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Kerry creams Bush in the 2nd debate

20 durable postsStarted 2004-10-09Latest 2004-10-14
#5295Post 1 of 20

[size=6]After the Debates - Bush Appears Naive and Dangerous[/size]

If the second debate reinforced any lessons of the past for years, it is that [b]George W. Bush has poor impulse control and difficulty controlling his anger.[/b] In contrast, John Kerry appeared to be calm and authoritative.

For proof, check out [url=http://www.oliverwillis.com/stuff/bushflipsout.wmv]the replay[/url] from last night's debate.

[b]Here's what the pundits had to say:[/b]

[b]Andrew Sullivan:[/b] "There were moments early on... when he seemed to me to be close to shouting; and his hyper-aggressiveness, having to respond to everything, went at times over the line of persuasiveness."

[b]Ron Forunier, AP:[/b] "As he fought to keep his emotions in check in a testy, personal debate with Sen. John Kerry, the president asserted 'That answer almost made me scowl.'... Several answers brought Bush's emotions to the surface, for better or worse, as he sought to curb Kerry's momentum.... Bush was the most aggressive, at one point overrunning moderator Charles Gibson's attempt to pose a question.."

[b]David Niven, political science professor at Florida Atlantic University in Boca Raton:[/b]"Bush seemed wound a bit too tight. He was a little like Nixon sort of jumping out of his suit... He looked bad on the TV close-ups.""

[b]Jonah Goldberg, National Review:[/b] "WHY DOES BUSH... Sound like he's angry at the guy asking about making drugs cheaper?

[b]Paul Begala, CNN:[/b] "Good debate. The press will say it's a draw, but I think Kerry bested Bush -- or rather Bush made a few errors. Two words for President Bush: anger management. He spent much of the debate nearly yelling at the audience."

[b]John Whitesides, Reuters:[/b] "An angry Bush at one point cut off moderator Charles Gibson to upbraid Kerry for criticising the size of the coalition backing the United States in Iraq, saying it denigrated allies like Britain and Poland."

[b]Beth Gorham, CBC News:[/b] "It all added up to a major challenge for the president, who appeared angry and defensive during attacks from Kerry in a tense sparring match on Sept. 30 that was watched by some 62 million Americans."

[b]Billmon:[/b] "If Kerry and the Dems can't make an issue out of the fact that the president of the United States is utterly incapable of controlling his hairtrigger temper, they don't deserve to win this election... I mean, the man is a walking time bomb."

[b]David Paul Kuhn, CBSNews.com:[/b] "BUSH MAD, KERRY COMPOSED... Though Mr. Bush was more composed than in last week's first presidential debate, all agreed his tone was sometimes antagonistic and he again appeared uncomfortable being challenged. Kerry, on the other hand, was viewed as measured and articulate. "

[size=6]The Town Hall Debate[/size] [b]The New York Times[/b]

Town hall meetings are one vestige of early American democracy that modern presidential candidates know very well. No one who has survived a New Hampshire primary season needs to be told what it's like to answer questions tossed out by a group of average citizens. It's the democratic process in its most amiable state: earnest Americans asking serious questions about the issues. Last night's format was much more suited to George Bush's talents than the hard-edged debate last week, but John Kerry still managed to goad him to irritable near-shouting at some points.

One of the uncommitted voters in the audience sensibly asked President Bush to name three mistakes he'd made in office, and what he had done to remedy the damage. Mr. Bush declined to list even one, and instead launched into an impassioned defense of the invasion of Iraq as a good idea. The president's insistence on defending his decision to go into Iraq seemed increasingly bizarre in a week when his own investigators reported that there were no weapons of mass destruction there, and when his own secretary of defense acknowledged that there was no serious evidence of a connection between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda.

Even worse, the president's refusal to come up with even a minor error - apart from saying that he might have made some unspecified appointments that he now regretted - underscores his inability to respond to failure in any way except by insisting over and over again that his original decision was right.

Unfortunately, for long stretches of the evening, the format did not lead to such telling responses. On occasion, the arguments were impossible to follow. Heaven help any citizen who relied on last night's debate to understand what is going on with North Korea or who tried to understand the fight about tax cuts on Subchapter S corporations.

Mr. Bush was deeply unpersuasive when asked why he had not permitted the importation of cheaper prescription drugs from Canada. He claimed that the reason was "I want to make sure it cures you and doesn't kill you." Mr. Kerry cleanly retorted that four years ago in a campaign debate, Mr. Bush had said importing medicine from Canada sounded sensible.

