Credit where credit is due -- from a "throwing red meat to the mouth-breathers" standpoint, she hit a home run. The GOP faithful will probably love that. Sounds like Rush Limbaugh wrote it, but I guess that's what you get to do when you're in a speech as opposed to a debate.

The bad news? She's probably a better speaker than McCain and might just upstage him.

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just posted this in the Sarah Failin' thread that is apropos your statement above.

[QUOTE] Sometimes you catch a bit of a news report or a piece of text from an article that beautifully frames what a phony game all this convention business really is. Happened to me this evening while reading the [I]Washington Post[/I], [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/03/AR2008090301176.html"]with this passage: [/URL] [INDENT][QUOTE] Sitting around a dining room table, the McCain team has talked to her about Iraq, energy and the economy but has focused on what she should say in her speech, struggling almost as hard as she has to prepare for what will be, along with a debate in October, her main opportunity to shape the way she is viewed by voters. Not anticipating that McCain would choose a woman as his running mate, the speech that was prepared in advance was "very masculine," according to campaign manager Rick Davis, and "we had to start from scratch."
[/QUOTE]Few politicians write their own speeches anymore. But even my jaded eyes bugged at the idea that McCain’s campaign had already written tonight’s speech [I]before they knew who the running mate would be[/I]. [/INDENT][/QUOTE]

[URL]http://www.theagitator.com/[/URL]

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She didn't have a vote for McCain from me to begin with because I'm am fucking sick and tired of conservatism. I hate it.

Props to a red meat-laden speech though. Better at making speeches than McCain.

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Thought she did a really good job. Really getting tired of the POW/Veteran thing tho, and i come from a family of veterans.

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didnt like the content but she did was she was supposed to do!

{dont want to thread hijack - but it really erks me that so many supporters have taken the 'hot chick ' hottest VP' route on badges,buttons etc etc. IF she is a good candidate shouldnt they be focusing on the issues? - the potential first female VP - and the support is coming with 'hot chick'!}

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[quote=Jenks;644318]Thought she did a really good job. Really getting tired of the POW/Veteran thing tho, and i come from a family of veterans.[/quote]

Same here. My dad and my brother are both proud of their service but don't like being worshipped and fancied as gods by Republicans.

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there's a huge, vast, cavernous distinction between conservatism and republicanism. i hope by now my posts have helped you discern the two.

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The speech was very good. However, this by no means changes the facts about her.(And the Republican party) But now McCains choice does make a bit more sense.

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I thought Palin did well too. I thought it was good the way she introduced her family, talked about her accomplishments, why McCain is the right choice and of course attack the opponent.

Although I'm impressed by both her and Obama and their speech making abilities and charisma, I still don't think either candidate is qualified to be President. However, having either McCain or Biden to help is a good thing.

It is refreshing to have new candidates and politicians to choose. The last 2 weeks seeing Hillary, Bill, Joe, Fred and Rudy gets old election after election. Don't get me wrong, we need that experience too. However, it's definitely an exciting time to have two candidates like Obama and Palin.

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diddy didn't like it...

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE-gH1RPevQ[/YOUTUBE]

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[quote=88Mariner;644323]there's a huge, vast, cavernous distinction between conservatism and republicanism. i hope by now my posts have helped you discern the two.[/quote]

Oh yes, I'm quite aware of the difference. There are actually ideas of Republicanism that I agree with such as fiscal responsibility/"conservatism", but the "Republicans" that have been in office for the last 8 years have been the exact opposite.

Perhaps I should have said neo-conservatism instead. I hate the fiscal hypocrisy, social bigotry, religious fanaticism and "America against the world" mentality of neo-conservatism that has become synonymous with "conservatism" these days. And because the Republican party is now synonymous with neo-conservatism (which I consider a cancer), I am so forcefully for Obama and so against McCain.

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[QUOTE=k3n3;644328]diddy didn't like it...

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE-gH1RPevQ[/YOUTUBE][/QUOTE]

Fuck Diddy or whatever that losers name is. Do me a favor and please don't post anything by him ever again in this forum. I care nothing for him or his opinion.

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"i'm not a politician, i'm a citizen... having fun on the internet"

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Palin's speech lacked any substance that she understands the fundamentals of anything conservative. All she did was point fingers. But the whole issue here is DOES SHE KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO BE CONSERVATIVE?????

i was left wanting after she concluded her speech. her only argument to vote for McCain was that he was "courageous" and such. A president will never be in a position to be courageous. Reason, however, is too imperative to such a position.

