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Cabinet Position for McCain

21 durable postsStarted 2008-11-07Latest 2008-11-08
#62050Post 1 of 21

Evidently, there is [URL="http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/2008/11/07/20081107fri1-07.html"]some consideration[/URL] for that. Might be too fresh right now, but if Obama were to reach across the aisle and try to pull McCain into the fold, though, what would be a good fit for him? He couldn't make him Secretary of Defense or Secretary of State, but Secretary of Veteran's Affairs, perhaps?

Would be great to see something like that happen, not sure if there's any precedent for it or not. Senator to lower-level cabinet post might be a step down, though...

#1116309Post 2 of 21

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pubcli pandering not only IMO, butpure fact.

#1116314Post 3 of 21

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[quote=toasty;673796]not sure if there's any precedent for it or not.[/quote]

Lincoln.

#1116318Post 4 of 21

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[QUOTE=thesightless;673797]pubcli pandering not only IMO, butpure fact.[/QUOTE]

Man you are such an unflinching cynic. Suspend your disbelief here for a moment and just play along with me -- what if Obama were to come into office and say, "You know what, I want to [B]actually [/B]govern in a bipartisan way, and I want to [B]actually [/B]hear the voice of opposition when I make decisions." What better way to both send that message [B]and actually do it[/B] than to appoint his former rival to a cabinet-level post.

#1116330Post 5 of 21

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[quote=toasty;673806]Man you are such an unflinching cynic. Suspend your disbelief here for a moment and just play along with me -- what if Obama were to come into office and say, "You know what, I want to [B]actually [/B]govern in a bipartisan way, and I want to [B]actually [/B]hear the voice of opposition when I make decisions." What better way to both send that message [B]and actually do it[/B] than to appoint his former rival to a cabinet-level post.[/quote]

he wants to govern in a bi-partisan way and then he picks rahm emmanuel (sp) as his chief of staff.

#1116331Post 6 of 21

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you know just as well as i do that modern US governemnt will prevent this for a variety of reasons.

  1. clean sweep of the congress.
  2. party heads and party orders (even presidents follow thier party orders)
  3. still have a conservative supreme court.
  4. there isnt any money left.
  5. congrssional ineptitude.

stop being brainwashed toasty, there is no change coming. just a mentally retarded president leaving office and being replaced by the greatest salesman of our generaltion backed by millions of people who couldnt hold a professional job if there lives depended on it.

#1116332Post 7 of 21

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plus he cant fix the economy when the economy is going to battle everythign he tries to do by simply taking the money away. watch. markets down and once teh auto manufacturers run out of their bail money, more unemployement.

#1116351Post 8 of 21

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look at yourself. I float the idea that Obama [B]might [/B]-- not will, but [B]might [/B]-- actually make an [B]effort [/B]to fulfill his promise to pursue bipartisan compromise, and you mock the mere [B]idea[/B]. You have become a caricature of the very hyperpartisan hacks you pretend to hate.

#1116352Post 9 of 21

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mcCain is not reaching across the isle. He is in the isle. Picking Newt would be reaching across the isle.

#1116353Post 10 of 21

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[quote=shosh;673819]he wants to govern in a bi-partisan way and then he picks rahm emmanuel (sp) as his chief of staff.[/quote]

I think this is a naive statement in the fact that I take it your assumption is that he picked Rahm Emanuel to pound down the Congressional Republicans (let me know if I am wrong on this). What if, he picked Emanuel to actually clamp down on his own party because, as a very adept and savvy politician, he wants to rule from the center, and not let the left-wing of the Democratic Congress try to ruin his presidency by ramming their legislation through Congress. Emanuel is a centrist, need I remind you. Obama saw what ruling from the center did for President Clinton and I think that is exactly what he intends to do.

#1116357Post 11 of 21

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[QUOTE=CactusBeats;673843] What if, he picked Emanuel to actually clamp down on his own party [/QUOTE]

This is actually a really good point. Rahm is definitely known as an enforcer and someone that gets shit done, but that's referring to interparty stuff. He's the party heavy, sort of an unofficial party whip, but he's not an ultraliberal guy.