And the president was utterly incoherent when asked about whom he might name to the Supreme Court in a second term. His comment about how he didn't want to offend any judges because he wanted "them all voting for me" was a joke - but an unfortunate one, given the fact that the president owes his job to a Supreme Court vote.

Mr. Kerry was weaker when he had to respond to a woman who wanted to know about spending federal money on abortions. Social issues seem to bring out the senator's worst tendencies to paint a word picture in shades of gray and equivocation.

Both men seemed overly defensive at times, as if they were fighting shadow opponents that were not even in the hall. Mr. Kerry seemed intent, without much prompting by Mr. Bush, on countering the attack ads run by the president's campaign and by other Republican organizations. Mr. Bush sometimes seemed as if he was trying to make up for his weak performance in Debate No. 1.

Mr. Kerry demonstrated, at the very minimum, a stature that was equal to the president's. If Mr. Bush was hoping to recover all the ground he lost last week, he failed in his mission.

The president seemed to fall back frequently on name-calling, denouncing his opponent as a liberal and a tool of the trial lawyers. "The president's just trying to scare," Mr. Kerry said. It will be another few weeks before we see how well that works.

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/09/opinion/9sat1.html?hp[/url]

#275487Post 2 of 20

there were a few times when it was just back and forth bickering..at that point it's like "who the hell do you decide for?" :NotMe:

I'd like to see the results of who those 140 undecided voters will vote for...

#275506Post 3 of 20

Re: Kerry creams Bush in the 2nd debate

I wouldn't say Kerry "creamed" Bush, but I could understand your argument for him winning. I thought Bush did a better job in the 2nd debate than the first debate. Even a big time Kerry supporter agreed with me last night Bush did much better. Imo, Kerry and many people on both sides of the battlefield agree Kerry won that first debate.

#275749Post 4 of 20

Look we ALL saw the same debate. NOBODY 'creamed' ANYBODY. All Kerry does is memorize scripts, and as the true thesbian that he is reenacts his statements. Bush spits it from the gut and that comes accross as completely evident. In my opinion though, BUSH clearly won! The reason is because in this debate, Bush was asking leading questions, being on the offense while supporting his policies over the past 4 years. If Kerry wants a chance at winning, he NEEDS to be on OFFENSE the WHOLE TIME. It has been very clear that BUSH is stronger on National defense, and also ECONOMIC STIMULUS and BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT. The reason why Bush WON THE SECOND DEBATE is because he forced KERRY into revealing his true position on the economy. Kerry is trying his hardest to appeal to the 'middle class' while he himself is the RICHEST CANDIDATE IN US HISTORY, and has NEVER EVER EVER HELD A SINGLE JOB FOR HIMSELF outside of making a vote one way or the other in SENATE!!! The guy has never held a job people. And this is the guy portraying himself as ROBIN HOOD, who wants to take from the rich to give to the poor! Im sorry but this is AMERICA. It was founded on capitalism, economic ambition and creativity. Kerry put the nail in his own coffin by isolating himself from WALL STREET. How can you want to PUNISH the upper tax bracket for being rich. Number one anybody in that 200k + tax bracket worked very hard to get there (except for JOHN KERRY WHO HAS BEEN SPOON FED HIS ENTIRE LIFE AND HAS NEVER HELD A JOB) so why should HARD WORK and PERSONAL SUCCESS be PENALIZED? These are the guys creating the JOBS JOBS JOBS, STIMULATING THE ECONOMY ECONOMY ECONOMY!!! BUSH has created tax breaks for everybody, KERRY WILL RAISE TAXES!!!!! PERIOD! If you were a big company or organization, would you want to expand and grow if you knew that more of what you made was going to be taken from you?? FUCK NO. Kerry=NO SENSE The reason why America is the most volitile economy in the world is because of work ethic, and the opportunity for personal wealth. The land of opportunity will quickly dissolve under Kerry's socialist type BIG GOVERNMENT. With Kerry WEALTH will be REDISTRIBUTED to fund MORE BIG GOVERNMENT programs. A government funded HEALTH CARE PROGRAM, HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH you guys think you pay taxes now?? Ooohhh myyyyyy? Just wait to see how much you brought home with that system. Kerry is out of touch with reality on everything, but his economic policies are truly mind boggling. I believe this issue, on top of foreign policy, will certainly be his demise.

#275763Post 5 of 20

Re: Kerry creams Bush in the 2nd debate

^^^^^

:lol: You're absolutely hysterical. A real riot.