Apparently appealing to emotions has become a greater political force than philosophy and reason. fascinating.

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$75.00 to barack tonite, speech made me want to vomit, i'm going to make sure EVERYONE i know does not vote for that ticket, her speech reminded me just how evil republicans are and they MUST be destroyed.

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she looks good, but my god as soon as she opened her mouth within two minutes I was annoyed.. I'm far from a political person, and to see all those blow hards jumping up and down everytime she dropped a "power statement" made me laugh.. what a bunch of losers

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The fear mongering was definitely in full force last night. Leave it to a lot of dumbass americans to not see through that. Her speech, while delivered nicely, appealed to the same people that stole/won the election for GW the last two times. Middle america, small town, grain belt, bible belt. Do not underestimate the power of those people. "I drive myself to work, and i'ma hockey mom, and pick grain outta my teef, and i'm just like U, fuck those city slickers!!" I grew up with those kind of people, am still pretty much surrounded by them in the midwest, and it's reeeeally annoying.

The thought of 4 more years of these kind of people running the country ....ugh, excuse me while i vomit.

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Delivery aside, it really was the same tired, hackneyed GOP bullshit we've been hearing for a while now. They go to all the trouble to get a completely new face, and then deliver the same dreary message. I don't get it.

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and again, more of that truth bending, some call it lying to get what you want, ya know, something the current government is really good at:

[quote]Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and her Republican supporters held back little Wednesday as they issued dismissive attacks on Barack Obama and flattering praise on her credentials to be vice president. In some cases, the reproach and the praise stretched the truth.

Some examples:

PALIN: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending ... and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."

THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "bridge to nowhere."

PALIN: "There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform — not even in the state senate."

THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. To demean that accomplishment would be to also demean the work of Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, a respected foreign policy voice in the Senate. In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation.

PALIN: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars."

THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama's plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.

Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.

He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.

MCCAIN: "She's been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America's energy supply ... She's responsible for 20 percent of the nation's energy supply. I'm entertained by the comparison and I hope we can keep making that comparison that running a political campaign is somehow comparable to being the executive of the largest state in America," he said in an interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson.

THE FACTS: McCain's phrasing exaggerates both claims. Palin is governor of a state that ranks second nationally in crude oil production, but she's no more "responsible" for that resource than President Bush was when he was governor of Texas, another oil-producing state. In fact, her primary power is the ability to tax oil, which she did in concert with the Alaska Legislature. And where Alaska is the largest state in America, McCain could as easily have called it the 47th largest state — by population.

MCCAIN: "She's the commander of the Alaska National Guard. ... She has been in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities," he said on ABC.

THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service. When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they assume those duties under "federal status," which means they report to the Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska's national guard units have a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard organizations.

FORMER ARKANSAS GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE: Palin "got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States."

THE FACTS: A whopper. Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries.

FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOV. MITT ROMNEY: "We need change, all right — change from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a prescription for every American who wants change in Washington — throw out the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin."

THE FACTS: A Back-to-the-Future moment. George W. Bush, a conservative Republican, has been president for nearly eight years. And until last year, Republicans controlled Congress. Only since January 2007 have Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate.[/quote]

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lol @ you guys tearing up her speech? why cause it was better than you expected? lol

[quote=Jenks;644318]Thought she did a really good job. Really getting tired of the POW/Veteran thing tho, and i come from a family of veterans.[/quote]

[quote=MJDub;644321]Same here. My dad and my brother are both proud of their service but don't like being worshipped and fancied as gods by Republicans.[/quote]

so i take it you took the same position/stand against the kerry veteran thing last election too?

[quote=Steve Graham;644415]she looks good, but my god as soon as she opened her mouth within two minutes I was annoyed.. I'm far from a political person, and to see all those blow hards jumping up and down everytime she dropped a "power statement" made me laugh.. what a bunch of losers[/quote]

right... did you watch obama's speech? lol

[quote=Jenks;644431]The fear mongering was definitely in full force last night. Leave it to a lot of dumbass americans to not see through that. Her speech, while delivered nicely, appealed to the same people that stole/won the election for GW the last two times. Middle america, small town, grain belt, bible belt. Do not underestimate the power of those people. "I drive myself to work, and i'ma hockey mom, and pick grain outta my teef, and i'm just like U, fuck those city slickers!!" I grew up with those kind of people, am still pretty much surrounded by them in the midwest, and it's reeeeally annoying.