#1116364Post 12 of 21

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[quote=toasty;673841]look at yourself. I float the idea that Obama [B]might [/B]-- not will, but [B]might [/B]-- actually make an [B]effort [/B]to fulfill his promise to pursue bipartisan compromise, and you mock the mere [B]idea[/B]. You have become a caricature of the very hyperpartisan hacks you pretend to hate.[/quote]

might he try, yes. might GWB cure cancer tomorrow, sure. might isnt getting it done. and our position both domestically and internationally is so far beyond trouble status we dont need hope, we need a drill sergeant.

maybe i am a caricature , but im an equeal oppurtunity hater. the best thing out of tuesday is that the do nothing congress is gone. one way or another something will get passed.

effort does not equal result. i can keep trying to fly unaided, giving it all, it aint gonna happen. take your silly hope for a cure to our nations ills and sell it to someone less intelligent. oh wait, that was the last 21 months.

sorry i advocate an alternative option to the two that have gutted our country. but dont worry folks, barak is gonna fix everything, right after the industries fail, wall street tanks, and unemplyement rises.

you hold on to these sales pitches from politicians who have done nothing but prove thier incapacity to drive the bus over time. but ok, he MIGHT pick a republican who alienated himself from his own party. go pick some vile fuck form the south who still beleives in segregation. thats crossing the lines. mccain is a liberal right winger who couldnt find his way out of a cardboard box, evidenced by him picking hitler reincarnate as a running mate.

take your mouths off his cock and investigate HOW he will try to do things in terms of execution of legal reform, stimulus, labor reform, taxation etc. ill tell ya how, he is gonna rely on the same people who have been in power for the last 2 decades or so.

#1116365Post 13 of 21

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[quote=toasty;673847]This is actually a really good point. Rahm is definitely known as an enforcer and someone that gets shit done, but that's referring to interparty stuff. He's the party heavy, sort of an unofficial party whip, but he's not an ultraliberal guy.[/quote]

he's also not bi-partisan, an 'across the isle' guy either

#1116372Post 14 of 21

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[QUOTE=thesightless;673854]might he try, yes. etc. etc.[/QUOTE]

You're already chastising the guy without even giving him the opportunity to fuck things up first. It's a fait accompli as far as you're concerned. Have an open mind, ffs. How you walk around day to day with that soul-crushing pessimism, I'll never understand.

#1116376Post 15 of 21

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[quote=toasty;673862]You're already chastising the guy without even giving him the opportunity to fuck things up first. It's a fait accompli as far as you're concerned. Have an open mind, ffs. How you walk around day to day with that soul-crushing pessimism, I'll never understand.[/quote]

im starting out hoping he wont fuck shit up. and i actually believe that maybe for the first term he wont, so he can get re-elected. i dont think or hope he will do anything good but i pray he wont fuck anything up too bad.

btw, i loled @ change.gov

#1116381Post 16 of 21

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[QUOTE=shosh;673867]im starting out hoping he wont fuck shit up. and i actually believe that maybe for the first term he wont, so he can get re-elected. i dont think or hope he will do anything good but i pray he wont fuck anything up too bad. [/QUOTE]

That's all I'm asking, that folks keep a bit of an open mind. The guy hasn't even been inaugurated yet, and sean's half way to Canada. He's been elected now, and I'm done with my sales pitch -- we're all in this together now, so let's hope for the best...

#1116386Post 17 of 21

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jimbo, you take my cynicism for doomsday , it isnt, it is a statement of fact that all the hope nonsense is complete horseshit. he isnt going to gut anything but the market, but thats between his economic and tax plans and wall street. he cant possibly make things worse. WE HAD A RETARDED MAN IN OFFICE, and to get any worse, we would have to elect the taliban. but comona already, its like since he got elected all the obama zombies suddenly reverse course on the shit they have been spewing about him and how he will CHANGE. nothing is gonna change, nothing is gonna get remarkably wrose or better outside of economy which will contract. in fact, we're in worse trouble in certain ascepts as much as other aspects will improve.

notably what does he tell major labor? the current situation clearly dictates either massive layoffs or a contract renegotiation at every basic level. both items are something the unions will clealry fight tooth and nail. he will have to oversee this.

how in the worls can he possibly think about that "civiain police force"

how can he reasonably think that his tax plan will be embraced by the money holders?

where is the funding coming from for any of this? even if we rapidly detract military spending?>

sorry, im an accountant at heart, and i ask questions until i see every step of teh process accounted for, and frankly, there are so many obstacles to factor into it...

