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Hillary nomination would be an Obama-nation

20 durable postsStarted 2008-11-23Latest 2008-11-29
#62700Post 1 of 20

By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

Published in the New York Post on November 23, 2008

[QUOTE] It is still hard to believe but, if Hillary Clinton's "confidantes" are to be trusted, Barack Obama is about to appoint her secretary of state and she is about to accept. This appointment represents the capstone of betrayal of Obama's promise to be the "change we can believe in."

Having upended the Democratic Party, largely over his different views on foreign policy and the war in Iraq, he now turns to the leader of the ancient regime he ousted, derided, mocked and criticized to take over the top international-affairs position in his administration.

No longer, apparently, does he distrust Hillary's "judgment," as he did during the debates when he denounced her vote on the Iraq War resolution. Now, all is forgiven. After all, Obama's election, the only change he apparently truly believed in, is a fait accompli.

Apart from the breathtaking cynicism of the appointment lies the total lack of foreign-policy experience in the new partnership. Neither Clinton nor Obama has spent five minutes conducting any aspect of foreign policy in the past. Neither has ever negotiated anything or dealt with diplomatic issues. It is the blonde leading the blind.

And then there is the question of whether we want a Secretary of State who is compromised, in advance, by her husband's dealings with repressive regimes in Kuwait, Kazakhstan, Dubai, the UAE, Morocco, and governments about which we know nothing. These foreign leaders have paid the Clinton family millions of dollars E2 directly and through their library and/or foundation - funds they can and have used as personal income. How do we know that she can conduct foreign policy independently even if it means biting those who have fed her and her husband?

But the most galling aspect of the appointment is that it puts Obama in the midst of an Administration which, while he appointed it, is not his own. Rather he has now created a government staffed by Clinton people, headed by Clinton appointees, and dominated by Hillary herself. He has willingly created the same untenable situation as that into which Lyndon Johnson stepped when JFK was assassinated in 1963. Johnson inherited a cabinet wholly staffed by Kennedy intimates with Bobby himself as Attorney General. LBJ had no choice and had to spend two years making the government his own. But Obama had all the options in the world and chose to fence himself in by appointing Hillary as Secretary of States, Clinton cabinet member Bill Richardson for Commerce, Clinton staffer Rahm Emanuel as his chief of staff, Clinton buddy (and top lobbyist) Tom Daschle to HHS, and Bill's Deputy Attorney General, Eric Holder, to Justice.

Presidents Clinton and Lincoln similarly appointed what Doris Kearns Goodwin has famously called a "team of rivals" to staff their cabinets and Administrations. Lincoln named all of his opponents for the Republican presidential nomination to senior posts in his cabinet and Clinton staffed his White House and much of his cabinet with ambassadors to other wings of the Democratic Party. George Stephanopoulos was his ambassador to House Majority Leader Dick Gephardt, Harold Ickes his emissary to organized labor, Al Gore his delegate to the environmentalists, Leon Panetta his liaison with Congressional committee chairmen, Ron Brown his man in the black community, and Henry Cisneros as his go-between with the Hispanics.

In each case, the president acted because to bolster his ties with the factions of his own party because he feared how he would fare with his party in total control of Congress. Neither the Republicans of 1861 nor the Democrats of 1992 saw the president from their own party as their natural leaders. Lincoln's colleagues had chosen him only after a deadlock between the two front runners had paralyzed the convention. Clinton got the nomination only after Governor Mario Cuomo of New York, the party's favorite, had pulled out. Each man was elected with barely 40% of the vote. So each felt constrained to share power with their rivals.

While Obama was not the early favorite of his party, he does not need to defer so ostentatiously to those who fought him for the nomination. His general election mandate clearly entitled him to name who he pleased. But he has chosen to nominate men and women with no loyalty to him and no real stake in his future.

And, standing above all his appointees, like a president-in-exile, is Hillary Rodham Clinton.

If Obama needed any warning about how Hillary will play the game, he need only look at how she handled her appointment. She forced Obama to see her by publicly complaining that she had not heard from him. When he raised the possibility of her appointment to State, she then leaked word that it was in the works. Even the announcement of her appointment was not made by Obama but leaked by Hillary's "confidantes."