The thought of 4 more years of these kind of people running the country ....ugh, excuse me while i vomit.[/quote]

wait, compare that too with obama. who did obama try to appeal to? what was he saying...lol

[quote=Jenks;644512]and again, more of that truth bending, some call it lying to get what you want, ya know, something the current government is really good at:[/quote]

truth is she still has done more than obama... who couldnt account for anything in his speech... who also couldnt say anything more than i will i will i will....

as far as taxes go... either obama is an idiot or he's an idiot? how does he plan on paying for all the shit he's PROMISING? so the braincenter can say whatever but realistically for him to deliver on his shit he's got to tax the hell out of us; so either he was lying or he was lying...

so people are jumping on the reps for tearing into obama? wait what were the dems doing? yes hyprocrisy is strong on both sides

Brilliant: There are some candidates who use change to promote their careers and then there are those who use their careers to promote change.

Giuliani (although I hate the prick): Change is not a destination, and Hope is not a strategy.

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[QUOTE=shosh;644517]lol @ you guys tearing up her speech? why cause it was better than you expected? lol [/QUOTE]

No, as I said in the very first post, it was great fodder for the evolutionary waiting room that comprises the far right.

[QUOTE=shosh;644517] Brilliant: There are some candidates who use change to promote their careers and then there are those who use their careers to promote change.

Giuliani (although I hate the prick): Change is not a destination, and Hope is not a strategy.[/QUOTE]

This kinda makes my point. You love to gnaw on the red meat thrown to you, but ask you to identify something positive John McCain will do for this country, and you fall silent.

Here's the difference between you and most on this board. Look back at the 1st page of this thread, and you'll see objective assessments of the speech from people, including detractors, most of which were along the lines of, "I don't agree, but she did a good job doing what she was supposed to do." You, on the other hand, are incapable of being objective about anything in the political realm, and view everything through the same warped mindset. You know, you can intelligently disagree with someone while acknowledging a job well done.

Instead, every one of your posts is a hate-filled hit job. It just gets old, and at some point (which by the way, was a long, long time ago), you just lose all credibility. That also happens when you continue to regurgitate the same oft-debunked smears.

And BTW, this new talking point you've adopted from the GOP talking heads about how Palin's time overseeing, from a strip mall, a city smaller than many Manhattan condo developments gives her critical "executive experience" is just laughable. Literally laughable.

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What can I say that has not been already well said here.

Palin's delivery was akin to a Beth Grant in 'Donnie Darko' imho.. [IMG]http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/2191/bethgrantpu1.jpg[/IMG]

Her speech sure sent the sheltered sheep of the nation into a frenzy and they ate it right up, while the goats sit back and proclaim it as cheese propaganda etc.

Can you imagine how many younger women voters are going to vote for McCain now? I for one already know of a few of my girl friends who are switching their Obama vote for a McCain vote now, cos of this. WTF.

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i think sosh has lots of credibility on things, just not on palin or mccain. I really wish i could hammer it into him that republicans are simply neo-liberals. on grounds that they prevent congressmens ron paul and chuck hagel from coming to the event is indicative that the GOP does not care about limited government, sound fiscal policies, personal choice, individual responsibility. they but all thier weight into one basket, that is, the pro-war-at-any-time issue. Which is, as you all should know by now, a liberal-based policy also knows as Wilsonian Imperialism.

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[quote=toasty;644534]No, as I said in the very first post, it was great fodder for the evolutionary waiting room that comprises the far right.

This kinda makes my point. You love to gnaw on the red meat thrown to you, but ask you to identify something positive John McCain will do for this country, and you fall silent.

Here's the difference between you and most on this board. Look back at the 1st page of this thread, and you'll see objective assessments of the speech from people, including detractors, most of which were along the lines of, "I don't agree, but she did a good job doing what she was supposed to do." You, on the other hand, are incapable of being objective about anything in the political realm, and view everything through the same warped mindset. You know, you can intelligently disagree with someone while acknowledging a job well done.

Instead, every one of your posts is a hate-filled hit job. It just gets old, and at some point (which by the way, was a long, long time ago), you just lose all credibility. That also happens when you continue to regurgitate the same oft-debunked smears.

