Obama now has a 10 point lead over Hillary as of Sunday Night. This guy is for real. I know nothing about him so obviously I'm going to have to do some research. Didn't see the NH debate, but apparently Hillary put on a whiny bitch fest that will probably seal her deal. This election is going to be fun.

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Obama is definitely surging and looks like he'll take NH and may take SC. A good point made by commentators and columnists is that with all the Obama wins, the African Americans that planned to vote Clinton will switch to Obama.

I like seeing Clinton and her inevitably campaign backfiring on her. I'm definitely not a fan of her and am skeptical of all her experience. Yes, she's been in Washington and politics for years, but she just recently ran for office the last few years. As Edwards said, she's the status quo and people want real change. And quite honestly, many people don't like her and her attitude.

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To follow up on my last post, two post-Iowa polls have come out in SC -- one has Obama up by 12, the other by 20.

[url]http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/south_carolina/election_2008_south_carolina_democratic_primary[/url]

[url]http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=066ea20c-d300-48cd-a585-cc9c356df4eb[/url]

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did hillary really cry today? LOL. man i hope there is youtube of that. i need a new avatar.

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^^lol

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Hillary did get emotional. She didn't start crying, but welled up and her voice cracked like she was about to start crying. Unfortunately for her it will be seen as weak by others and women are too emotional to hold the big office. Of course other liberal women will see it that she really cares. Depends on your pov.

Personally, I don't see it as that big of deal as I've seen Bush and many other men cry in tough situations. I'm not a Hillary fan, so it did bring a smile to my face.

I attached a link to website that has the video.

[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/07/hillary-tears-up-on-the-c_n_80254.html[/url]

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[QUOTE=Jenks;557761]did hillary really cry today? LOL. man i hope there is youtube of that. i need a new avatar.[/QUOTE]

yup - mentioned on Yahoo news - yes - that would be a great avatar if its a close up. - oops - didn't see above post - still - priceless.

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[QUOTE=superdave;557794] Personally, I don't see it as that big of deal as I've seen Bush and many other men cry in tough situations. [/QUOTE]

Here's the thing, though. When Bush got choked up after 9/11, it's because he was feeling the collective loss that all of us were feeling. The way I interpreted Clinton's mistiness, it was a product of her seeing her dream fade away, i.e, her [B]own [/B]loss.

Bush cried, and I'm thinking, "I'm right there with you, man." Clinton cries, and I'm like, "Am I supposed to be upset because you're upset you're getting your ass handed to you?"

Of course, I'm not a Clinton supporter, so I'm not feeling her.

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if all goes well she'll be crying again today!

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^^ :lol:

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This is freaking nuts -- never would have called this with all the polls as they were when the day began...

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Well, Clinton wins. Who knew.

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Polls were definitely wrong. Some polls had Obama with double digit leads. Makes me wonder a couple of things. Do Obama voters not make it to the polls? Or do they just like to go to the rallies. Also, did Hillary's emotional breakdown yesterday get her the sympathy vote?

Regardless, it definitely makes the Democratic race even more interesting. Not to mention the Republican race is wide open too.

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It dosen't mean she's won overall...it's just one state. I don't like her views, especially on how to fix our social sec. problem. It's again favoring the rich. But we would all love to have Bill again in office, so to speak....

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Man...Didn't see that one coming. I still think Obama has the edge, especially going into South Carolina, which should be a lay-up for him.

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a few chocked up watery eyed words from the big H and now shes human afterall?

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[QUOTE=Jenks;558236]I still think Obama has the edge, especially going into South Carolina, which should be a lay-up for him.[/QUOTE]

I think he certainly does in the next two states. He just got a big union endorsement in NV last night, and is expected to get another today. He ought to do well in NV and SC.

I was hoping that last night would be a de facto knock out blow (even though it's not like she would drop out before Feb 5), but it's clear we've got a real race now.

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[url]http://www.breitbart.tv/html/25784.html[/url] imo

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^ kinkster, as much as i hate you that was fuckin awesome! she should iron all of our shirts!

for everyone else: help me understand something: romney is leading in the number of delegates because of WY ([url]http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/[/url]) but everyone considers him a loser? iowa and nh had less delegates, but yet they are more important? how come?

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[QUOTE=KinKyJ;558297][url]http://www.breitbart.tv/html/25784.html[/url] imo[/QUOTE]

I actually think this played a pretty large role in what happened. Obama's internal polling showed him at 37, Hillary at 30, which is more or less consistent with what other polls showed. Point is, Obama got his 37%, and the difference-maker was undecided women who overwhelmingly showed up for Clinton.

Imagine you're an undecided woman trying to figure out who to support and a couple of douchebags show up chanting "Iron My Shirt." Think that might persuade you to side with the woman in a show of solidarity? I think it might. In fact, in light of the amount of media coverage that got in NH, I think it [B]did[/B]. My totally unscientific opinion, FWIW.

