YAO go team player! You couldn't have said it any better. Some of the new players don't always understand that there is a history of posts here and time again we have all found ourselves debating the same topics with a new bunch that comes along and start speaking there mind. Howvever there has been a surge since the election, some who have really lost it and their first posts in the forum were screaming I HATE AMERICA. It gets tiring.

You have been able to remain unbiased, unlike those who are so far one direction it just comes off a bit course. Everyone has their take on what to believe after reading a post and sometimes they don't come off right. The best thing is try not to come off like you are telling someone how to believe or what to think. Some people think they have an answer for everything, and everyone has the right to know how they think. But if you shove your shit down someone else's throat we are gonna have an argument. We don't all get our news from Faux and you best respect the Independent's :wink:

Re: Backdoor Draft

[quote=Yao] I really don't believe there's no soldier that doesn't dissaprove of the war and hates it, and thinks: what the fuck am I cleaning up this goatfucker mess around here? But I also don't believe Moore saying all American soldiers saying that?[/quote]

I never said that there are NO soldiers that feel this way, I just happen to be able to state, with a reasonable amount of statistical data, that people who feel the way FTC was implying they do are in the minority.

Michael Moore, CNN, these people interviewed the parents of these soldiers, that is not the same thing. Of course there family is like WTF, I don't want my son/daughter to die. But I can state with a clear analysis of the before mentioned stats, that this is definetely what FTC was implying. Which lead me to believe that he is basing his data on Moore, and CNN, which I can assure you is completely over stating any evidence they have to support such nonsense.

For the most part, I can safely say, with a certain degree of assumption of course, that more then 50% of the American soldiers in Iraq are not against the war. Where as they certainly question its validity at some points, and whether or not there are WMD, and so on. But WMD is a whole other argument altogether, but I can also state, safely, that these same soldiers aren't on the "THere are no WMD" band wagon. And have very valid arguments to believe otherwise.

well they might have to implement a draft in order to go into all those other countries like Iran and so on.. that would be unfortunate but calling a draft is not like sending you to your death.. it is an opportunity to prove what being an american is about.. you should want ot fight if your leader says it is at war..that is easy for me to say because i am canadian but if canada was at war i would sign.. no way am i living under someone elses flag.. i have read what everybody has said so far and i have to say i lean more to Civic then FTC.. where are you from FTC turkey i think?? just for later arguement i know.. from my canadian point of view is that if i were Prime Minister of my country we would be at war as well.. as for your army is thinning. no its not. it is everywhere in the world.. they might have to leave certain spots that they are peace keeping but the UN could come and fill out the peace keeping roll.. that is for u people out there that belive the UN does something (even though they do nothing).. by the time this war is over some 50,000 troops may die.. so the fact that iraq was overthrone and only 1,000 troops died is a major victory in my eyes.. let's get over the "every life is precious" thing and talk numbers.. More then 4 million people voted for Bush.. he won in electoral votes by a land slide.. 280 something to 210 something (can't remember exact numbers).. it isn't close.. So you people out there saying go door to door and try to "impeach" you are the problem with the USA.. it is your right to say you might not agree with Bush but he is your leader now.. so rally behind him because things could get worse.. What if CHina saw this as a weak moment for the US and invaded the USA with the backing of North Korea.. you guys would be iin deep shit.. now this is improbable but this is the image you guys are giving off.. which is way more dangerous then your army losing a thousand soldiers..

Thanx Balanc3, just so I know I'm still on the right track...Good to get support like this. Respect 2u2. :RockOn:

Civic, I think you have a good point about the soldiers there, although I wouldn't name any numbers without being sure. But if it's divided about the same as in the elections (which wouldn't surprise me), you could be about right.

I think CNN is about as unbiased as its gets in the US of A, but Moore is def a democratic fundamentalist, and anti-Bush on a personal level, too. I look at him, actually he annoys me. It's easy to leave out the other side of a story when you're making a documentary, and that's exactly what he does. One-sided view.

I have no respect for anyone that thinks his truth is everybody's truth. Moore thinks liks that, and Bush too. Unfortunately.

Kerry is just a Demo-puppet.

i don't think i am making my self clear. what i meant by a 'thinning army' is that it has become less appealing to join now that there is a war. what's so hard in understanding this? you see, the US military is an employement opportunity where citizens can get and/or further an education, get a career and make the military a way of life by serving their country. But once you join the military you lose the freedom of arguing political decissions so the soldiers in Iraq haven't the luxury of deciding if they wan't to be there or not. They're following orders which resulted from their personal [u]decission[/u] to enlist. So don't try to prove me wrong with stating the obvious. What I have been trying to point out is that [u]should[/u] there be a draft there would be great division since not every citizen agrees to americas foreign policies. I have many friends in the ROTC who joined mainly for financial benefits for their schooling who disagree with the war in Iraq so quit giving me personal statistics each of us have our own. If you think I am solely basing my opinions on a single media source or an opinionated individual you are mistaken. Moore isn't the only person who has interviewed soldiers serving in Iraq or families who have lost a loved one in the war. Perhaps if some of you wouldn't accept everything they feed you and go in search for unbiased facts you would have a broader view on things with less extreme beliefs. the truth is out there, you just gotta want to find it.

[quote=Yao]I think CNN is about as unbiased as its gets in the US of A [/quote]

I've started listening to C-SPAN Radio and getting my political news that way. It can be kinda dense at times and things are not generally spoon fed to you like they are on news programs that also make an attempt to be at least marginally entertaining, but it is a pretty good source of legitimately unbiased information.

C-SPAN? Can't hear that out here...too bad.

I rather read papers, and of those I know a few that keep the news in balance, not too right or left leaning.