[ms] · Est. May 2002
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There were building evacuations in New York and New Jersey. I even saw video of people screaming and running because of remembering 9/11 from seeing the low flying plane. It's amazing how stupid people can be to approve something like this.
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/27/low.flying.plane/index.html[/url]
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The mayor didnt even know about it. Must have been scary to go through especially if you were there during 9/11.
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Saw this. What an incomprehensibly boneheaded, insensitive thing to do. Was it too much trouble to Photoshop a picture of Air Force 1 in? Or at least permit the powers that be to alert people that it would be happening? It's not like the President was actually on the plane, so it's not really a security issue...
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Photo Opp fail
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What's even more brainbending is that this evidently isn't a situation where someone just wasn't cognizant of the effect it might have -- they did consider it, and did it anyway:
[QUOTE]In a memo obtained by CBS 2 HD the Federal Aviation Administration's James Johnston said the agency was aware of "the possibility of public concern regarding DOD (Department of Defense) aircraft flying at low altitudes" in an around New York City. But they demanded total secrecy from the NYPD, the Secret Service, the FBI and even the mayor's office and threatened federal sanctions if the secret got out.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://wcbstv.com/topstories/air.force.one.2.996457.html[/url]
Oh, and here's another gem, from the same article:
[QUOTE]The cost of the frivolous flight was about $60,000 an hour and that was just for Air Force One. That doesn't include the cost of the two F-16s that came along.[/QUOTE]
By government standards, that's obviously not a hell of a lot of money, but it is just completely and utterly unnecessary to spend that sort of cash on something like this right now. Honestly, any graphic artist worth his or her salt could insert that plane against a blue sky no problem at all, for practically nothing. Or maybe wait until Obama is heading up to NYC for something else anyway. Just madness.
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its one of the many mind blowing things that people behind desks agree to.
its absolutely shocking.
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this was a psy-op nothing more. DOD was trying to accomplish something with this.
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[quote=toasty;741741]
By government standards, that's obviously not a hell of a lot of money, but it is just completely and utterly unnecessary to spend that sort of cash on something like this right now. Honestly, any graphic artist worth his or her salt could insert that plane against a blue sky no problem at all, for practically nothing. Or maybe wait until Obama is heading up to NYC for something else anyway. Just madness.[/quote]
hey, we paid for that photo op with our tax money. :p no wait :(
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[quote=runningman;742342]this was a psy-op nothing more. DOD was trying to accomplish something with this.[/quote]
LOL :runningman: sorry it had to be done...dude are you on shrooms or lsd?
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EDIT never mind... not worth it.
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do you guys know the risk of flying that plane at that low altitude over the city?? Wow huge risk
What if it lost altitude and landed right in time square? You actually believe this was just an accident? You don't think that the pentagon invests in psychological warfare? What did they learn from this?
They found out that what happened on 9/11 is still very much in the veins of the American people especially in NYC. You can't buy that kind of research.
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^I dont know if I've been spending too much time reading the political thread on MS or if I am simply seeing eye to eye with RM on this one? lol
I agree this was definitely thought out, I hope real information comes to light on this here...that was some seriously weird sh*t.
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It seems rather silly for the Pentagon to launch this psychological campaign just to learn that 9-11 is still very much in the memory of the people who lived through it. Anyone with an asshole and a functional central nervous system could have told you that for free. And what is that information good for anyways?
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how are we supposed to know what they were researching? Look it up and tell us. But I know what it wasn't. A photo.
This article right here tells how much of a lie it is.
[URL]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/8486044[/URL]
The White House director Caldera says
"Last week, I approved a mission over New York. I take responsibility for that decision," Caldera said. [COLOR=Red]"While federal authorities took the proper steps to notify state and local authorities in New York and New Jersey, it's clear that the mission created confusion and disruption.[/COLOR] I apologize and take responsibility for any distress that flight caused."
While in the previous paragraph it states:
Even Mayor Michael Bloomberg didn't know about it, and he later called it "insensitive" to fly so near the site of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
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^^ There is nothing in that article or that quote that really supports your argument.
I dunno... it's still a huge leap for me to go from the government fucking up and leaving people in the dark to the government flying the President's plane around NYC to scare people as a part of some covert psy-ops campaign. I admit that the second interpretation sounds a lot more exciting and interesting, but I need some more direct evidence to support that.
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i like the idea! people are too damn comfortable these days...i say fly another damn plane at low level.
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After all the reporting I'm starting to have a couple of theories on this:
The people in the White House knew that the President and Mayor of NYC wouldn't approve this. If they asked, then they knew permission would be denied. Instead they did it and hoped nothing would come of it.
Was there anyone on the plane? It could be a big donor or government official that was taking a ride. Air Force One is for the President only.
Could be other reasons, but I'm starting to think that these guys didn't do this out of stupidity and more about arrogance. And I don't buy that bullshit about saving money and training missions. In a tight economy it's not reasonable to be concerned about Air Force One pics in front of National monuments. Regardless, I think many of us know that there's a whiff of bullshit going on here. The question is what's the real story.
