the US people would be allowed to go wherever they want.

Ask yourself this, what would happen now if a protest was organised with hundreds of thousands of people and they wanted to shut down Wallstreet? Tear gas, rubber bullets, and possibly lethal force. Who knows what else?

It wouldn't look much different then what we are seeing in Iran IMO.[/quote]

^ V true

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[quote=runningman;762895]I know but lets not act like if there was a protest in the USA that the US people would be allowed to go wherever they want.

Ask yourself this, what would happen now if a protest was organised with hundreds of thousands of people and they wanted to shut down Wallstreet? Tear gas, rubber bullets, and possibly lethal force. Who knows what else?

It wouldn't look much different then what we are seeing in Iran IMO.[/quote] Ok seriously stop, we all know the US wouldn't being shooting people from rooftops and arresting everything on mobile phones and then blaming a list of 20 countries or people for what is going on. Do you realise about 500 plus people have probably died in Iran in the last 10 days.

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[quote=Miroslav;762889]Funny you say that...because you have just put your finger on [I]precisely [/I]what he realizes and why he is acting "weak", as you say.

It does not serve US interests for the President to go out of his way and say lots of belligirent things to Iran's current power structure like George Bush did. Why give them additional free ammo to galvanize broader support around a nationalist anti-US agenda? But you shouldn't necessarily conclude that this means that Obama wants to be friends with Ahmadinejad. It is smarter to publicly display a more respectful, diplomatic tone towards Iran's leaders (again, not giving them free pulic relations ammo) while at the same time doing whatever one can behind the scenes to marginalize them and support their removal.[/quote] I am judging Obama by his little speech to Iranians on Newrouz (Iranian new year), he wanted to talk to IR, and he still does whoever is in charge. I much preferred Bush's tactic of no talks. I did not agree on the nuclear issue and invasion ideals. IR is still saying death to America right now as we speak even though Obama is not saying anything. They will do it regardless. So do not go on praising his silence.

[quote=runningman;762891]Everything has to do with Oil. Oil is money. Do you actually believe that the US gov't gives a shit about Iranian people?? Well they don't just like they didn't care about Iraq. Notice the same tone

Saddam - Evil dictator, kills his own people, we must save them Ahmadinijad - Evil Dictator, kills his own people, we must save them

It is like reading the same book

What does Iran and Iraq have in common. oil[/quote]

Iran and Iraq have little in common as far as the people are concerned. FFS, I have to make it big now...

IRANIAN PEOPLE ARE NOT DIEING SO PEOPLE LIKE YOU CAN THEN USE THIS AS REASONING BEHIND A JUSTIFICATION OR CONSPIRACIES THAT THE USA IS GOING TO FUCK IRAN OUT ITS OIL.

Do you honestly think Iranian people are that daft now, why do you think the shah is gone... UK fucked Iran out its oil for years. Even this regime gives it oil away to Russia. I think by now we have learnt our lesson.

Americans and they fucking oil conspiracies...

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[quote=serghe;762934]IRANIAN PEOPLE ARE NOT DIEING SO PEOPLE LIKE YOU CAN THEN USE THIS AS REASONING BEHIND A JUSTIFICATION OR CONSPIRACIES THAT THE USA IS GOING TO FUCK IRAN OUT ITS OIL.[/quote] Not sure why you keep saying this because the Iranian protesters' motivation behind their actions does not necessarily have anything to do with the US's motivation behind any of its actions in the Middle East. So logically speaking, it's largely irrelevant from the US policy standpoint as to whether Iranian people are dying for reasons that are aligned with US motivations or not. Each group acts in its own best interest (freedom, regime change, access to oil, economic prospects, long-term regional stability, prevention of nuclear proliferation); their interests may ultimately coincide, or they may not.

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[quote=Miroslav;762951]Not sure why you keep saying this because the Iranian protesters' motivation behind their actions does not necessarily have anything to do with the US's motivation behind any of its actions in the Middle East. So logically speaking, it's largely irrelevant from the US policy standpoint as to whether Iranian people are dying for reasons that are aligned with US motivations or not. Each group acts in its own best interest (freedom, regime change, access to oil, economic prospects, long-term regional stability, prevention of nuclear proliferation); their interests may ultimately coincide, or they may not.[/quote]

Because I hate when Americans have their own agenda in things. See you look at things from an American point of view. When I look at American issues, I look at them from what American would look at them like, but Americans never do the same for the rest of the world. It is actually quite simple.

Why do you follow this story? Why do you show interest, ask yourself this and then ask what point of view am I looking at. I watch Fox News and Cnn and generally both of them will show the American angle on things, which is actually quite annoying. Especially when this type of foreign media is all we have in this fight. BBC and Sky have done well to show from an Iranian point of view. France 24 has basically shown it all in an Iranian point of view. Al Jazeera has been a bit biased towards IR and anti IR at the same time it gets confusing. Russia Today has not said a thing on this of course.

I am just sick and tried of looking at the foreign media in this (you have to remember this all we Iranians have because of IR restrictions) and have to see what Obama said when he swatted from fly and what not. WHat I am saying is, this is our issue, support our fight, but do not make something that it isn't. This has nothing to do with Israel, USA, UK. This is a people issue and human rights issue. Of course politics will get meshed into it.

But who cares right? The world revolves around the USA and Obama, not the sun.

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[quote=serghe;762981]Because I hate when Americans have their own agenda in things. See you look at things from an American point of view.[/quote] Well, I'm sorry but... e[I]very[/I] group of people always has their own agenda in things around the world - that's politics! When Obama was running for office, many Iranians no doubt had their own agenda behind their interest in the outcome, too - as did all the rest of the world. So I'm afraid you just may have to get used to it...

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[quote=Miroslav;762998]Well, I'm sorry but... e[I]very[/I] group of people always has their own agenda in things around the world - that's politics! When Obama was running for office, many Iranians no doubt had their own agenda behind their interest in the outcome, too - as did all the rest of the world. So I'm afraid you just may have to get used to it...[/quote] Me as an Iranian could care less who was in charge in America. I do invite for a free Iran to be friends with America and encourage trade, but I do like the fact Obama just wants to be friends with anyone in charge of Iran just because no other US president has in the past since 1979.

Quit thinking and looking things, especially ones that honestly do not involve you, in the point of view as an American. This is part of the reason Necons have gotten in power and their ideals are actually still preserved.

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[quote=serghe;763161] Quit thinking and looking things, especially ones that honestly do not involve you, in the point of view as an American. This is part of the reason Necons have gotten in power and their ideals are actually still preserved.[/quote]

There is a difference between caring about things and acting on things. While the neocons should be faulted for thinking that we should become more actively [B]involved [/B]in what is going on in Iran right now, we live in an increasingly small world and Americans SHOULD think, look and care about things that happen in Iran (and anywhere else in the world, for that matter), and vice versa. We no longer live in a world with isolationism is realistic, and a better understanding of what is going on in the world can only lead to good things.

Here's the broader point, though -- I'd be pulling for any group of oppressed people struggling for their rights, wherever they are, and shouldn't be faulted if it happens that it is going on in a country where regime change is likely to benefit US interests. That an event happens to make me happy from both a humanitarian and self-interested standpoint doesn't change the fact that the humanitarian component is in there. You want Americans to stop caring about what happens in Iran? Not gonna happen, so you'll just have to get over the fact that we're rooting for you. Deal with it.

As a final aside, the neocons have had their asses absolutely handed to them in the last two elections, and they now constitute a minority segment of a minority party. They don't seem to realize it which is why they still bark as loudly as ever, much to the chagrin of the moderates in their party, but don't confuse neocon bluster for the sentiments of the public at large.

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[quote=serghe;763161]Me as an Iranian could care less who was in charge in America.[/quote] Ok then.