#276203Post 6 of 20

[quote=PhAntoM MeNaCe";p="63594]Look we ALL saw the same debate. NOBODY 'creamed' ANYBODY. All Kerry does is memorize scripts, and as the true thesbian that he is reenacts his statements. Bush spits it from the gut and that comes accross as completely evident. In my opinion though, BUSH clearly won! The reason is because in this debate, Bush was asking leading questions, being on the offense while supporting his policies over the past 4 years. If Kerry wants a chance at winning, he NEEDS to be on OFFENSE the WHOLE TIME. It has been very clear that BUSH is stronger on National defense, and also ECONOMIC STIMULUS and BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT. The reason why Bush WON THE SECOND DEBATE is because he forced KERRY into revealing his true position on the economy. Kerry is trying his hardest to appeal to the 'middle class' while he himself is the RICHEST CANDIDATE IN US HISTORY, and has NEVER EVER EVER HELD A SINGLE JOB FOR HIMSELF outside of making a vote one way or the other in SENATE!!! The guy has never held a job people. And this is the guy portraying himself as ROBIN HOOD, who wants to take from the rich to give to the poor! Im sorry but this is AMERICA. It was founded on capitalism, economic ambition and creativity. Kerry put the nail in his own coffin by isolating himself from WALL STREET. How can you want to PUNISH the upper tax bracket for being rich. Number one anybody in that 200k + tax bracket worked very hard to get there (except for JOHN KERRY WHO HAS BEEN SPOON FED HIS ENTIRE LIFE AND HAS NEVER HELD A JOB) so why should HARD WORK and PERSONAL SUCCESS be PENALIZED? These are the guys creating the JOBS JOBS JOBS, STIMULATING THE ECONOMY ECONOMY ECONOMY!!! BUSH has created tax breaks for everybody, KERRY WILL RAISE TAXES!!!!! PERIOD! If you were a big company or organization, would you want to expand and grow if you knew that more of what you made was going to be taken from you?? FUCK NO. Kerry=NO SENSE The reason why America is the most volitile economy in the world is because of work ethic, and the opportunity for personal wealth. The land of opportunity will quickly dissolve under Kerry's socialist type BIG GOVERNMENT. With Kerry WEALTH will be REDISTRIBUTED to fund MORE BIG GOVERNMENT programs. A government funded HEALTH CARE PROGRAM, HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH you guys think you pay taxes now?? Ooohhh myyyyyy? Just wait to see how much you brought home with that system. Kerry is out of touch with reality on everything, but his economic policies are truly mind boggling. I believe this issue, on top of foreign policy, will certainly be his demise.[/quote]

Wow.

After reading that amazingly concise and coherent post, I think we've uncovered a great mystery here - ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the mystery voice in Bush's earpiece in the debates. No, it's neither Karl Rove nor Dick Cheney. It's our very own PhAntoM MeNaCe!!

(who else, speaking into Bush's hear, could make him sound even [b]more[/b] rambling than he normally does ;) )

PhAntoM - where were you on the nights of Sept. 30 and Oct. 8?? Can you prove you [b]weren't[/b] in Miami or St. Louis?? :P

#276252Post 7 of 20

[quote=PhAntoM MeNaCe";p="63594]Look we ALL saw the same debate. NOBODY 'creamed' ANYBODY. All Kerry does is memorize scripts, and as the true thesbian that he is reenacts his statements. Bush spits it from the gut and that comes accross as completely evident. In my opinion though, BUSH clearly won! The reason is because in this debate, Bush was asking leading questions, being on the offense while supporting his policies over the past 4 years. If Kerry wants a chance at winning, he NEEDS to be on OFFENSE the WHOLE TIME. It has been very clear that BUSH is stronger on National defense, and also ECONOMIC STIMULUS and BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT. The reason why Bush WON THE SECOND DEBATE is because he forced KERRY into revealing his true position on the economy. Kerry is trying his hardest to appeal to the 'middle class' while he himself is the RICHEST CANDIDATE IN US HISTORY, and has NEVER EVER EVER HELD A SINGLE JOB FOR HIMSELF outside of making a vote one way or the other in SENATE!!! The guy has never held a job people. And this is the guy portraying himself as ROBIN HOOD, who wants to take from the rich to give to the poor! Im sorry but this is AMERICA. It was founded on capitalism, economic ambition and creativity. Kerry put the nail in his own coffin by isolating himself from WALL STREET. How can you want to PUNISH the upper tax bracket for being rich. Number one anybody in that 200k + tax bracket worked very hard to get there (except for JOHN KERRY WHO HAS BEEN SPOON FED HIS ENTIRE LIFE AND HAS NEVER HELD A JOB) so why should HARD WORK and PERSONAL SUCCESS be PENALIZED? These are the guys creating the JOBS JOBS JOBS, STIMULATING THE ECONOMY ECONOMY ECONOMY!!! BUSH has created tax breaks for everybody, KERRY WILL RAISE TAXES!!!!! PERIOD! If you were a big company or organization, would you want to expand and grow if you knew that more of what you made was going to be taken from you?? FUCK NO. Kerry=NO SENSE The reason why America is the most volitile economy in the world is because of work ethic, and the opportunity for personal wealth. The land of opportunity will quickly dissolve under Kerry's socialist type BIG GOVERNMENT. With Kerry WEALTH will be REDISTRIBUTED to fund MORE BIG GOVERNMENT programs. A government funded HEALTH CARE PROGRAM, HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH you guys think you pay taxes now?? Ooohhh myyyyyy? Just wait to see how much you brought home with that system. Kerry is out of touch with reality on everything, but his economic policies are truly mind boggling. I believe this issue, on top of foreign policy, will certainly be his demise.[/quote]

