pretty decent read on the situation-

[url]http://opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/[/url]

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Not a bad opinion piece. My only question to her. She mentions every candidate but one. Why no Ron Paul? Its obvious he has much support, if not main stream, to be mentioned.

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ron paul is weird. solid economic ideas, but not a president.

the man doesn't believe in evolution as a science.

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[quote=Jenks;555706]ron paul is weird. solid economic ideas, but not a president.

the man doesn't believe in evolution as a science.[/quote]

a pure constitutionalist though imo. a man after my own liking

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Here's a pretty interesting article discussing the realistic possibility that Iowa could end without a clear victor, and how the spin of the Iowa result -- i.e., which story the media latches on to -- could end up being more important than the result itself.

[url]http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/2008/01/an_iowa_push.html[/url]

As a matter of fact, this is pretty good blog for those interested in the horse race, process-based component of politics (as distinguished from policy). The last few posts are good reads on momentum and media coverage.

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Yea....whats it gonna say if a 1000 votes separate 1st and 2nd place. People should wise up to how divided this nation truly is.

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[QUOTE=Lorn;555614]Why no Ron Paul? Its obvious he has much support, if not main stream, to be mentioned.[/QUOTE]

This might be part of it:

[QUOTE]Many more are going to have difficultly avoiding the belief that our country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists -- and they can be identified by the color of their skin. This conclusion may not be entirely fair, but it is, for many, entirely unavoidable.

Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country. Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty, and the end of welfare and affirmative action.... Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the "criminal justice system," I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal. -Ron Paul[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/15/124912/740[/url]

Paul has some good ideas and good traits, he really does, and in the big picture, he's ideologically closer to me than many candidates. Also, I commend him for saying what's on his mind. This, on the other hand, is just offensive. Feel free to follow the link and see the context, because it just doesn't matter. You can't say shit like this and expect to be taken seriously. Paul gets his supporters riled up, but most people know that if he were ever put under the microscope that follows serious presidential candidates, he'd be hosed. Ron Paul nomination = sure win for his opponent.

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Obama and Huckster take the win.

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thank god obama won. i can't STAND clinton...

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I like how after belatedly spending millions on the Iowa campaign, Hillary's response through her staff was essentially: Iowa doesn't know shit and it is too small to matter! :lol:

Even if they are most likely correct, the manner in which they so openly say that demonstrates yet again in a small way how her entire campaign has a strong taste of arrogance and ignorance about it.

I find it hilariously delicious that she got her ass handed to her in Iowa. Here's to more of the same!

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i thought it was pretty telling obama got the female vote, not hillary.

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[quote=Jenks;556463]i thought it was pretty telling obama got the female vote, not hillary.[/quote]

True. Perhaps they really are the better sex.

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[QUOTE=Jenks;556463]i thought it was pretty telling obama got the female vote, not hillary.[/QUOTE]

what's more, he beat her in pretty much every demographic, except for the fossils. I'm pumped... :RockOn:

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did anyone see his victory speech? Not too long, definitely worth watching. Takes him about 2 minutes to let the applause die down and hit his stride, but once he does, it's a whale of a speech.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqoFwZUp5vc[/YOUTUBE]

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[quote=Miroslav;556462]I like how after belatedly spending millions on the Iowa campaign, Hillary's response through her staff was essentially: Iowa doesn't know shit and it is too small to matter! :lol:

Even if they are most likely correct, the manner in which they so openly say that demonstrates yet again in a small way how her entire campaign has a strong taste of arrogance and ignorance about it.

I find it hilariously delicious that she got her ass handed to her in Iowa. Here's to more of the same![/quote]

[U]HILLARY[/U]ous indeed

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quote of the day:

[QUOTE]"This feels good. It's just like I imagined it when I was talking to my kindergarten teacher,"[/QUOTE]

Barack Obama

[url]http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/01/quote-for-the-3.html[/url]

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Obama's victory speech was good. I remember watching him much earlier in the campaign thinking he wasn't the best speaker, but he really has improved over time. He's successfully portrayed himself as someone for change and Hillary as being arrogant and status quo.

The message to me from Iowa was that people want real change and new leaders. Obama and Huckabee winning are products of people wanting someone besides a Clinton or Bush in the White House.

What I find funny is how the traditional Republicans don't like Huckabee. They say he isn't a real conservative and he isn't Reagan enough for them. Why in '08 is Reagan the benchmark for conservatism? They come off as arrogant as the Hillary crowd who think they know what's best for this country.

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i think the more serious discussion revolves around huckabee.

honestly, it made me sick to my stomach to see huckabee win iowa. against obama, huckabee will get stomped.

i would vote for obama, and i'm a libertarian/paleoconservative

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Sincerity all around, just what current politics is missing...

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Republicans vote for Romney in Wyoming.

[url]http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8TVVMKG0&show_article=1[/url]