[quote=serghe;763161]...but I do like the fact Obama just wants to be friends with anyone in charge of Iran just because no other US president has in the past since 1979.[/quote] [B]FAIL.[/B]

You just proved Toasty's point. We live in the 21st century, and the world is heavily interconnected and interdependent now; what happens in one corner of the world can dramatically affect other corners of the world - so as an Iranian, you SHOULD care (and apparently, you actually do). And people of different nationalities are going to keep caring.

[quote=serghe;763161]Quit thinking and looking things, especially ones that honestly do not involve you, in the point of view as an American. This is part of the reason Necons have gotten in power and their ideals are actually still preserved.[/quote] Ok I will, just as soon as you quit thinking and looking at things in the point of view as an Iranian. :roll: And don't form any opinion on our neocon ideals and their preservation - you're not American!!!!

I swear...you have the same level of openness to debate as Khameini. It's rather ironic.

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Apparently 30,000 twitter accounts were created on June 13th, 2009 from Iran. Each has a high number of tweets and they were in English and half of the accounts had the same picture on the account.

The Jerusalem post had a story made hours after all the accounts were created. It is being discussed that they are Mossad (or Right Wing jewish groups) twitter accounts to get American young people more energized to attack Iran.

[URL]http://aleppous.com/international/2009/06/24/the-us-regime-change-recipe-for-iran/[/URL]

[URL]http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/06/16/proof-israeli-effort-to-destabilize-iran-via-twitter/[/URL]

Check out this Propaganda

[URL]http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/06/24/security-forces-beat-people-like-animals/[/URL] Beating Women Beating Old Men "You Should Help Us!" "Help the People of Iran" "Genocide. Hitler." "Time to Act."

She probably is Jewish calling from Tel Aviv

Sounds like the US will be liberators again:roll: add that to the list of comparisons between Iraw and Iran.

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[quote=runningman;763201]Apparently 30,000 twitter accounts were created on June 13th, 2009. Each has a high number of tweets and they were in English and half of the accounts had the same picture on the account.

The Jerusalem post had a story made hours after all the accounts were created. It is being discussed that they are Mossad (or Right Wing jewish groups) twitter accounts to get American young people more energized to attack Iran.

[URL]http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/06/16/proof-israeli-effort-to-destabilize-iran-via-twitter/[/URL]

Check out this Propaganda

[URL]http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/06/24/security-forces-beat-people-like-animals/[/URL] Sounds Jewish to me.[/quote]

#sweetfancymoses

Dude, June 13, 2009 was the day after the election at which point, per my understanding, traditional means of communications were unreliable at best, and the fact that twitter was still getting through was becoming well-known. Makes perfect sense to me that if the only way people could communicate was through twitter, there might be an enormous spike in twitter demand.

Many of the tweets were in English because they were directed to the English speaking world, and most of them used the same image because earlier on, there was one image in particular that was representative of the protest movement.

The rest of the article ascribes sinister undertones to the very qualities of twitter that make it useful. Everyone was using the same hashtag? The [I]horror[/I]! Friends were following each other?!?!?!? CONSPIRACY!!

Neither the author of this article or, apparently, you appear to have any idea how twitter is used. It hurts sometimes.

Again, #sweetfancymoses

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I know Toasty it is hard to accept that you are being played like a fiddle but if this escalates enough that the military goes in then you will know that this was planned. your understanding is skewed because the only info you can go to is the US media. I'm not saying every twitter is Mossad but a lot are. The Israelies are banging the war drums really hard to attack Iran. They didn't want Obama elected and now they are doing everything they can to persuade the US public to put pressure on Obama to invade or bomb. Also didn't you read my article that stated that Bush funded the CIA to give the Iranian people internet access even if the Iranian gov't tries to block it? This is a setup.

Ask yourself who benefits? Why is there so much press in the US on Iran when a thousand protestors get together? Why do we never hear from pro Ahmadinejad people?

It still is possible that he did win the elections.

You would think millions would be protesting not thousands if the elections were rigged that bad.

I can't find sweetfancymoses on twitter

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^^ maybe you should try it with the # in front of it.