Hillary will be a loose cannon as Secretary of State, vindicating her own agenda rather than that of the president and burnishing her own image at every turn. Not since Cordell Hull in the 30s have we had a Secretary so interested in running for president. Not since William Jennings Bryan in the 1910s have we had a defeated nominee named as Secretary. Obama will not be able to control Hillary nor will he be able to control his own administration with Emanuel as Chief of Staff. He will find that his appointees will march to the beat of their own drummer - if he is lucky - and Hillary's if he is not.

Either Obama has chosen to put himself in this untenable situation because he is not wise in the ways of Washington or because he plans to be little more than a figurehead. Given his campaign, neither seems likely. But his promise of change has proven so bankrupt that maybe the rest of his candidacy is too. [/QUOTE]

#1124313Post 2 of 20

Re: Hillary nomination would be an Obama-nation

Ya, this is something I never understood. I'm totally against her coming on board but it probably has more to do with the fact that now Obama can win over the rest of Hillary's constituency. This a strike for Obama in my book as I don't want Hillary in any part of the administration. Here's to hoping she actually becomes decent at foreign affairs.

#1124434Post 3 of 20

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Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer, IMO. By putting her in the administration, he minimizes the risk that she's going to do anything to undermine his efforts.

Apart from Hillary herself, I do think that the criticism of Obama appointing former Clinton people is a bit overstated. Bill Richardson may very well have been a member of Clinton's administration, but he publicly, and to the great consternation of the Clintons, spurned them in favor of Obama during the primaries. There are a number of folks that have been in Obama's tent from the word go that are former Clinton people, but once they align themselves with Obama with Hillary running, are they really "Clinton people" anymore?

#1124502Post 4 of 20

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[quote=toasty;679830]Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer, IMO. By putting her in the administration, he minimizes the risk that she's going to do anything to undermine his efforts.

Apart from Hillary herself, I do think that the criticism of Obama appointing former Clinton people is a bit overstated. Bill Richardson may very well have been a member of Clinton's administration, but he publicly, and to the great consternation of the Clintons, spurned them in favor of Obama during the primaries. There are a number of folks that have been in Obama's tent from the word go that are former Clinton people, but once they align themselves with Obama with Hillary running, are they really "Clinton people" anymore?[/quote]

I don't mind that other clinton officials are coming back in. I just don't like Hillary. She is the John McCain of the left, she's outspoken, overbearing, authoritative, and flip-flopper, plus a liar.

I mean, at least Chelsea Clinton is hot.

#1124507Post 5 of 20

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The most self-obsessed self-serving person sitting as SecState? I'm with Christopher Hitchens on this (new column up on Slate), this is a masochistic move.

#1124508Post 6 of 20

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[QUOTE=Localizer;679932] I mean, at least Chelsea Clinton is hot.[/QUOTE]

Who would have thought that we'd ever see this sentence used? I don't know that IO'd go so far as to call her hot, but she certainly grew into herself, that's for sure. It was a little touch and go during her younger years...

#1124535Post 7 of 20

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[quote=toasty;679830]Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer, IMO. By putting her in the administration, he minimizes the risk that she's going to do anything to undermine his efforts.

Apart from Hillary herself, I do think that the criticism of Obama appointing former Clinton people is a bit overstated. Bill Richardson may very well have been a member of Clinton's administration, but he publicly, and to the great consternation of the Clintons, spurned them in favor of Obama during the primaries. There are a number of folks that have been in Obama's tent from the word go that are former Clinton people, but once they align themselves with Obama with Hillary running, are they really "Clinton people" anymore?[/quote]

wow thats a great reason to have her sos!!!

#1124538Post 8 of 20

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^ hardly. What Toasty is suggesting is that Clinton is a good choice, not for her credentials, but because it minimizes Obama's exposure to future attacks. Is he playing president or a game of chess?

We'll find out soon enough...

#1124539Post 9 of 20

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[QUOTE=shosh;680017]wow thats a great reason to have her sos!!![/QUOTE]

Not so much that it's a great reason to have her be SOS, but it does help explain why those like Dick Morris who think that her status as a loose cannon should disqualify her are wrong. This could be the best way to ensure that she sticks with the play book.

#1124552Post 10 of 20

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[quote=toasty;680021]Not so much that it's a great reason to have her be SOS, but it does help explain why those like Dick Morris who think that her status as a loose cannon should disqualify her are wrong. This could be the best way to ensure that she sticks with the play book.[/quote]

I am more cynical. Where in the hierarchy does the SoS fall if the President, Vice President, Pres-Pro-Tem, and Speaker of the House all died? :lol:
I think Hillary would arrange for a mass execution made to look like an accident, and then the Presidency would finally be hers. ;)

#1124805Post 11 of 20

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Hillary being Secretary of State will take sometime to work itself out whether it's a good choice. I get why Obama picked her and how he appreciates differing points of view (like me). She seems very independent and not sure how she'll fall in line with the Obama administration. Again, we'll debate if she's a good pick for years.

#1125633Post 12 of 20

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it would make me and a lot of people like him 10% more. he'd be smart to work with her. she's very smart, talented and educated and is very good at foreign affairs.

#1125854Post 13 of 20

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[quote=chloe harris;681333]it would make me and a lot of people like him 10% more. he'd be smart to work with her. she's very smart, talented and educated and is very good at foreign affairs.[/quote]

I find this funny because Hillary Clinton is a hawk. Which is to say, a person I would presume you would not like.

#1125941Post 14 of 20

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[quote=88Mariner;681590]I find this funny because Hillary Clinton is a hawk. Which is to say, a person I would presume you would not like.[/quote]

For real; if anyone wants to slap a dick across the face of Iran, it's Hillary.

#1126016Post 15 of 20

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we have different opinions.

#1126023Post 16 of 20

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so you think she's a good fit for the job, even though you disagree with her on several key foreign policy matters...?

#1126031Post 17 of 20

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yes.

i have differing opinions on certain affairs but generally yes.

#1126038Post 18 of 20

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[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/3498790/Hillary-Clintons-foreign-policy-Where-she-stands-on-the-issues.html[/url] - seems pretty good imo.

#1126045Post 19 of 20

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oh god please get informed people..... some asinine things... but...

#1126055Post 20 of 20

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Great news for the Clintons, bad news for the United States. Has it ever occurred to you in, say, the last i dunno, 15 years that the Clintons do whatever is best for them, and [I]not[/I] the country? The Clintons will undermine Obama at almost every turn. To think that she has lied thousands of times in the face of the public to bolster her praisworthiness (for example, that she was named after Edmund Hillary, fird upon by snipers in Bosnia (not once but twice asserted [I]after[/I] being corrected on her mistake), [I]ad nauseum[/I]).

Do you realize she has ringing endorsements from NeoConservatives? Shouldn't that give you pause, maybe, and ask, "if the people who got us into this mess are praising her...what does this mean about her qualifications?"

The link you posted illustrates that she changes her position to the degree that it will keep her in the positive, in power, and in control. She was [I]for [/I]the Iraq war until she decided it was politically a bad idea to continue supporting it, then switched. The article clarifies, though implicitly, that she's clearly more hawkish than Obama.

Her anti-missile defense position is also worrisome, too, given that european countries may rely on that very technology against a pre-emptive Russian attack.

And she should not be trusted to even talk to the Chinese. She has so many conflicts-of-interests it isn't even funny. All sorts of fundraising from that country; will she serve the United States or the Chinese donors?

Just too many godddamn question marks over her head. Not a sign of principled leadership, not a sign of necessary foreign policy experience (after all, her main focus was, up until very recently, on domestic issues).

This to me seems more along the lines of the Palin fiasco, though less serious.

Yet, I think Hitchens waxes poetic so much better than me.

[QUOTE]In matters of foreign policy, it has been proved time and again, the Clintons are devoted to no interest other than their own. A president absolutely has to know of his chief foreign-policy executive that he or she has no other agenda than the one he has set. Who can say with a straight face that this is true of a woman whose personal ambition is without limit; whose second loyalty is to an impeached and disbarred and discredited former president; and who is ready at any moment, and on government time, to take a wheedling call from either of her bulbous brothers? This is also the unscrupulous female who until recently was willing to play the race card on President-elect Obama and (in spite of her own complete want of any foreign-policy qualifications) to ridicule him for lacking what she only knew about by way of sordid backstairs dealing. What may look like wound-healing and magnanimity to some looks like foolhardiness and masochism to me.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.slate.com/id/2205323/[/url]

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