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Obama's New Strategy

16 durable postsStarted 2008-06-25Latest 2008-06-26
#56108Post 1 of 16

By DICK MORRIS

Published on TheHill.com on June 24, 2008.

[quote]Have you noticed a change in Barack Obama’s campaign? Instead of avoiding controversies over values, religion and race, he seems to welcome them and wade into the debates with an increasing enthusiasm.

Characterizing how the Republicans will attack him, he predicted that they would criticize his “funny name” and add “and by the way, did you notice that he’s black?”

Obama used to go out of his way to avoid this kind of reference, but now he brings it on. Deliberately.

Why?

Obama and the conservative right are mutually trying to keep the debate about his candidacy on the existential level — is he the hope for America’s future or a Manchurian Candidate, a kind of sleeper agent sent to destroy our democracy? That debate, which pits Obama’s rhetoric against the Rev. Wright’s rantings, is a contest that could go on all day, and Obama would win it. It is simply a bridge too far to believe that Obama is that evil and that invidious.

But the more the debate covers such fundamental questions, the more it ignores the details — details which could bring Obama down.

Quite simply, Obama would rather address his religious views and his optimism about America and his embrace of diversity than talk about his plans to raise taxes, let gasoline prices soar and socialize healthcare.

In our new book, Fleeced, we try to bring the debate back down to earth, focusing on the specific plans that Obama has announced during his presidential primary campaign and discussing the consequences. This is the debate Barack Obama hopes he can avoid.

Consider his proposals:

• In effect, he would legislate a 60 percent tax bracket for upper-income Americans, killing all initiative and innovation. He’d raise the top bracket to 40 percent. He’d apply FICA taxes to all income, not just that under $100,000 as at present. So add 40 percent plus FICA’s 12.5 percent plus Medicare’s 2 percent plus state and local taxes averaging, after deduction, at 5-6 percent, and you have a 60 percent bracket.

• He would double the capital gains tax, saddling the 50 percent of Americans who own stock with dramatically higher taxes.

• He’d double the dividend tax, hitting elderly coupon-clippers now retired and depending on fixed incomes.

• He wants to cover 12 million illegal immigrants with federally subsidized health insurance, dramatically driving up costs and forcing federal rationing of healthcare. As in the U.K. and Canada, you will not be permitted certain medical procedures if the bureaucrats decide you are not worth it.

• He proposes requiring Homeland Security operatives to notify terror suspects that they are under investigation within seven days of starting the investigation

• He says that unless they can establish that there is “probable cause to believe that a certain individual is linked to a specific terrorist group,” Homeland Security cannot seize his documents and search his business. The current standard is only that the search be “relevant” to a terror investigation.

He does not oppose $5-per-gallon gasoline but only says that he wishes there had been a more “gradual adjustment” to the higher prices.

Obama can talk about the Rev. Wright and flag lapel pins and his wife’s love of America all day long. But what he resists is a specific discussion of his own plans for our country. That’s the discussion he fears and he avoids. And it’s the discussion John McCain must force upon him if he is to have any realistic chance of winning the election.[/quote]

#1037872Post 2 of 16

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Isn't this just a different sort of fear mongering?

He'll tax you into oblivion!!! He'll coddle illegal immigrants!!! He'll let the terrorists win!!!

BOOGA BOOGA BOOGA!!!

#1037877Post 3 of 16

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And did we mention he's black?

#1037878Post 4 of 16

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[quote=toasty;617843]Isn't this just a different sort of fear mongering?

He'll tax you into oblivion!!! He'll coddle illegal immigrants!!! He'll let the terrorists win!!!

BOOGA BOOGA BOOGA!!![/quote]

for a change, you're wrong. never trust a progressive, far-left liberal on taxes.

this isn't fear mongering, it's actually pretty damn close to what one should expect.

Oh wait, toasty...do you think he'll lower taxes??

#1037880Post 5 of 16

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[QUOTE=88Mariner;617850] Oh wait, toasty...do you think he'll lower taxes??[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying that, I'm more saying that this tactic -- charging "he'll raise your taxes, he'll raise your taxes" -- is something we've seen out of the republicans for eons now. That is the number one, tried-and-true battle cry out of the right. It's worked in the past, but I'm not sure it's going to matter this cycle even if it is accurate, because the environment is so ripe for something different from what the current administration is doing.

I don't like high taxes any more than you do -- but with the current lay of the land, I think it will take more than "he's a tax and spend liberal" for the GOP to win. My opinion.

#1037885Post 6 of 16

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so you're going back on saying this is 'scare-mongering', but the truth that which will have little effect.

ok.

how about we quit voting for anyone who wants to raise taxes?

