years ago the question of whether there would be another draft was one that was laughable. today, however, with an ever expanding theater in the middle east and a full scale war against iran, there is always the possibility that with diminished manpower of the armed forces that our legislators could reinstate the draft. Even Obama, who would seemably believe that we individuals exist for the sake of the government, could very well support the draft. And, in light of the growing talks of a potential pre-emptive strike against Iran either in july or between the election and the inauguration... a Draft seems ever more possible.

That said, I was hoping to see how some of you have thought out what you would do if there was a Draft and/or if you were drafted subsequent to it.

Me? I imagine I would duck out of the county, to australia or canada, perhaps sweeden or finland or norway. A good friend of mine suggest that I do as he did: create the file work to show a supporting case for a conscious objector so that you don't have to leave the country but also don't have to serve.

What's your position?

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I'm from Canada and would advise any Americans who don't want to be drafted for the Iran war come on up now... If you come later you are a draft dodger if you do it now it looks better..

[URL]http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/06/29/us.iran/index.html[/URL]

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Depending on the rules & regulations, personally I may be able to be medically exempt.

But of course we've seen felons and others get accepted into the Forces because of constantly dwindling recruitment #'s so who really knows?

The latest bill sitting is [url=http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:H.R.393:]HR 393[/url]...no calls, considerations or anything of the caliber for it right now. But, the title makes sense:

"To require all persons in the United States between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform national service, either as a member of the uniformed services or in civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, to authorize the induction of persons in the uniformed services during wartime to meet end-strength requirements of the uniformed services, to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to make permanent the favorable treatment afforded combat pay under the earned income tax credit, and for other purposes."

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quickly marry a french girl and give up my US citizenship, get drafted by the french army and raise the white flag with all my might

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^interesting thought. i'm wondering what would happen if one had dual citizenship: still forced to fight?

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You can move back to the country where you have dual citizenship. OR you have to do something to get your US citizenship revoked - (like take a government job in your other country) but that is not necessarily a wise move.

I have absoutely no problem - and in fact I would be delighted - if my kids decided to choose a military career in which ever country they end up in. But there is a HUGE difference in choosing and being forced to fight.

My views would clearly also depend on the cause that was being fought for - another without basis pre-emptive strike - GTFO

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it would depend on what the war was being fought for.

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I can't be drafted. I already served 8 years. :D

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[quote=88Mariner;619436]^interesting thought. i'm wondering what would happen if one had dual citizenship: still forced to fight?[/quote]

I have a dual citizenship. assuming your other country of citizenship is not in a war, then yes, I believe you're still forced to fight. The US oftentimes doesn't preclude you from having other citizenships, but it also doesn't necessarily recognize any of them when it comes to US legal matters related to US citizens. They'll get you even if you're just a permanent resident with a citizenship somewhere else.

Me, I'm old. I'm about to turn 30, which is well past the current draft age around here. By the time they'd get around to extending the draft to 30-some year olds, I figure we'd probably be in a dire world war situation where running isn't an option anyways.

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I really hate the thought of a draft. It'shard enough to do your job with some of the quality of people certain branches decide to let join, the last thing you need is a bunch of people who were forced to be in. i really don't see a problem with peopl leaving, especially if the cause was a grey area. On the other hand those who would leave should expect a little shunning if and when they come back, but it will eventually wear off. As everyone knows some countries require military service from their population, just be lucky you're not there.

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[QUOTE=Miroslav;619467]I have a dual citizenship. assuming your other country of citizenship is not in a war, then yes, I believe you're still forced to fight. The US oftentimes doesn't preclude you from having other citizenships, but it also doesn't necessarily recognize any of them when it comes to US legal matters related to US citizens. They'll get you even if you're just a permanent resident with a citizenship somewhere else. [/QUOTE]

My understanding is that if you're already a US Citizen, you can take on other countries' citizenship as well, but if you're a citizen of another country and want to be a US citizen, you have to give up your citizenship of the other country. It would surprise me to find out that there was any sort of difference between being a US Citizen and having dual citizenship in terms of what rights/responsibilities you have in the US -- I think either you're a citizen or you're not.

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^^ Not necessarily. I have US and Slovak passports. picked up US citizenship in 2001 and kept my Slovak citizenship. US didn't care.

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[QUOTE=toasty;619491]My understanding is that if you're already a US Citizen, you can take on other countries' citizenship as well, but if you're a citizen of another country and want to be a US citizen, you have to give up your citizenship of the other country.[/QUOTE]

not true. an old girlfriend of mine we both know was a czech citizen, then became an american citizen, and she has dual citizenship.