IMHO, teh one guy who should have been running for president that didnt is michael bloomberg. he fixed NYC's problems very well, got it up and runnign again, balanced leadership to the point where they just approved legislation for him to be the first mayor of NYC to have a third term. he pisses both parties off by being extremely socially liberal, handling a variety of aid based programs, he bitch slapped the teachers unions into fixing themselves, got the cops a contract that is reasonable considering the lack of revenues in NYC (everyone is essentially poor). crime is down, tourism up, cleaner etc.

#1116430Post 18 of 21

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Toasty

As a non American I have had serious doubts about Obama - I don't believe he was the best Democrat out there, and whilst I really couldn't fathom another Republican, McCain seemed far removed from your current Pres.

However, whilst I dont think McCain should be offered a post in the new administration, there are probably some Republicans who could.

When Gordon Brown took over office in the UK there was a load of talk of him offering a senior post to the Lib Dems - fuck that, my country is governed (sometimes successfully other times not) by co-alition governments.

Whilst I still have serious doubts about you Pres elect, I do believe that he could (and its a huge could) show us a different style of governance, and offering posts to republicans or even 'non-politicos' might be a good idea as long as its genuine!!!

#1116437Post 19 of 21

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[QUOTE=toasty;673796]Evidently, there is [URL="http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/2008/11/07/20081107fri1-07.html"]some consideration[/URL] for that. Might be too fresh right now, but if Obama were to reach across the aisle and try to pull McCain into the fold, though, what would be a good fit for him? He couldn't make him Secretary of Defense or Secretary of State, but Secretary of Veteran's Affairs, perhaps?

Would be great to see something like that happen, not sure if there's any precedent for it or not. Senator to lower-level cabinet post might be a step down, though...[/QUOTE]

it's certainly a possibility and it certainly would be interesting no doubt. either way I am just hoping for the best out of our new leader. gotta have hope!

#1116510Post 20 of 21

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[quote=CactusBeats;673843]I think this is a naive statement in the fact that I take it your assumption is that he picked Rahm Emanuel to pound down the Congressional Republicans (let me know if I am wrong on this). What if, he picked Emanuel to actually clamp down on his own party because, as a very adept and savvy politician, he wants to rule from the center, and not let the left-wing of the Democratic Congress try to ruin his presidency by ramming their legislation through Congress. Emanuel is a centrist, need I remind you. Obama saw what ruling from the center did for President Clinton and I think that is exactly what he intends to do.[/quote]

Rahm is more to the left instead of center. He's just very stubborn. If anything, Axelrod is the centrist.

#1116520Post 21 of 21

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[quote=davetlv;673924]Toasty

As a non American I have had serious doubts about Obama - I don't believe he was the best Democrat out there, and whilst I really couldn't fathom another Republican, McCain seemed far removed from your current Pres.

However, whilst I dont think McCain should be offered a post in the new administration, there are probably some Republicans who could.

When Gordon Brown took over office in the UK there was a load of talk of him offering a senior post to the Lib Dems - fuck that, my country is governed (sometimes successfully other times not) by co-alition governments.

Whilst I still have serious doubts about you Pres elect, I do believe that he could (and its a huge could) show us a different style of governance, and offering posts to republicans or even 'non-politicos' might be a good idea as long as its genuine!!![/quote]

You got Rahm sitting in our dam cabinet now whose parents were zionists. A lot of our taxpayer money will be funneled to your country. Plus you got the passive Axelrod. This is a dream come true for the israelites.

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