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^I'll keep my ears to the ground if you guys do, I want to get to the bottom of this...for some reason, it pisses me off.
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[QUOTE=superdave;744148]After all the reporting I'm starting to have a couple of theories on this:
The people in the White House knew that the President and Mayor of NYC wouldn't approve this. If they asked, then they knew permission would be denied. Instead they did it and hoped nothing would come of it.
Was there anyone on the plane? It could be a big donor or government official that was taking a ride. Air Force One is for the President only.
Could be other reasons, but I'm starting to think that these guys didn't do this out of stupidity and more about arrogance. And I don't buy that bullshit about saving money and training missions. In a tight economy it's not reasonable to be concerned about Air Force One pics in front of National monuments. Regardless, I think many of us know that there's a whiff of bullshit going on here. The question is what's the real story.[/QUOTE]
I somewhat agree with this here after reading this thread. This cant be just about a stupid call about getting photo ops above NYC. There are millions of places that they could have flown to get good pictures BUT they chose NYC for a reason, thats for sure.
This just proves that even after 9/11 and Katrina, that STILL there is a real serious lack of communication within our government, which is just sad. If Katrina happened all over again, I really think our government would still be as inept and retarded as it was when Katrina happened.
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[QUOTE=ddr;744187]There are millions of places that they could have flown to get good pictures BUT they chose NYC for a reason, thats for sure.[/QUOTE] well, you know... the statue of liberty just so happens to be there. :p
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Just a very stupid thing to do. And no one told Bloomberg about it....whomever gave the green light for this pohto op should lose their job.
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[quote=thegymguru;744311]Just a very stupid thing to do. And no one told Bloomberg about it....whomever gave the green light for this pohto op should lose their job.[/quote]
wow, big deal.
oh, and: Supposedly, it was just the pilot or a few people.. that means it was not called AirForceOne, the military is, IMO held up on this thing that, if the President is not on board then it is just a regular plane.. so it was just a reaaaaaaaaaaally luxurious 747.
if you read the previous page...
[quote=runningman;743853]how are we supposed to know what they were researching? Look it up and tell us. But I know what it wasn't. A photo.
This article right here tells how much of a lie it is.
[URL]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/8486044[/URL]
The White House director Caldera says
"Last week, I approved a mission over New York. I take responsibility for that decision," Caldera said. [COLOR=red]"While federal authorities took the proper steps to notify state and local authorities in New York and New Jersey, it's clear that the mission created confusion and disruption.[/COLOR] I apologize and take responsibility for any distress that flight caused."
While in the previous paragraph it states:
Even Mayor Michael Bloomberg didn't know about it, and he later called it "insensitive" to fly so near the site of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.[/quote]
also, I like superdave's response.. they just did it, and people got scared. boy, there are some contradicting articles out there..
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turns out it cost $660,000 for that picture!!!!!!!!
Probably a Saudi Prince on the plane since Obama curtsies to them
$300,000 Cost for the mission??? This was a mission!?!?!?!?!? HAHAHAHAHAHAH $330,000 for Obamas plane $30,000 for the f-16 escort.
Could have photo shopped it for $2000.
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[QUOTE=runningman;746076]turns out it cost $660,000 for that picture!!!!!!!!
Probably a Saudi Prince on the plane since Obama curtsies to them
$300,000 Cost for the mission??? This was a mission!?!?!?!?!? HAHAHAHAHAHAH $330,000 for Obamas plane $30,000 for the f-16 escort.
Could have photo shopped it for $2000.[/QUOTE] All news reports I've been able to dig up indicate that it was estimated at half that: a bit over $300K (not that this makes it "cheap").
At any rate, the main guy resigned over it as expected so that's that.
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/08/air.force.one.flyover/index.html[/url]
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i must say though... this picture is amazing:
[IMG]http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/05/08/gall.plane.gi.jpg[/IMG]
wonder if there is a ultra-hi-res of this... would make a good wallpaper imo. :)
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No you're right $330,000.. My mistake. I don't think the picture is worth that much
Photo Shop
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lol
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Where's your fuckin spirit? ........That's right Canadaland!
;) like I said before, who cares... that might be the estimated "totalcost" but cm'on thats similar to "estimating" how much it would be to "build a house using a construction company" vs. say.. if you OWNED construction company.. "everyone you know works for less, maybe even FREE.. and you get everything at cost" well, i'm sure they got it at "cost"
you can't estimate "oh.. so and so had to buy a ticket" or the f16's had to be "rented" or something?
naw, they dont pay for this shit, they just call some f16's up and they fly around like nobodies business.. its the fucking whitehouse,.. you think they need to make reservations, or gives a "flying": fuck what anyone thinks?
or, if the saudi's paid, do you think they give a damn how much is costs?
i mean, they do this for funnnnnnnnnn
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