And BTW, this new talking point you've adopted from the GOP talking heads about how Palin's time overseeing, from a strip mall, a city smaller than many Manhattan condo developments gives her critical "executive experience" is just laughable. Literally laughable.[/quote]

something positive mccain will do? even if the only thing he does is help keep us safe, thats better than anything obama will do. other positives? he will help the energy solutions, he will promote offshore drilling. more than obama will do. he will make sure the 2nd ammendment is upheld, not half-ass but fully. he will keep supporting the space program, unlike someone who wants to diminish it or scrape it all together. and again he wont promise the world while taxing the shit out of us.

and no im sorry i dont fall for obamas bullshit and cant say a job well done. because it makes me sick. sorry. thats my opinion. do you want me to lie and praise obama? if so, let me know and thats what ill do from now on. am i filled with hate? yes, yes, yes. same bad smears? again, if you open your eyes and try to see whats really going on, it might be more than just "smears."

and BTW, palin is also a governor which is executive experience... what executive experience does obama have? wait, say running a campaign! lol

[quote=88Mariner;644545]i think sosh has lots of credibility on things, just not on palin or mccain. I really wish i could hammer it into him that republicans are simply neo-liberals. on grounds that they prevent congressmens ron paul and chuck hagel from coming to the event is indicative that the GOP does not care about limited government, sound fiscal policies, personal choice, individual responsibility. they but all thier weight into one basket, that is, the pro-war-at-any-time issue. Which is, as you all should know by now, a liberal-based policy also knows as Wilsonian Imperialism.[/quote]

i've stated long ago that i dont think mccain is the man for the job. however obama scares the shit out of me. i can hammer this all i want but you guys just wont get it. the background i come from and where i had lived and what i have lived through has made me see what picking obama will do to the country. yes i do believe he needs to be stopped at all costs. no matter how bad people claim mccain is, he does not pose the danger obama does. until you have lived through communism and socialism, you wont understand it. as far as my credibility goes, yes i am very concerned about my credibility on the internet lulz.

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[quote=88Mariner;644315]just posted this in the Sarah Failin' thread that is apropos your statement above.

[URL]http://www.theagitator.com/[/URL][/quote]

yeah i saw this and im not surprised. obama and biden probably had this as well. but hey, we're all fucked anyway

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^ nah, obama apparently locked himself in his hotel room for a day and wrote it all day.

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fuck barak. guy is full of shit jsut like the next guy. all he has is :"im not from george bush's party"

well... GW might register republican, but he dont act like it. im still curious to see how this putz plans to pay for his "promises of a better life" how? lock rich ppl in internment camps and "spread the wealth to the unfortunate" comon....

god i hope the 4 of them are killed.

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Shosh, There's no need to fear Obama's marxist policies, simply embrace the [I]HOPE [/I]and feel the [I]CHANGE[/I].

The left wouldn't be attacking this Palin woman, if they didn't view her as a threat...

And she's just getting started...

[IMG]http://www.b3tards.com/u/0154b654c2a7a601f461/palin.jpg[/IMG]

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god i want to be her chair......

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[quote=thesightless;644726]god i want to be her chair......[/quote]

sightless you crack me up... dude you want her to be the vp so you can have something to jackoff to everyday ahahaha

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Barack Hussein Obama - Savior of the Universe

[URL]http://radaronline.com/quiz/2008/03/jesus_or_barack_obama_quiz_01.php[/URL]

[IMG]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3128/2629613165_37e46fa911.jpg[/IMG]

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i dont want her to be anywhere near our decision making capabilities. but i would bang her.

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[quote=thesightless;644742]i dont want her to be anywhere near our decision making capabilities. but i would bang her.[/quote]

I am newer to MS however I am pretty sure your standards aren't very high!:DJK

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[QUOTE=Pensacola Emilie;644750]I am newer to MS however I am pretty sure your standards aren't very high!:D[/QUOTE]

truth

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[quote=Pensacola Emilie;644750]I am newer to MS however I am pretty sure your standards aren't very high!:DJK[/quote]

no, not really, but you just put a bullseye on your posts.

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[QUOTE=thesightless;644764]no, not really, but you just put a bullseye on your ass.[/QUOTE]

fixed.

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lower back is my prefered target.

and be damn glad i deleted by beanz inspired reply there

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[quote=Jenks;644774]fixed.[/quote]

You should never dish it out if you can't take it. And darlin I can take it! I am not scared.:shock:

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nah i only like good looking women.

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[QUOTE=Pensacola Emilie;644780]And darlin I can take it! [/QUOTE]

that's what i'm sayin :Anal: