[ms] · Est. May 2002
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starting with this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWZHTJsR4Bc[/youtube]
you have to be fucking kidding me. fucking, fucking fucking kidding me.
They realized all this about this person within a few days of picking her and yet they went ahead for two months bullshitting us ... and risking the live possibility that she could be president of the United States at a moment's notice after next January.
:BangHead::BangHead::BangHead:
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yup.
they all lied to everyone to save face. once they lost, everything goes out the window and the truth finally comes out.
now we can all hope to god she stays in Alaska.
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[QUOTE=88Mariner;672897]They realized all this about this person within a few days of picking her and yet they went ahead for two months bullshitting us ... and risking the live possibility that she could be president of the United States at a moment's notice after next January.[/QUOTE]
gasp No...not the Re[I]pub[/I]licans. They would [I]never[/I] do something like [I]that[/I]. This is just more of that "gotcha" journalism!
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Hopefully more stories come out and it completely ruins her chances of ever being even in consideration for VP/President again. In fact, hopefully it ruins her reputation in Alaska too and she gets kicked out of Governor at next election... someone that accepts the job of potential VP with that lack of knowledge should absolutely not be in a position of power. At all.
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say that this IS an 'inside' hit job. Well, why the hell is a hit job coming from her very campaign? What is to be gained? Cui Bono?
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it doesn't tick me off as much to know that she wasn't a worthy potential VP, it ticks me off more that McCain who's way more knowledgeable/experienced than her STILL chose her and RAN with it trying to convince everyone she would make a worthy president. A PRESIDENT for chrissakes.
Just goes to tell you how crappy the McCain presidency would've really been considering even their internal team had people like Palin who wouldn't even prepare for a measly interview with Couric, what preparation (if any) did they have to take on the problems this nation is going through today.
speechless.
Guess she can go back to the shack she reported to everyday in Wasalasa whatever the fuck it is in Alaska.
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[QUOTE]Palin didn't know Africa was a continent[/QUOTE]
I'm not surprised one bit.. two weeks before election day there were reports that McCain advisors were annoyed with Palin giving impromptu interviews and answering questions without being coached etc...
i just hope she seriously goes away, and at least educates herself a bit more before she tries to run for anything significant again. the only thing is she comes across as way too arrogant to do so, which is fine, because that will just give us more material to have a good laugh at
and all these women with their little pink mccain/palin stickers on your vehicles, open your eyes and ears for gods sake
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[QUOTE=88Mariner;672924]say that this IS an 'inside' hit job. Well, why the hell is a hit job coming from her very campaign? What is to be gained? Cui Bono?[/QUOTE]
I think it's pretty clear that the McCain campaign and the Palin agenda were not one and the same. Indeed, McCain and Palin represent two different constituencies in the Republican party -- Palin appeals to the Bitters that cling to guns and religion and yell out racial epithets at rallies, and I can't tell you exactly who McCain represents right now, but I suppose it would be the more centrist wing of the party. The GOP is probably -- well, make that definitely -- doing some soul-searching right now, and maybe they've concluded that putting some distance between themselves and the Bitters is a good move in the long term, that the Rove strategy of running to the right isn't likely to be what they need to get their house back in order.
Throw Sarah under the bus, and send a message that the party is looking to put the Sarah Palin era behind it.
Dunno though. Just a thought, but the fact that this is on Fox makes it more likely that this is going to be the official message coming out of the GOP, IMO.
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the only person to blame is McCain. I can't believe that they would slander Palin like this. Yes she is stupid but McCain could have picked anyone. It just goes to show that McCain wasn't a great leader because he made a mistake right away.
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if they ahd a clue they would find the guy who outcasts the ultra right wingers the most and put his name in tomorrow. whomever palin hates the most from her party, thats the person.
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One more thing and then I'll try to resist the temptation to beat this dead horse -- Newsweek reported that Palin wanted to speak on election night, too, but McCain shot that down. I thought McCain's concession speech was outstanding, and showed, for the first time in a long time, the reason that people liked John McCain so much to begin with -- but I couldn't help but notice how small Palin looked standing there behind him, lips clenched tightly, like she was trying to hold back from yelling out some crazy shit. Gave me great joy...
Best picture I could find of it, but it really doesn't do the moment any justice:
[IMG]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/11/05/article-1083142-025D0CF7000005DC-724_468x338.jpg[/IMG]
as an aside, doesn't McCain kinda look like he's wearing a superhero utility belt in this photo?
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look, after Obama chose Biden, McCain didn't have a choice. He was going to get destroyed. His only chance was to really really really [I]rally[/I] everyone....by throwing a hail-mary pass towards the endzone. Sarah Palin was that hail-marry pass.
McCain isn't to blame; Bill Kristol is to blame. Social conservatives are to blame. We should have to be choosing batshit crazy christians to 'appeal' to christians to get out the vote because they think we're on thier team. That shit has got to stop. The pandering to christians must stop.
Ayn Rand had it right: the GOP lost its soul when it began to embrace faith over empiricism.
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[QUOTE=88Mariner;673074]The pandering to christians must stop.
Ayn Rand had it right: the GOP lost its soul when it began to embrace faith over empiricism.[/QUOTE]
could not agree more.
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without the Christians the the Republicans are nothing
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[QUOTE=88Mariner;673074]look, after Obama chose Biden, McCain didn't have a choice. He was going to get destroyed. His only chance was to really really really [I]rally[/I] everyone....by throwing a hail-mary pass towards the endzone. Sarah Palin was that hail-marry pass.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this 1000%. McCain was already fading before he picked Palin, and going with Romney, Pawlenty, etc. would not have changed that trajectory, so McCain did what he had to do to change the narrative. Palin will ultimately go down as a net negative, I think, but she wasn't the reason McCain lost. McCain lost, in my opinion, because:
and perhaps most importantly,
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^ fair point.
My thought is that, if he was going to lose, and if he had to throw a hail mary pass, he should have stuck with a person like Romney, Crist, or Flake for the sake of sanity and the party. and for the off-chance that he could pull off a win. and for his reputation, and for his legacy.
I think you managed to outline all the circumstances as to why Obama won, which I think weigh more heavily than the message he was giving. His substantive policies were not all that great or different, and we're seeing his cabinet is filling up with clintonites and the establishment. His message wasn't all that unique, save for his skin colour. A white person with the same message, you'd have to agree, would [I]never[/I] have gained the momentum he did.
All in all, McCain defeated McCain. The same way McCain came to be chosen as the GOP candidate is the same way Obama won the election: the attrition of the opponents and the major mistakes made by everyone else.
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[QUOTE=toasty;673083]3. He ran an erratic, undisciplined campaign that constantly changed message and messenger, lacked any real consistency and at times looked panicked; [/QUOTE]
to me, that right there was probably McCains biggest downfall. It was clear as daylight that his intensity for a victory was starting to get the better of him and he let the floodgates of blinding-desperation open, especially through the debates. I didnt follow the campaigning long enough to know when the downfall started for him, but I do feel the presidential debates seemed to have sealed it for him.
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I think george will has summed it up nicely
[QUOTE] Although John McCain’s loss was not as numerically stunning as the 1964 defeat of Barry Goldwater, who won 16 fewer states and 122 fewer electoral votes than McCain seems to have won as of this writing, Tuesday’s trouncing was more dispiriting for conservatives. Goldwater’s loss was constructive; it invigorated his party by reorienting it ideologically. McCain’s loss was sterile, containing no seeds of intellectual rebirth. [/QUOTE]
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wheeee this is getting FUN!!!
I'll quote some of the highlights later! Hopefully there will be more articles like this bc it will help ensure that we don't have to deal with her again in 4 years!
[URL]http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5gYZbTxSNljYjG82pCa7QmO35faSg[/URL] [URL]http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/story?id=6196407&page=1[/URL] [URL]http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/11/what-sarah-pali.html[/URL] [URL]http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24613598-5013948,00.html[/URL]
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[IMG]http://www.drawger.com/zinasaunders/images/Morning-After.jpg[/IMG]
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Sarah Palin is the Paris Hilton of the politican world.
Follow me closely here:
Sarah Palin Parah Salin Paras Halin ...Paris Hilton!
eek! :shock:
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^^^Not even six degrees :lol:
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[QUOTE=88Mariner;672924]say that this IS an 'inside' hit job. Well, why the hell is a hit job coming from her very campaign? What is to be gained? Cui Bono?[/QUOTE]
Well, we might have our answer now -- I guess some of the members of McCain's staff were Romney supporters before they joined up with McCain. Palin v Romney would appear to be a likely primary battle in 2012 -- ergo, why not try to knock her out of the box now?
[url]http://wonkette.com/404240/sarah-palin-trashers-are-mostly-ex-romney-people#more-404240[/url]
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just so disappointed seeing how McCain's camp is now shitting all over Palin by tongue in cheek pointing her out to be the reason McCain didn't win.
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[QUOTE=Fez Up;673619]just so disappointed seeing how McCain's camp is now shitting all over Palin by tongue in cheek pointing out her out to be the reason McCain didn't win.[/QUOTE]
It's as if they don't realize that a large part of the reason she cost him so many votes is that people didn't like [B]him[/B] for picking her...
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you know what's really hurtful? that some friends and family continue to defend this uppity beyotch.
they are CONVINCED, just like the grass in green, that she is awesome.
this is the effect of Faux News.
I want my family back :(
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Making her the 2012 Republican nominee will just solidify the Republican Party's permanent minority status. There is no way she could ever get more than 50% of the vote, [B][I]anywhere[/I][/B]. She only becomes dangerous when there is a viable third party, which is [B][I]EXACTLY[/I][/B] how she became Governor of Alaska. Watch the 2006 Alaska Governor's debate. After seeing that I was like - "Good God! How did she get elected??" Oh yeah, the other two candidates were outstanding, and she split the difference. Really, you gotta watch it. It's on C-Span.org
I hope she is the future of the Republican Party. She will simply render them, [B][I]irrelevent.[/I][/B] :p
She has become the object of ridicule. In American politics, that can be very difficult to overcome, especially when the most intelligent people in your own party are leaving in droves. About the only thing she could ever get elected to again is the position of Iron Dog Race Queen (her husband is a two-time winner of this 2000 mile snowmobile race - she says).
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jindal ftw
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it would be funny if Obama picked Palin for anything just to shove it up McCains ass... well not really because she is stupid but I wish just to see the look on old man winters face.