[QUOTE]I can't tell you how many friends have called from overseas saying, "Come on, do you naïve people in America really believe Barack Obama is going to win?" One friend incredulously asked over the weekend, "Do you think there is any way that America elects a black man for president?!" Let alone one named Barack Obama?

They don't believe we have it in us. That's an important statement. They don't believe in America. They think we have fake ideals and use our purported American values as a guise to steal other people's natural resources. They think we are now -- and always have been -- run by the George W. Bush's of the world. They think John McCain is exactly that type of man and the powers that be are going to make sure he wins no matter what.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/electing-obama-would-show_b_138886.html[/url]

Agree/disagree?

Re: FAO Non-Americans

ive gotten the same questions from friends in Mexico, nobody really thinks we can elect a black man for president.

Re: FAO Non-Americans

completely DISAGREE

shame they think that way.

Re: FAO Non-Americans

[QUOTE=thesightless;669132]completely DISAGREE

shame they think that way.[/QUOTE]

What exactly have we done recently to dispel them of that notion? I obviously disagree, but I can't say I'm surprised that someone that doesn't live here might think that, based upon the coverage we probably get oversees.

Re: FAO Non-Americans

[quote=toasty;669135]What exactly have we done recently to dispel them of that notion? [/quote]

Remember hurricane Kartina. From the coverage they saw, it was a bunch of black people being stranded in a drowning city. A lot of friends from overseas took the impresion that black people werent treated the best in the US.

Re: FAO Non-Americans

[QUOTE=speciale;669156]Remember hurricane Kartina. From the coverage they saw, it was a bunch of black people being stranded in a drowning city. A lot of friends from overseas took the impresion that black people werent treated the best in the US.[/QUOTE]

I think we actually agree with one another on this. Am I missing something?

On a totally different note, I had an exchange with someone on another board earlier today in which Hurricane Katrina was trumpeted as a success for the republican party. Shit like that alerts you that intelligent discussion is impossible.

Re: FAO Non-Americans

[quote=toasty;669162]I think we actually agree with one another on this. Am I missing something? [/quote]

no I missed something. which was the word dispel in your post. my bad. ;)

Re: FAO Non-Americans

Do you guys actually believe that Obama is going to make it to the White House?? Nobody in Canada thinks the US can elect a black prez.

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDMyArnIdzY[/URL]

Re: FAO Non-Americans

disagree. voting for someone on the basis of color is a racist thing, no matter which side of the coin you look at.

voting for issue-based, vision-based thing is another. It just so happens that Obama has met the crossroads with america with millions of us sick of what the last few years have been like.

if Obama was pushing mccains policies, i would definitely not vote for him, and i hope some of you have the balls to admit this. It's not that he's black (he's only half black anyway), but even those his policies suck, they're less-suck than mccain, significantly. and he's demonstrated himself to be cool calm and collected.

Wait till jindal in 2012. you'll see a massive outpouring of people who like mccain/palin voting for this guy simply to prove they aren't racist.

fascinating.

as far as 'if we can handle a black president', fuck the rest of the world. I'm more inclined to listen to them on matters of foreign policy, and foreign policy only.

Re: FAO Non-Americans

[quote=runningman;669175]Do you guys actually believe that Obama is going to make it to the White House?? Nobody in Canada thinks the US can elect a black prez.[/quote]

As much as i dont want obama to win, the only good i see out of him winning is the end of the careers of Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton. Hopefully it will be the end of affirmative action.

Re: FAO Non-Americans

yes he will win. and man this is really sad listening to you guys talk about america.

Re: FAO Non-Americans

sometimes the hardest thing to do is look in the mirror. What is really sad is what America has become.

Re: FAO Non-Americans

[quote=runningman;669196]sometimes the hardest thing to do is look in the mirror. What is really sad is what America has become.[/quote]

I disagree. I am very proud to be an American. It is still the land of opportunity and the greatest country to live in. I wouldn't want to live any where else.

Re: FAO Non-Americans

yea from all my travels ive come to enjoy where i live, seattle, because its very openminded to other areas of the states. i forget that all states aren't like mine and when i travel around i'll notice little differences that are big differences.

there are people in other countries who are much freer, and then there are people who aren't free at all, but to say america is a free nation anymore is silly imo.

it never really has been. its free to those who don't ruffle its feathers perhaps.

that said, i was really happy moving back to seattle from london after 4 years. i was much freer in london than i was in america, but the everyday people you deal with were total dicks. and i really missed how excited americans are. they love a good story and they love a good bit of friendly banter.

Re: FAO Non-Americans

I wish I could move to Seattle.. I have never been but pics are always amazing. Must go before I die for sure!!

I agree the US still is the land of opportunity but with Martial Law on the horizon and with financial criminals still out there running your markets it is getting hard to say that you guys are a free society. I mean you guys are fighting for Iraq to be free yet nobody is fighting on the homeland to secure your freedoms. Do you know that Bush is trying to make himself immune from punishment in the future for the torturing and rendition that has been going on?? I mean Jesus you guys have lost your way over the last decade and with these two candidates I see before me it is going to be another bad four years.

Re: FAO Non-Americans

[quote=runningman;669207]I wish I could move to Seattle.. I have never been but pics are always amazing. Must go before I die for sure!!

I agree the US still is the land of opportunity but with Martial Law on the horizon and with financial criminals still out there running your markets it is getting hard to say that you guys are a free society. I mean you guys are fighting for Iraq to be free yet nobody is fighting on the homeland to secure your freedoms. Do you know that Bush is trying to make himself immune from punishment in the future for the torturing and rendition that has been going on?? I mean Jesus you guys have lost your way over the last decade and with these two candidates I see before me it is going to be another bad four years.[/quote]

seems like you have an issue with Bush. He does not represent all of us.

I live free as hell where I am. This is a country where someone can put a doll of a VP candidate hanging in a noose in front of their house. How can one say we are not free?

Re: FAO Non-Americans

[QUOTE=chloe harris;669206]yea from all my travels ive come to enjoy where i live, seattle, because its very openminded to other areas of the states. i forget that all states aren't like mine and when i travel around i'll notice little differences that are big differences.[/QUOTE]

I travel quite a bit for work, and I'm struck by how diverse a nation we are. I've lived on the east coast, the west coast, and in the midwest, and they all have their own distinct vibe. And from a pure geology standpoint, whether you want hot, cold, rugged, lush, tropical, or desert, we've got it. Really cool when you think about it...

Re: FAO Non-Americans

totally agree toasty. we are one of the most diverse countries out there.

Re: FAO Non-Americans

i too have spoken with friends in europe and none of them have brought up the subject of race. the ones i have spoken with seem worried of what will happen to the markets once he gets ellected and also seem to think that all he does is feed people bullshit.

Re: katrina - im fuckin sick and tired of hearing people say that the blacks were left there stranded and how people were treated. everyone was told to evacuate. i have family who evacuated. the ones (majority blacks) who stayed behind did so of their own choosing and with other purposes in mind (see looting, etc).

EDIT: in b4 shosh is racist

Re: FAO Non-Americans

[QUOTE=shosh;669258] Re: katrina - im fuckin sick and tired of hearing people say that the blacks were left there stranded and how people were treated. everyone was told to evacuate. i have family who evacuated. the ones (majority blacks) who stayed behind did so of their own choosing and with other purposes in mind (see looting, etc).

EDIT: in b4 shosh is racist[/QUOTE]

The majority of those people that didn't evacuate:

1. Had nowhere to go
2. Couldn't leave, didn't have the means to
3. They're called poor people, it's it's called poverty

:roll:

Re: FAO Non-Americans

[quote=Jenks;669266]The majority of those people that didn't evacuate:

1. Had nowhere to go
2. Couldn't leave, didn't have the means to
3. They're called poor people, it's it's called poverty

:roll:[/quote]

Actually there were buses there for them to get them out. Being poor is one thing, but being stupid is another. Using an excuse of being poor to keep yourself in harms way is stupid. They had transportation available for them to evacuate.

Re: FAO Non-Americans

[quote=shosh;669258]i too have spoken with friends in europe and none of them have brought up the subject of race. the ones i have spoken with seem worried of what will happen to the markets once he gets ellected and also seem to think that [B]all he does is feed people bullshit.[/B]

[/quote]

:roll: this could be a blanket statement for any politician

and dont you think McCain choosing some tart as his running mate was a load a bullshit he tried to shove down the country's throat? do you really think he looked around and said, yeah, she's the BEST qualified I can come up with for my potential VP

as far as the african american thing goes.. it blows me away how much open racism there is in europe, so it doesnt surprise me that it is looked at in that regard

Re: FAO Non-Americans

[quote=speciale;669212]seems like you have an issue with Bush. He does not represent all of us.[/quote]

Unfortunately, he represents the majority of you... as it was your country that elected him. The majority of you voted for him.

d.

Re: FAO Non-Americans

^^ Some would debate that. You obviously don't know about the voting controversies in the last election.

Yes, America has problems just like other nations. Guess what, world: life is not perfect here. But life is also much worse in many other areas of the world; we can still be thankful for all that we have.

Re: FAO Non-Americans

We get good coverage here and everyone I know thinks that Obama not only will win, but that he should. The astounding thing to me is that he and Cain/Palin are so close in the polls . I really hope it turns out to be a landslide. President Obama does sound just a tad strange in comparison to your usual president names. Definitely not a bread and butter name! :lol:

Re: FAO Non-Americans

^^^ as strange as it may sound, I must say its it a hell of a lot better than...

President Bush President McCain

or god forbid.. President Palin :shock:

Re: FAO Non-Americans

[quote=Steve Graham;669554]^^^ as strange as it may sound, I must say its it a hell of a lot better than...

President Bush President McCain

or god forbid.. President Palin :shock:[/quote]

or even worse, President Angry Joe Biden :p

Re: FAO Non-Americans

If it was a fair election everyone would be able to vote and you would get a receipt of who you voted for. I can't believe that the US still after all these elections can't count. I still think McCain might win because shit Kerry beat Bush last time and Bush was President. The election machines are rigged.

Re: FAO Non-Americans

[QUOTE=88Mariner;669176]disagree. voting for someone on the basis of color is a racist thing, no matter which side of the coin you look at.[/QUOTE]

that would explain all the black presidents of yesteryears

Re: FAO Non-Americans

[QUOTE=dylan.lindgren;669459]Unfortunately, he represents the majority of you... as it was your country that elected him. The majority of you voted for him.[/QUOTE]

TWICE at that..... THAT is something I can't swallow. I'm not born here but I have come to accept the US as my home (having been here for the last 11+ years) and THIS is the one thing that truly disturbs me.

Re: FAO Non-Americans

[quote=speciale;669560]or even worse, President Angry Joe Biden :p[/quote]

where is he angry?

Re: FAO Non-Americans

[quote=Fez Up;669719]TWICE at that..... THAT is something I can't swallow. I'm not born here but I have come to accept the US as my home (having been here for the last 11+ years) and THIS is the one thing that truly disturbs me.[/quote]

yea the first time the republicans stole the election and had dead people voting for bush, the second time all the born again christians came out to vote for bushy and we had confusing ballots. it was pretty awesome.

i love freedumb!

Re: FAO Non-Americans

and this time the voting machine will be rigged... yay!!

Re: FAO Non-Americans

[quote=chloe harris;669892]where is he angry?[/quote]

watch any of his interviews or speeches. He is always pissed off.

Re: FAO Non-Americans

lol, yeah, he is always pissed.

biden always pissed barney frank always flabbergasted bush always clueless mccain eerily calm palin always vile obama always talking LOUD

Re: FAO Non-Americans

[quote=thesightless;670137]lol, yeah, he is always pissed.

biden always pissed barney frank always flabbergasted bush always clueless mccain eerily calm palin always vile obama always talking LOUD[/quote]

you forgot pelosi always dumb as shit

Re: FAO Non-Americans

[quote=speciale;669906]watch any of his interviews or speeches. He is always pissed off.[/quote]

yea i have done. maybe he's just pissed off in similar ways i am so i don't notice him being pissed off.

:lol:

Re: FAO Non-Americans

[QUOTE=Steve Graham;669554]^^^ as strange as it may sound, I must say its it a hell of a lot better than...

President Bush President McCain

or god forbid.. President Palin :shock:[/QUOTE] I'm really looking forward to saying President Obama. :D

I haven't seen a lot of Joe Biden. But what I have seen he certainly wasn't pissed. Loved him in the debate and he has a great grin !! Ditto in that interview with Barbra :lol:

Re: FAO Non-Americans

Many of my friends would root for Obama here in The Netherlands, probably because in out political spectrum he would still be in the middle, not left. I personally believe that it is ver possible that the US is going to have a black president, but I also tend to think that an assasination attempt is a very real possibility during his presidency, simply because a black president (and being a democrat) wil sharpen the attitudes that some of the more extreme minds in society already have, some of which are militant.