#1037889Post 7 of 16

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[QUOTE=88Mariner;617857]so you're going back on saying this is 'scare-mongering', but the truth that which will have little effect.

ok.

how about we quit voting for anyone who wants to raise taxes?[/QUOTE]

Well, I think the amount of any tax increase is overstated, especially as it pertains to your average, non-fabulously-wealthy voter, and I think the claims on Iraq, illegal immigration, etc. are simply wrong, so I'm going to stick with my fear-mongering label. For example, isn't it funny how John Kerry, 2004 nominee, was labeled the Most Liberal Senator that cycle only to cede that title to the 2008 nominee? Seems fishy to me. You are correct, though, that my overarching point is that the usual bag of tricks aren't going to carry the day this time. I think the US would vote Che Guevara into office to avoid 4 more years of Bush-type policies. ;)

On the tax thing, I view it as sometimes you have to take the good with the bad. While I'm not convinced that my taxes [B]will [/B]go up, I'm begrudgingly prepared for that possibility but don't think it will have an appreciable impact on my bottom line. I tried voting for people that pledged to lower my taxes, and watched the nation go to hell in a handbasket. Perhaps some day the libertarian party will start to offer some viable options and maybe the GOP will pull its collective head out of its ass, but for the time being, voting for Barr or McCain is not an option. Not a one-issue voter anymore, and I view other issues as more important at this point.

#1037891Post 8 of 16

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Obama isn't going to get us out of Iraq.

That said, he and McCain are one and the same: an extension of the last 8 years of neoconservatism.

WHich is why I think Barr is becoming my candidate of choice, and not simply because the the alternative is a fascade of choice.

#1037902Post 9 of 16

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[quote=88Mariner;617864]he and McCain are one and the same: an extension of the last 8 years of neoconservatism.[/quote]

:?:

#1040976Post 10 of 16

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uh yeah. neoconservatism is essentially a larger, more intrusive government, wilsonian foreign policy (that's left-wing foreign policy to the uninitiated), higher taxes to fund said expanding government.

let me break it down this way: they're the same thing, except for women's rights to choose. Neoconservatism is not conservatism at all. It's liberal policy conducted by ex-conservatives under the guise that it is somehow superior to liberalism (which most things are, but not when it's called by another name).

Take bush for example. Probably one of the most liberal statesmen this past century. Sure he called himself conservative, but what was his overall effect?

This reminds me of a quote by Reagan (a moderate conservative at best).

" [B][QUOTE] [B]You and I are told increasingly that we have to choose between a left or right, but I would like to suggest that there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down [/B]— up to a man's age-old dream; the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order — or down to the ant heap totalitarianism, and regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would trade our freedom for security have embarked on this downward course." [/QUOTE][/B]

#1041002Post 11 of 16

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"In effect" wow another editorial article to stir up debate.

#1041030Post 12 of 16

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[QUOTE=88Mariner;618019]uh yeah. neoconservatism is essentially a larger, more intrusive government, wilsonian foreign policy (that's left-wing foreign policy to the uninitiated), higher taxes to fund said expanding government.

let me break it down this way: they're the same thing, except for women's rights to choose. Neoconservatism is not conservatism at all. It's liberal policy conducted by ex-conservatives under the guise that it is somehow superior to liberalism (which most things are, but not when it's called by another name). [/QUOTE]

I don't know about this, dude. Neocons and left-wingers might both be in favor of increasing the influence of government, but not really in the same way. Left wingers traditionally believe in increasing the number of government programs and services, and make the government larger in that way. Neocons' do not favor government social programs, but do increase the size of government through exercising more control over what we do. Neocons are also far more hawkish than libs and, per the PNAC, favor expanding US influence by establishing democracies across the globe.

Left-wingers favor paying for their services through higher taxes, and as far as I can tell, neocons haven't figured out yet how to pay for their priorities. I'm honestly trying to be objective here and don't mean this as a dig on the neocon philosophy, but the deficit has skyrocketed and neither the Iraqi oil nor the tax cuts seem to have had much impact in that regard, so I am really at a loss.

I don't even think it's a close call. They are both about "big government," but in totally different ways and with totally different goals.

And I do think there are stark differences between Obama and McCain. Don't have time to go into it all right now, but as far as I'm concerned, their approach to health care, energy, the economy, etc are totally different, even if you don't believe that Obama will actually be any different on Iraq.

#1041067Post 13 of 16

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[QUOTE=srbbnd;618048]"In effect" wow another editorial article to stir up debate.[/QUOTE]

this. stopped reading Dick awhile ago.

#1041099Post 14 of 16

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I like to think of the Republicans and Democrats as Mafia families. Republicans being the Corleon's and the Democrats the Gambini's. All in the same business.

#1041101Post 15 of 16

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[quote=toasty;618077]

They are both about "big government," but in totally different ways and with totally different goals.

[/quote]

I think that is Mariner's main point and I agree with him.

#1041135Post 16 of 16

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[quote=Lorn;618153]I think that is Mariner's main point and I agree with him.[/quote]

it was my main point, and it was further illustrated by Reagan's quote. I meant it to portray that it's not about republican or democrat ideals, its' either about giving individuals more freedom, or taking them away and consequently giving more power to the government, federal, state, or otherwise.

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