seriuosly, after trying to spend a few huors actually looking into what the three candidates actually have to offer, not just pitch lines, but at least an intro of a plan on how to execute their ideas, i literally find that the only plans for teh two gyus are

1. obama will send troops to agfghan
2. mccain will send troops to iraq.

other than that, i cannot find anything in terms of what actions they will take.

just pitch lines here and there with zero in the recipe dept.

somone help me here if they know.

still have no clue who is getting my vote, as none of them are enthralling me. mccain wants more neo con nonsense while taking a more socially ilberal stance than the current, and barak seems to be a neophyte dreamer who lost his grip on the reality of what it takes to get anything done(i.e. much like john kerry, he thinks the middle east will be cured when he wins), also i get fearful of some of his more clinton-esque ideas. tax increases, etc.

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why did obama cross the road? so he can tax the other side.

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comon, just facts. no jokes, no pitches, i just want some releveant information on what these idiots plan to do. how they plan to do it.

i.e. even GW gave us an attempt with his views on SS privatization. he gave us the plan of action. i want BB,BO & JMC's plans of action

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um. Bob Barr? don't forget him.

[URL]http://www.bobbarr2008.com/issues[/URL]

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[QUOTE=thesightless;629578]seriuosly, after trying to spend a few huors actually looking into what the three candidates actually have to offer, not just pitch lines, but at least an intro of a plan on how to execute their ideas, i literally find that the only plans for teh two gyus are

1. obama will send troops to agfghan
2. mccain will send troops to iraq.

other than that, i cannot find anything in terms of what actions they will take.

just pitch lines here and there with zero in the recipe dept.

somone help me here if they know. [/QUOTE]

Not real sure what it is that you're looking for in terms of detail. If you're expecting either candidate to give you a detailed, "we'll move this brigade to this region, and we'll outfit that brigade with X, Y & Z weapons," I don't think you're going to find that anywhere, at any time. Then again, it isn't the president's responsibility to provide that sort of detail, it is more the president's responsibility to make decisions regarding overall strategy.

Apart from the (shrinking) difference between the two of them on Iraq and Afghanistan, I think the most significant difference between them from a foreign policy perspective has to do with the desire [B]and ability[/B] to bring other nations into the fold. I know you tend to have a fairly isolationist mindset when it comes for foreign policy, so this might not even appeal to you, but I think that trip to Europe highlighted the extent to which Obama has the ability to help restore good relations with our allies, which I personally view as critical in keeping us safe. I'm sure McCain has a similar [I]desire [/I]to help get back into the good graces of the rest of the world, but his desire to maintain our presence in Iraq isn't going to help facilitate that.

I don't think that everything will change the day Obama gets elected, but I do think that the way the rest of the world views us will get an enormous and immediate shot in the arm. Don't see that happening with McCain.

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toasty, obama fans -- what is his idea for gay rights? abortion? market regulation? i.e. will he vote for /against/ or put it to popular vote? what controls will he attempt to either enforce or remove in regards to SEC regulation and trade? does he even have a plan for dealing with al queada? asian trade >? alliance with EU(what areas, when, how)

dealing with preventing the next war (IMO, latin america)

same questions in reagrds to mccain and barr.

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[QUOTE=thesightless;629650]toasty, obama fans -- what is his idea for gay rights? abortion? market regulation? i.e. will he vote for /against/ or put it to popular vote? what controls will he attempt to either enforce or remove in regards to SEC regulation and trade? does he even have a plan for dealing with al queada? asian trade >? alliance with EU(what areas, when, how)

dealing with preventing the next war (IMO, latin america) [/QUOTE]

This sorta has a boondoggle feel to it, because if you don't know his position on gay rights or abortion for example, you probably haven't looked very hard. Off the top of my head, I can tell you that although he is personally against gay marriage, he is against a constitutional amendment prohibiting it, is in favor of civil unions, is in favor of gay adoption, and is in favor of ensuring that gay people are given the very same rights as straight people. Re abortion, his position essentially exactly mirrors the holding of Roe v Wade and Casey that followed it -- some on the far left were a little irritated that his position does not go further than Roe/Casey (which gives the states the right to restrict abortions after a certain point). He's against any time restrictions that do not have clear provisions for accounting for instances of rape, incest, or to protect the health of the mother.

Don't really have time to address some of those others right now, will give it a go later in the afternoon if I wrap up what I'm doing in time, but in closing, you think we're going to go to war with latin america?

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i know his position. im asking for execution of plans.

mccain also says he personally against it, but wouldnt stop them.

im asking will obama immedietly push to have it legalized via a bill, will he push for a popular vote?

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yeah, sadly i see conflict coming with latin america. they are polarizing themselves internally in brazil, venzuela, bolivia, and even argentina has some political unrest due to left wing militant groups.

allow me to stress it may not be a war in the sense of troop deployment and action, but a serious diplomatic war is showing its face more and more.

they have major trade issues arising, and if america pushes domestic oil for the immediate future, latin america loses out. add in the other factors that US puts its nose in there (militants, drugs, trade, etc) and i see a disruption building there, and for the first time in awhile, concern.

again, not saying a war in the sense of blood and guts, but in one way or another the continent is dividing. and of all the places, south america is the one america should be most concerned about.

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[quote=thesightless;629578]seriuosly, after trying to spend a few huors actually looking into what the three candidates actually have to offer, [/quote]

Three candidates? Who is the third? :what

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.bob barr.

while the media ignores libertarian parties, they are making seriosu gains at the state levels. i will include him as he we ill get votes to dilute the election and honestly, might be the best candidate in dealing with the reality of the world's current situation. he articulates the msot realistic answers and goals out of the three.

its a damn shame people ignore him, he cuold be a great leader.

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Only time I've ever even heard his name before is in here. Good luck to him. :roll:

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the real question is, why these questions are not asked of senators and congressmen? Because you know, they're like, the ones that make the laws and such.

Sure, the prez can veto. But beyond that, the executive powers are ultimately pardons, foreign affairs, limited* military engagements, and nominating justices.

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which is why the last main party congress i voted for was my republican state assembly man. (i live in wealthy area, dem's are non existent here, the place has no need for them) other thn that, i have voted independent every time since im 18.