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^^ LOL...nice

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thats fucking insulting to obama on so many levels.

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I have to say when I saw it - I never considered the potential racial connection - only the connection to an infinite number of monkeys and typewriters writing Shakespeare.

however - having now seen these cartoons!! :

[url]http://gawker.com/5155855/ten-masterpieces-from-sean-delonas[/url]

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[QUOTE=Kamal;712004]thats fucking insulting to obama on so many levels.[/QUOTE] Is it ever!! I thought it was bad enough insinuating that he was stupid. I was horrified when I realised the racial aspects.

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wow... I didn't even catch that before. I was going to say that he probably didn't really mean it as a racist insult against Obama, until I saw the link Huggie posted up there... :shock:

I dunno, maybe he just meant to capitalize on the news about that chimp to make a point about the stimulus being stupid...which would still be insensitive but not racist. For international people who may not be aware about this chimp in the news, it's a pretty tragic case:

[URL]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29227155/[/URL]

One thing that has been pointed out is that Obama didn't actually write the stimulus bill; he delegated it to people like Nancy Pelosi. But regardless, it clearly was a very stupid idea to publish this as the opportunity for racist interpretation is just way too much of a liability.

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[QUOTE=Miroslav;712290]I dunno, maybe he just meant to capitalize on the news about that chimp to make a point about the stimulus being stupid...which would still be insensitive [B][I]but not racist[/I][/B].[/QUOTE]

thats not how I see that comic strip, they shot the chimp and make the statement of finding "someone else" i.e. person. doesn't get more direct than that.

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Let me get this straight. It's all fine and cute if cartoonists depict Bush as a chimp but they can't touch that if it's Obama?

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[quote=Erik Mitchell;712549]Let me get this straight. It's all fine and cute if cartoonists depict Bush as a chimp but they can't touch that if it's Obama?[/quote]

I think that's pretty much accurate. The reason should be obvious.

Also: [IMG]http://web.mit.edu/margret/www/myndir/comics/bush_chimp.jpg[/IMG]

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Not a racist remark at all. If you thought it was racist it is because you are a racist. Bush has been the monkey for 8 years.

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[QUOTE=runningman;712560]If you thought it was racist it is because you are a racist.[/QUOTE]

:lol::lol:

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yeah, no, this is entirely racist. shocking really. i cant beleive this went to print.

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[QUOTE=Erik Mitchell;712549]Let me get this straight. It's all fine and cute if cartoonists depict Bush as a chimp but they can't touch that if it's Obama?[/QUOTE]

"depict" bush, I thought he was being photographed.

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[quote=runningman;712560]Not a racist remark at all. If you thought it was racist it is because you are a racist. Bush has been the monkey for 8 years.[/quote]

For the record, I may be in the minority on this because I actually didn't think it was intended to be a racial statement, primarily because that would be so obviously offensive, the cartoonist couldn't possibly have intended it to read that way -- it would be tantamount to kissing your career goodbye, which is irrational behavior.

Given some of the racial epithets that unfortunately form a part of our nation's history, however, it is at a minimum pretty insensitive to create a cartoon that could be interpreted that way.

That's a different question, though, than whether it is OK to refer to W as a chimp. If anything, that's insulting to the chimp. :!:

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i never thought it was racist either... i thought about that news story about the chimp attacking the lady and the cops had to kill it.... basically merging two stories together.

the fact that the actual stimulus plan was written by many people (white people too might i add) i threw out the obama insinuation which many people believe.

this is just another example of al sharpton trying to get back into the spotlight.

i also think its hilarious that calling bush a monkey isnt racist but insulting obama on any level is immediately racist... double standard to the extreme.

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This is frickin ridiculous. There is no intention of this cartoonn being racist. This has to do with all elected officials and not just obama. Runingman has a good point, if Bush was in office this would have never been considered racist. Publicity whores are blowing this out of proportion just to get attention. If the editors and cartoonist had any intention of this being racist it would have been axed immediately. Completely accidental and people need to stop playing the race card.

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[quote=srbbnd;712932]Runingman has a good point, if Bush was in office this would have never been considered racist. [/quote] Well, don't you think there is room for different racial interpretation when you make APE jokes in reference to a BLACK MAN than someone who is white? I mean, you don't have to spell it out, considering the long history of poor treatment against black people in this nation.