Here's the interesting thing about this, though. Before delivering her line about the remnants of sexism, she asked that the lights be brought up. Sure makes it easier to film something like that when the lights are up. I suppose it's possible that she recognized what they were doing, decided to take advantage of the moment with a zinger and determined that it would get the best media coverage with the lights up on the fly. If she did, kudos to her, because it worked. I'm not saying anything, I'm just sayin'...

Now if you'll excuse me, I have a grassy knoll I need to survey.

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[QUOTE=shosh;558302] for everyone else: help me understand something: romney is leading in the number of delegates because of WY ([url]http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/[/url]) but everyone considers him a loser? iowa and nh had less delegates, but yet they are more important? how come?[/QUOTE]

One word: momentum.

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[quote=Huggie Smiles;558246]a few chocked up watery eyed words from the big H and now shes human afterall?[/quote]

her crying was an attempt to make people believe she has a heart... all a deceptive ploy, imo. she played the pity card. she knows exactly what she's doing and people bought into those fake tears. god help us all.

between bill and hillary, i give them 5 stars on their acting jobs so far and suckering in voters. they are so full of shit.

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[QUOTE=toasty;558306]I actually think this played a pretty large role in what happened. Obama's internal polling showed him at 37, Hillary at 30, which is more or less consistent with what other polls showed. Point is, Obama got his 37%, and the difference-maker was undecided women who overwhelmingly showed up for Clinton.

Imagine you're an undecided woman trying to figure out who to support and a couple of douchebags show up chanting "Iron My Shirt." Think that might persuade you to side with the woman in a show of solidarity? I think it might. In fact, in light of the amount of media coverage that got in NH, I think it [B]did[/B]. My totally unscientific opinion, FWIW.

Here's the interesting thing about this, though. Before delivering her line about the remnants of sexism, she asked that the lights be brought up. Sure makes it easier to film something like that when the lights are up. I suppose it's possible that she recognized what they were doing, decided to take advantage of the moment with a zinger and determined that it would get the best media coverage with the lights up on the fly. If she did, kudos to her, because it worked. I'm not saying anything, I'm just sayin'...

Now if you'll excuse me, I have a grassy knoll I need to survey.[/QUOTE]

if she did that....i gotta say...

fucking brilliant imo. politics, serious business. :lol:

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Im sure everyone is well aware by now, especially after Bill's two campaigns, and his presidency, and now Hillary's campaign:

The Clinton Political Machine is nothing to take lightly. That thing is no joke. lol.

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i'm going to cry if she is elected... then maybe i'll get a few votes. :|

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Hillary Clinton. Eats young children for breakfast. Serious business.

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[QUOTE=Jenks;558332]Hillary Clinton. Eats young children for breakfast. Serious business.[/QUOTE]

+1 ass conspiracy

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nice haiku jenks

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Looks like those 2 "IRON MY SHIRT" guys were radio personalities doing a stunt, not plants. They might have unintentionally helped her win on Tuesday, though...

[url]http://consortiumnews.com/2008/010908.html[/url]

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God forbid Obama get the nomination. NH has credibilitiy at the polls but not much weight in determining who is the best candidate. Hillary Clinton is by far the best candidate.

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[QUOTE=jasonemryss;558616]Hillary Clinton is by far the best candidate.[/QUOTE]

By what standard? She loses to McCain in a head-to-head right now and Obama compares more favorably than her against every GOP comer. Edwards beats her, too. Also, she starts out with half of the country hating her guts. From a horse race standpoint, she's the GOP's best friend which, regardless of what you think of her policies, makes her the worst candidate, IMO.

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[img]http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/7413/supermanobama1471zy0.jpg[/img]

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[QUOTE=toasty;558306]I actually think this played a pretty large role in what happened. Obama's internal polling showed him at 37, Hillary at 30, which is more or less consistent with what other polls showed. Point is, Obama got his 37%, and the difference-maker was undecided women who overwhelmingly showed up for Clinton.

Imagine you're an undecided woman trying to figure out who to support and a couple of douchebags show up chanting "Iron My Shirt." Think that might persuade you to side with the woman in a show of solidarity? I think it might. In fact, in light of the amount of media coverage that got in NH, I think it [B]did[/B]. My totally unscientific opinion, FWIW.

Here's the interesting thing about this, though. Before delivering her line about the remnants of sexism, she asked that the lights be brought up. Sure makes it easier to film something like that when the lights are up. I suppose it's possible that she recognized what they were doing, decided to take advantage of the moment with a zinger and determined that it would get the best media coverage with the lights up on the fly. If she did, kudos to her, because it worked. I'm not saying anything, I'm just sayin'...

Now if you'll excuse me, I have a grassy knoll I need to survey.[/QUOTE] That actually makes a lot of sense and she is certainly intelligent enough to use that situation to advantage. If I was an undecided woman and those idiots showed up it would certainly help me make a decision.

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[url]http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/i_got_what_america_needs_right[/url]