A bunch of Twitter posts are not going to make the US declare war on Iran. I think the US is unlikely to invade Iran unless seriously provoked.

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[quote=runningman;763209] I can't find sweetfancymoses on twitter[/quote]

Well, I don't know that tweets stay out there for perpetuity, so that doesn't really surprise me, but I find the hashtag convenient when what I'd really like to say is, "Jesus Harold Christ in a chicken basket, this is the most brain-bendingly idiotic thing I've ever read, so much so that I've actually just lost some faith in the intelligence of the human race as a whole," but I can't because I'm limited to 140 characters. Perhaps if this thread continues, I'll have occasion to use it again soon.

[quote=runningman;763209]...but if this escalates enough that the military goes in then you will know that this was planned. [/quote]

First of all, no. False syllogism.

[quote=runningman;763209]your understanding is skewed because the only info you can go to is the US media. [/quote]

With all due respect to Canada, it would stun me to learn that you have access to media there that we do not. I read the same shit you do, although the big difference, as I see it, is that I actually [B]read [/B]those articles rather than looking at a headline or a sentence or two and extrapolating wildly from that.

[quote=runningman;763209]The Israelies are banging the war drums really hard to attack Iran. They didn't want Obama elected and now they are doing everything they can to persuade the US public to put pressure on Obama to invade or bomb. Also didn't you read my article that stated that Bush funded the CIA to give the Iranian people internet access even if the Iranian gov't tries to block it? This is a setup. [/quote]

It stuns me that you or anyone for that matter would look at the events of the last week and conclude that it makes it more likely that we'll go bomb Iran. If anything, it diminished support for just going in and bombing, because the faceless evil empire "Iran" has been replaced by "the Iranian people," for whom there is near universal, bi-partisan support in this country. Can you imagine the backlash if we were to go in there and start blowing shit up right now?

Not even the neocons are suggesting doing that. If in fact there was some sort of Israeli conspiracy, the strategy did not work, far as I can tell.

#sweetfancymoses

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[quote=runningman;763201]Apparently 30,000 twitter accounts were created on June 13th, 2009 from Iran. Each has a high number of tweets and they were in English and half of the accounts had the same picture on the account.

The Jerusalem post had a story made hours after all the accounts were created. It is being discussed that they are Mossad (or Right Wing jewish groups) twitter accounts to get American young people more energized to attack Iran.

[URL]http://aleppous.com/international/2009/06/24/the-us-regime-change-recipe-for-iran/[/URL]

[URL]http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/06/16/proof-israeli-effort-to-destabilize-iran-via-twitter/[/URL]

Check out this Propaganda

[URL]http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/06/24/security-forces-beat-people-like-animals/[/URL] Beating Women Beating Old Men "You Should Help Us!" "Help the People of Iran" "Genocide. Hitler." "Time to Act."

She probably is Jewish calling from Tel Aviv

Sounds like the US will be liberators again:roll: add that to the list of comparisons between Iraw and Iran.[/quote] lol. Islamic Republic is hiring go here [url]www.ir.ir/cvdropbox[/url]

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Okay, sorry for being a bit harsh. I am just a bit frustrated right now, that is all. But you do have to realise I just a bitsick and tired of hearing about what Obama is going to do next and what not. While people are dieing and IR has blamed about 80 different things and people are looking at what the west will do. I just believe it is up to the Iranian peopel to decide their own fate and it always has been. McCain wanted to bomb Iran 2 weeks ago, now he is supporting the people. Obama wanted to befriend this regime 2 months ago, now he is deeply disturbed. I do not trust any of these people. And I want them to fuck off. The way non Iranians could help is just bringing awareness of the human rights violations that have been going in Iran for the last 30 years. You will then realise what the fight is against. It is not about some election. It just sparked this.

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[quote=toasty;763226]Well, I don't know that tweets stay out there for perpetuity, so that doesn't really surprise me, but I find the hashtag convenient when what I'd really like to say is, "Jesus Harold Christ in a chicken basket, this is the most brain-bendingly idiotic thing I've ever read, so much so that I've actually just lost some faith in the intelligence of the human race as a whole," but I can't because I'm limited to 140 characters. Perhaps if this thread continues, I'll have occasion to use it again soon.