That said, I agree with Toasty that it wasn't intended as a racist insult. But the racial interpretation of it is obvious and understandable, and that's why it was really stupid and insensitive of that guy to draw it and the NY Post to publish it.

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well we are talking about the NY Post so I guess they got what they wanted. Any publicity is good publicity I guess.

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I think it's been mentioned already, but monkeys have always been seen as a derogatory term toward blacks. I'm not sure what the artist was thinking but I'm most certain he placed a monkey there because he knew he could get a rise out of people as most satires do. Solution? Just don't read it or pick it up. Reminds me of that terrorist satire that I think was on the cover of the New Yorker.

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decent overview of all of the above from NPR:

[url]http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=100875822[/url]

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[quote=Localizer;713029]I think it's been mentioned already, but monkeys have always been seen as a derogatory term toward blacks. I'm not sure what the artist was thinking but I'm most certain he placed a monkey there because he knew he could get a rise out of people as most satires do. Solution? Just don't read it or pick it up. Reminds me of that terrorist satire that I think was on the cover of the New Yorker.[/quote]

i wear cotton, does that make me a racist?

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^^ I guess its just a means of interpretation that differs from person to person. As Miro said it, is exactly how I interpreted the cartoon. Of course if you threw a fish as opposed to a chimp, we wouldn't even be debating the issue.

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If this country is ever to break down racial barriers and what not, we are going to have to get over being so hyper-sensitive. I recognize there is a fine line because of the atrocities that occured in the past but it's going to get really tiresome hearing every criticism tied to racism...

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^frankly at the end of the day an open dialogue about these kinds of sensitive issues is part of the solution. The cartoon is able to create such a dialogue on a very wide scale. The cartoonist knows exactly what he is doing. It is kind of a reverse psychology if you will.

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[QUOTE=Erik Mitchell;713658]If this country is ever to break down racial barriers and what not, we are going to have to get over being so hyper-sensitive. I recognize there is a fine line because of the atrocities that occured in the past but it's going to get really tiresome hearing every criticism tied to racism...[/QUOTE]

Its very easy to expect the world to forgive and forget especially when one is the offender but from the point of view of the one who is offended, you truly don't expect them to just move on do you?

Those wounds take much longer to heal and while I do realize that eventually everyone must move on, these fucked up subtle reminders do nothing but incite the feelings of anger that many expect people to just suppress and ignore.

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[quote=ddr;712787] i also think its hilarious that calling bush a monkey isnt racist but insulting obama on any level is immediately racist... double standard to the extreme.[/quote]

There [B]is[/B] a colossal difference between calling Bush a monkey and calling Obama a monkey. Given the sad history in this country of people using primate references to African-Americans as an insult, this should be obvious, and I can't believe it's necessary to point this out.

:roll:

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[quote=toasty;713678]There [B]is[/B] a colossal difference between calling Bush a monkey and calling Obama a monkey. Given the sad history in this country of people using primate references to African-Americans as an insult, this should be obvious, and I can't believe it's necessary to point this out.

:roll:[/quote]

If you want to go into history, humans came from apes, eg. monkeys. By calling someone a monkey, regardless of that person's race, that is just reinforcing our evolutionary past. Am I wrong?

Moreover, if President Obama was white, I still believe that this cartoon would have been released given the circumstances of Washington, the stimulus bill, and the shooting of the chimp earlier in the week.

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[QUOTE=ddr;713693]If you want to go into history, humans came from apes, eg. monkeys. By calling someone a monkey, regardless of that person's race, that is just reinforcing our evolutionary past. Am I wrong?[/QUOTE]

nawwwww :lol:

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[quote=Kamal;713697]nawwwww :lol:[/quote]

lol Kamal.

I am just trying to make a point where picking and choosing a specific interpretation of a word is retarded. For all we know, monkeys were Gods a million years ago. For example, Hindu's thinks that cows are Godly. But here in America, calling someone a cow is an insult to their weight.

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[quote=ddr;713693]If you want to go into history, humans came from apes, eg. monkeys. By calling someone a monkey, regardless of that person's race, that is just reinforcing our evolutionary past. Am I wrong? [/quote]

Is this really your position? You've always seemed like a pretty bright dude in the past, and I seriously can't even believe we're having this discussion.

[quote=ddr;713693] Moreover, if President Obama was white, I still believe that this cartoon would have been released given the circumstances of Washington, the stimulus bill, and the shooting of the chimp earlier in the week.[/quote]

I agree because, again, I don't actually think the cartoon was intended to be racist, nor am I even certain the chimp was supposed to be Obama -- could have been Congress. That's a different debate, though, than whether you can call a black guy a chimp without expecting some backlash (hint: you cannot). The Post's non-apology did not help. They should have said something like this:

Although the cartoon was in no way intended to have racial overtones, we understand, with the benefit of hindsight, how it could be interpreted in that fashion. To those who saw the cartoon in that light and were offended, we sincerely apologize.

How hard is that? Admits no wrongdoing but validates the concerns of those that were offended.

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[QUOTE=ddr;713701]Hindu's thinks that cows are Godly.[/QUOTE]

slap me a medium rare anytime bro.

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[quote=toasty;713706]Is this really your position? You've always seemed like a pretty bright dude in the past, and I seriously can't even believe we're having this discussion.

I agree because, again, I don't actually think the cartoon was intended to be racist, nor am I even certain the chimp was supposed to be Obama -- could have been Congress. That's a different debate, though, than whether you can call a black guy a chimp without expecting some backlash (hint: you cannot). The Post's non-apology did not help. They should have said something like this:

Although the cartoon was in no way intended to have racial overtones, we understand, with the benefit of hindsight, how it could be interpreted in that fashion. To those who saw the cartoon in that light and were offended, we sincerely apologize.

How hard is that? Admits no wrongdoing but validates the concerns of those that were offended.[/quote]

No toasty, that is not my position, hehe. I was just trying to think of another way calling someone a monkey could be construed and that is all that I could think of at that time.

I do not think that the cartoonist had any racial intentions with this cartoon and I find it being brought up, just utterly hilarious to say the least.

[quote=Kamal;713708]slap me a medium rare anytime bro.[/quote]

ditto Kamal. :)

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[QUOTE=ddr;713693]If you want to go into history, humans came from apes, eg. monkeys. By calling someone a monkey, regardless of that person's race, that is just reinforcing our evolutionary past. Am I wrong?

Moreover, if President Obama was white, I still believe that this cartoon would have been released given the circumstances of Washington, the stimulus bill, and the shooting of the chimp earlier in the week.[/QUOTE] Clutching at straws here :lol: The link that Floridaorange put up sums it up really well !!

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[quote=DIDI;713813]Clutching at straws here :lol: The link that Floridaorange put up sums it up really well !![/quote]

It is Florida Orange... Jeez..

Furthermore there should be a period after "here"

Ouch two in the same quote!:D

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[quote=runningman;713842]It is Florida Orange... Jeez..

Furthermore there should be a period after "here"

Ouch two in the same quote!:D[/quote]

While we're at it, there should be a period after your quote of the word "here," but inside the quotation marks, exactly like that comma is. :lol:

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[QUOTE=runningman;713842]It is Florida Orange... Jeez..

Furthermore there should be a period after "here"

Ouch two in the same quote!:D[/QUOTE] Hey! Don't pick on me, I don't correct spelling or grammar. I just laugh when others do !! :lol: As for the floridaorange , I believe it shows respect to use people's names they way they do. :)

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[quote=ddr;713693]If you want to go into history, humans came from apes, eg. monkeys. By calling someone a monkey, regardless of that person's race, that is just reinforcing our evolutionary past. Am I wrong?

Moreover, if President Obama was white, I still believe that this cartoon would have been released given the circumstances of Washington, the stimulus bill, and the shooting of the chimp earlier in the week.[/quote]

humans didn't come from apes or monkeys. They shared a common ancestor with them. :p

But I think you're missing the point. This country has had a history of racial tension. Saying you wear cotton isn't as bad as implying a black man is a monkey (again, because they were referred to as being inferior, just like apes way back when). Unfortunately, many black people are going to see it that way, and you really can't fault them for that. That's just the way life is.

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[QUOTE=Localizer;713903]Unfortunately, many black people are going to see it that way, and you really can't fault them for that. That's just the way life is.[/QUOTE]

That's how I saw it..... and I'm brown!