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Really? Well, I stand corrected. :oops:

Wonder if that's new. I'm going off of what some travelers told me while backpacking across Europe way back when. Then again, perhaps that's what I get for trusting the word of strangers on a train... :D

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^^ I think it varies by nation. The US does not encourage or necessarily recognize dual citizenship, but they will oftentimes accept it as long as it does not pose any sort of a legal conflict for either side. Such legal conflicts may result in ongoing agreements with certain nations to disallow dual citizenships.

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I am too old for a draft..Besides, they wouldn't accept me, as I have a fucked up foot....

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[QUOTE=lilsensa;619605]I am too old for a draft..[/QUOTE]

I thought I was until I read that bill. [B]42[/B]? Fuck me... :roll:

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problem is when you're drafted, more often than not you'd be infantry if they keep the same logistics they did when they used to have the draft back in the day. which means you'd be thrown into the shitter pretty quickly. i would not like getting drafted unless i got placed where i best fit. not just thrown into infantry.

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[QUOTE=Garrick;619819]problem is when you're drafted, more often than not you'd be infantry if they keep the same logistics they did when they used to have the draft back in the day. which means you'd be thrown into the shitter pretty quickly. i would not like getting drafted unless i got placed where i best fit. not just thrown into infantry.[/QUOTE]

Back in Vietnam, my Dad's number was called early such that it was evident that he was going to be called up very quickly, so he enlisted in Officer's School so he'd at least have a modicum of control over his situation and would come out of the gates with a higher rank. Ended up flying reconnaissance off the Kittyhawk, which I suspect is preferable to a lot of other things he could have been doing if he'd just been drafted. If, God forbid, we were in a spot that the US Government decided that having a 35 year old out of shape attorney waging war was a good idea, I'd probably do something similar if it was clear I'd be drafted regardless.

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My dad was drafted into the Army for Vietnam. My family having a history with the Marines, instead of reporting to the Army for 2 years, he joined the Marine Corp for 4 years. Everyone in my dad's platoon except 2 people, went to Vietnam. The two that didn't go? My dad, and one other guy. The reason? They enlisted for 4 years, so the Marines put them to good use, school, then Spain. Lucky.

If i were drafted for the war in Iraq, i'd move to Canada. If i were drafted for a war worth fighting, i'd enlist as Toasty said and go to officers school.

I think i'd probably be medically exempt too tho.

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i think before the draft we should collect all the child abusers, sex offenders, pedophiles, and murderers and air drop them into whatever country we choose to fight.

nothing says defeat like your own child getting pooned in the mouth while some deranged lunatic slams an icepick into the back of your wife's skull.

it sure beats stamping license plates....

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i am sure you'd see lawsuits flying left and right if the draft were brought back and someone was drafted that didn't want to go.

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[quote=toasty;619892]Back in Vietnam, my Dad's number was called early such that it was evident that he was going to be called up very quickly, so he enlisted in Officer's School so he'd at least have a modicum of control over his situation and would come out of the gates with a higher rank. Ended up flying reconnaissance off the Kittyhawk, which I suspect is preferable to a lot of other things he could have been doing if he'd just been drafted. If, God forbid, we were in a spot that the US Government decided that having a 35 year old out of shape attorney waging war was a good idea, I'd probably do something similar if it was clear I'd be drafted regardless.[/quote]

When was your Dad on the Kittyhawk? My Dad was on it from 67-69 in the engine room.

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[QUOTE=jeffrey collins;620812]When was your Dad on the Kittyhawk? My Dad was on it from 67-69 in the engine room.[/QUOTE]

I'm honestly not 100% sure what the dates of his service were, but I was born in August 1972 and he was on the Kittyhawk at the time, so I suspect 67-69 might have been a little before his time. He could have been there that early, though.

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I'd say fuck it and enlist right away. But i agree with u Jenks... if the next war where anything like the Iraq War id flee to Canada as well. no roadside bomb kia for me.

Perhaps its cuz ive been conditioned by my fams military tradition as well. My pops volunteered for armored cavalry in NAM and got awarded a bronze star and purple heart(rpg hit his tank and he still sprayed em with the 50 cal. after the shrapnel wounds wasted his legs). So i would not wanna be a letdown to him. I'm only in my early 20s so what the hey. *wonders if wwiii is on its way..