First of all, no. False syllogism.

With all due respect to Canada, it would stun me to learn that you have access to media there that we do not. I read the same shit you do, although the big difference, as I see it, is that I actually [B]read [/B]those articles rather than looking at a headline or a sentence or two and extrapolating wildly from that.

It stuns me that you or anyone for that matter would look at the events of the last week and conclude that it makes it more likely that we'll go bomb Iran. If anything, it diminished support for just going in and bombing, because the faceless evil empire "Iran" has been replaced by "the Iranian people," for whom there is near universal, bi-partisan support in this country. Can you imagine the backlash if we were to go in there and start blowing shit up right now?

Not even the neocons are suggesting doing that. If in fact there was some sort of Israeli conspiracy, the strategy did not work, far as I can tell.

#sweetfancymoses[/quote]

Toasty you and I just have different beliefs thats all. You believe everything in the US news and I don't. You could go to your bank and find out you can't take your money out and you would still believe whatever the gov't told you.
Also if this strategy didn't work doesn't count out the fact that the military is still an option.

That Raw story video from CNN I mean come on that is 100% fake. Horrible acting. If you don't look at the screen from the anchors sad faces and quiet talk it reminds me of Mustaffa in Austin Powers--

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htRHj3tyYyo[/YOUTUBE]

:lol:

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[QUOTE=serghe;763450]Okay, sorry for being a bit harsh. I am just a bit frustrated right now, that is all. But you do have to realise I just a bitsick and tired of hearing about what Obama is going to do next and what not. While people are dieing and IR has blamed about 80 different things and people are looking at what the west will do. I just believe it is up to the Iranian peopel to decide their own fate and it always has been. McCain wanted to bomb Iran 2 weeks ago, now he is supporting the people. Obama wanted to befriend this regime 2 months ago, now he is deeply disturbed. I do not trust any of these people. And I want them to fuck off. The way non Iranians could help is just bringing awareness of the human rights violations that have been going in Iran for the last 30 years. You will then realise what the fight is against. It is not about some election. It just sparked this.[/QUOTE]

Is it okay if we bring you guns and grenades then?

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[quote=Yao;763677]Is it okay if we bring you guns and grenades then?[/quote] Who is we?

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Western people that want you to gain your freedom.

Just kidding about the guns, but I think you get my point: I'm all about diplomacy, but sometimes there's just a moment when talking or peaceful protest won't get you anywhere. You see, for Ama to resign under the pressure of the people there should be reason in him, something that makes it possible for him to consider or reflect on arguments from a 3rd party (the people in this case). Khamenei, Ama and the whole clique of hardliners can do neither; handing over power to someone that is not on their bandwagen is equal to betraying everything they stand for, and as such not an option.

So, they'll have to be [I]forced[/I] out of their position of power. By you.

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I'm afraid that not much will come of this "revolution" anytime soon. The regime has the support of the military, and they will ultimately apply overwhelming force to crush the dissidents. And other nations are highly unlikely to intervene. Things will go back to the way they were, unfortunately.

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Ahura Mazda reportin in.

time to emancipate Pasargadae and Susa, we need Achaemenes back.

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[quote=Miroslav;760970]Unfortunately, this revolution will likely not last long nor change anything in Iran in the near term. The military is in Adhmadinejad's control, and they will stop at nothing to crush people who go too far and forcefully reign everyone back in line. And the rest of the world is unlikely to intervene.

Ahmadinejad and the Iranians in charge should know that the rest of the world is not stupid; we all know that "democratic elections" and "Iran" go together like oil and water. They wouldn't recognize democracy over there if it came up and bit them in the ass. The elections are just a circus to lend legitimacy to Ahmadinejad's reign. We all know that he is a ruthless dictator and that there was no way he was going to "lose" this "election", no matter what.[/quote]

wat! i swore i thought they had a Democracy before we intervened.