WHAT 'CHA GONNA DO WHEN PHANTOM-MANIA RUNS WILD ON YOU?!?!?!?!?

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#276295Post 8 of 20

Re: Kerry creams Bush in the 2nd debate

Where was Cobbs(Green)? Badnarik(Libertarian)? They were arrested for civil disobedience at St. Louis "Debate". Third party candidates are excluded once again from Presidential "debates"

< [url]http://www.votecobb.org/news/arrested[/url] >

-Jun_K

#276325Post 9 of 20

Re: Kerry creams Bush in the 2nd debate

Hey delirous how can you expect us to read that shit when one the quotes was from Paul Begala?? Umm...he was hired by the Kerry Campaign. Biased you think?? :roll:

Once again nice try.

#279180Post 10 of 20

Re: Kerry creams Bush in the 2nd debate

Looks like alot of you need to spend some time researching the facts. Bush spent the whole evening lying. Facts are what you should decide your vote on ~ not the dog and pony show that the debates have been turned into. There are plenty of resources out there. If you get your news from Fox and think Saddam had something to to with 9/11, you need to start doing some reading. Go to a bookstore. Just look at the top selling non-fiction - all politics. Give them a read before you start sounding off.

#279705Post 11 of 20

Re: Kerry creams Bush in the 2nd debate

I love this fighting over politics! I'm wondering, what will happen after the elections...some people are gonna get it then, on this forum. I'll tell ya.

:Naughty:

#279709Post 12 of 20

this forum will self distruct when the election is over.

really tho, what the fuck are we going to talk about when it is over?

#279760Post 13 of 20

[quote=Jenks";p="65050]this forum will self distruct when the election is over.

really tho, what the fuck are we going to talk about when it is over?[/quote]

how much you hate having kerry in office :ROFLMAO: :CrackUp:

AND pHaNtOm_MeNaCe what the fuck are you using my avatar for? if you type every other letter in upper case you need to get off my shit. thanks :WinkNSmi:

#279911Post 14 of 20

[quote=palmer";p="65106]AND pHaNtOm_MeNaCe [b]what the fuck are you using my avatar for?[/b] if you type every other letter in upper case you need to get off my shit. thanks :WinkNSmi:[/quote]

i second that, for a minut i tought it was palmer who was rambling like that.

ow, and i'm downloading the debates, i can't comment yet on who has one and who hasn't. (torrents rule :Bingo:)

#280377Post 15 of 20

Haa....toasty that hulk-a-mania plug was deserving, niice work. And Krelm I promise I have an alibi for those two nights of the debates, im not surprised though, I'm always the usual suspect.

Now, Palmer, you and your son lmmadic need to go feed each other your man junk. Indulge yourself in each others plums. Stop trying to plant your seed in my avatar, its just not nice.

Now back to politics. To alot on here, my previous post was a bit hard to digest, but you know what they say the truth hurts. After the debate, nobody is going to give a shit about politics for another 4 years. Personally, im probably going to venture into some obscure site or forum where I can torment different people, and antagonize anyone who opposes me.:) We should start a new thread....LIFE AFTER THE ELECTION FOR THE POLITICAL FORUM! MUAAHHHHAAAAAAA MUUUUAAAAHHHHHHHHAAAA

But the truth is you LIBERALS aren't trying to elect a president, you want to elect a fucking GOD! All a bunch of bullshit talk, make things sound all cheeky, no solutions. Im pretty vocal on this forum because, well, its fun and entertaining for myself. But you liberals make me sick sometimes. Your boy Edwards saying 'vote for Kerry, and those who are parapalegic will rise from their wheelchairs', referring to stem cell research [paraphrased by me] John Kerry attending church the other day when Rev. Al Sharpton said 'GOD has CHOSEN John Kerry'...'lets get back at them for the 2000 Election, vote John Kerry', ....wtf, this is a circus act campaign by the democrats. Can't wait until this is all over.

#280401Post 16 of 20

[quote=PhAntoM MeNaCe";p="65785]Your boy Edwards saying 'vote for Kerry, and those who are parapalegic will rise from their wheelchairs', referring to stem cell research [paraphrased by me] [/quote] I don't see anything wrong with that line. It's quite possible that could happen. Stem cell research has already cured people of cancer, why not victims of paralysis?

[quote=PhAntoM MeNaCe]John Kerry attending church the other day when Rev. Al Sharpton said 'GOD has CHOSEN John Kerry'..[/quote] How quickly you forget about the comment from Alan Keyes in regards to God not allowing Barack Obama to win the Illinois senate seat.

#280446Post 17 of 20

ska, lets not forget that BUSH is the FIRST & ONLY president that has provided federal money for stem cell research. He has said he supports it, and unlike Kerry, his record proves it. Now, you actually believe that for Edwards to suggest that by voting for Kerry...miraculously like a southern baptist or a pentacostal preacher, chronic & degenerative diseases such as paralysis, cancer, alzeimers, parkinsons...diseases that have tormented humans since the beginning of civilization, will be cured as a direct result of voting for Kerry??!! The entire world spends hundreds of billions of dollars for research to cure or slow down these progressive diseases, and Kerry/Edwards, by supporting the funding of this research(which we are ALREADY doing) is going to supernaturally, like a witch doctor, do some wonder working and those who were blind will now see, the dead will even rise from their grave!!! Ska....um, you dont see a problem with making this kind of erratic and irresponsible statement? Skahound, you might have been born in the USA but the rest of us weren't born yesterday.

#280458Post 18 of 20

Also Skahound.....hmmm.....cough....well I suppose your just talking out of your neck again or something but...well...heres some news for you. Stem cell research is preliminary RESEARCH. It has not been used to CURE ANYTHING. Yet of course...Im personally very optimistic I have to add. But do you even know what stem cell research is? or what your name is...how many fingers am I holding up? ha..j/k relax heres some education for ya friend...

?embryonic stem cells have the potential to be used to treat and better understand deadly and disabling diseases that affect more than 100 million Americans, such as cancer, heart disease, diabetes, Parkinson?s, Alzheimer?s, multiple sclerosis, spinal cord injury, and many others.?

"These numerical claims are outrageous. Embryonic stem cell research is a very young science, and its promise is at this point purely speculative. No human therapies of any kind have yet been developed or tested at all, for any disease or condition. And the notion that embryonic stem cells will cure ?cancer? and ?heart disease,? broad categories of diseases that are not used by researchers to refer to particular ailments, is utterly unsupported by even informed conjectures. Yet these broad categories are the only way that advocates for funding can pump up the numbers of people to be cured into the nine-digit stratosphere. One has to wonder how many of the 206 members of Congress who signed DeGette?s letter knew that this figure was wildly exaggerated, and whether they would still have signed if they had known the facts". [url]http://www.thenewatlantis.com/archive/5/soa/stemcells.htm[/url]

PS. dont be all frazzled by my tone, im just being a bit abrasive.

#280481Post 19 of 20

^^OK, but stem cell research has got a lot of scientists pretty excited about its potential.

I understand, although I do not agree with, the argument that we ought not engage in embryonic stem cell research because it involves destroying a human embryo. The argument that we ought not engage in stem cell research because it might not ultimately bear the type of fruit we're hoping for, however, fails to acknowledge the incredible potential that people educated in the field believe exists in this research. Scientific development should be encouraged -- the current administration's posture has restricted that development...

#280496Post 20 of 20

the fact that that man is the most powerful person in the world is utterly horrifying. " i own a lumber company, thats news to me.... anybody want some wood?". Good joke mr. bush! And good luck in those talks to prevent the threat of nuclear war.

I'm a conservative canadian and i really couldnt care less who's president, as long as its not that man. What a fucking retarded country. Jesus christ a man that stupid shouldnt be leading anything. Maybe im just 'misunderestimating' him though.

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