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US Economy: a little recession, anyone?...or hyperinflation?

17 durable postsStarted 2007-11-22Latest 2008-01-21
#48210Post 1 of 17

[URL]http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSN2062634620071121?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0[/URL]

So I trust most of you have seen all the stuff unfolding on the markets driven by the mortgages...I'm starting to really think about the likelihood of a recession or some serious inflation in the near term, particularly after what happened to Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae yesterday. These guys are supposed to be the best evaluators of credit around; they're supposed to be the providers of stability, and now they're cast in the exact opposite role. What happens when these guys get taken our or seriously hamstrung with losses?

These guys are the ones who basically insure the loans so that banks out there can keep extending mortgages to new customers. To the extent that these guys get incapacitated, the whole mortgage system will grind to a halt - and you can imagine what that means for the economy. I don't think that is in any way likely, as the government would absolutely have to bail them out before things got too bad. But still, this is likely to prolongue the entire mess...and as things get really bad Ben will probably end up slashing rates some more and pumping out more dollar bills into the economy...really putting us right into the crosshairs of some serious inflation.

Thoughts? Which will it be: Prolongued recession, high inflation, or somehow we'll get through it in one piece?

My best guess is that we're indeed going to have a recession in the near term. Batten down the hatches cuz it's gonna get ugly...

#942860Post 2 of 17

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It is gonna get messy and we will soon adopt the mexican peso as our national currency stay tuned.

#942908Post 3 of 17

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yeah I read about this already but it has been long time comming... [URL]http://www.economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10134077[/URL]

#942950Post 4 of 17

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Amero here we come!! The SPP is going to the next level stay tuned.

#943284Post 5 of 17

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If anyone does not understand the economic implications of OPEC dropping the dollar...the US economy will be in a SHIT storm if this really happens

[URL]http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/5309485.html[/URL]

buckle in boys and girls its gonna be a bumpy ride!

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5oUW5C02OQ[/YOUTUBE]

#943285Post 6 of 17

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bomb OPEC imo.

#943286Post 7 of 17

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here is the short explanation by a fat guy [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=365w3bO6HjU[/YOUTUBE]

#943289Post 8 of 17

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And if china dumps the dollar....uhuhuhuhuuuuuu!!!! YOU ARE F.U.C.K.E.D.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUvK79BvoHM[/YOUTUBE]

"30 million and $80 million.

Two big numbers...and the end of the world as we have known it.

The first number is the rate at which China is adding to its reserves of foreign currencies – mostly dollars – every hour.

The second number is the rate at which America's capital – as measured by the current account – is being depleted, also by the hour.

Last week, China's pool of reserves passed the $1 trillion mark, making it the largest lake of money in the world."

[URL]http://www.dailyreckoning.co.uk/article/071120062.html[/URL]

#943301Post 9 of 17

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miroslav...

answer: a recession AND we'll get through it in one piece.

#943374Post 10 of 17

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i can't wait to get paid in euros on friday!

#943395Post 11 of 17

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[quote=tiddles;546855]i can't wait to get paid in euros on friday![/quote]

Me too! This dls euro exchange is killing me.

#943404Post 12 of 17

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[quote=Jenks;546779]miroslav...

answer: a recession AND we'll get through it in one piece.[/quote]

^agreed, and we won't know we're in a recession until after we already in one...

#943448Post 13 of 17

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But, seriously its gonna be some funny shit if this get used ... for the Amero.

#944701Post 14 of 17

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Imgaine if China dumped all it's dollars and the OPEC started trading in Euros. Still at least it would stop the Mexican immigrants.

#960003Post 15 of 17

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[IMG]http://online.wsj.com/img/b.gif[/IMG] [URL="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120009796448585205.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news"][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=4][COLOR=#0253b7]Economy's Stable Leg Starts to Totter[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/URL]

[URL]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120009796448585205.html?mod=hps_us_whats_news[/URL]

wheeeeee :D

#960082Post 16 of 17

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Finally...a Beamer is gonne be the same price in the USA as in Europe :D

#962327Post 17 of 17

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[B]Opinion piece from the Wall Street Journal...[/B]

[quote] [B]U.S. Warning Signs Point [/B][B]Toward a Deep Recession[/B]

[COLOR=#666]Housing Crunch, [/COLOR] [COLOR=#666]Squeeze on Consumers [/COLOR] [COLOR=#666]Exceed Earlier Slumps[/COLOR] By [B]JUSTIN LAHART[/B] [I][SIZE=2][COLOR=#666666]January 21, 2008[/COLOR][/SIZE][/I]

The U.S. has suffered recessions only twice in the past quarter century and both were short and mild. There are good reasons to fear that the looming recession, if it arrives, could be worse.

Housing is in the midst of its worst downturn since at least the 1970s. That has led to a meltdown in the mortgage market; with financial firms struggling to make sense of their losses, they are making it harder for even credit-worthy borrowers to get loans. The combination of heavy debt loads, still-high energy and food prices and a weakening job market has households tightening their belts. Consumer spending, long a bulwark of the economy, is faltering.

That sets the stage for something more severe than the 2001 recession, which spanned just eight months, says Merrill Lynch economist David Rosenberg. During that slump, in which gross domestic product declined a slight 0.4%, quarterly consumer spending slowed but never contracted -- the first time that happened during a recession since the 1940s.

The eight-month recession that ended in early 1991, when a housing downturn and credit problems sapped the economy, is a better guide. From its peak to its trough, GDP shrank 1.3%, and consumer spending slipped.

Today's housing debacle is even worse, says Mr. Rosenberg, and the financial crisis it has precipitated is far more severe.

University of Maryland economist Carmen Reinhart and Harvard University economist Kenneth Rogoff agree. They say the current crisis appears on track to be at least as bad as the five most catastrophic financial crises to hit industrialized countries since World War II.

If those past experiences are any guide, the economy is in trouble, they argue in a recent paper. Indeed, "if the United States does not experience a significant and protracted growth slowdown, it should either be considered very lucky or even more 'special' than most optimistic theories suggest," they write.

One reason that large crises inflict so much damage is that financial institutions have a hard time getting a handle on how bad their losses will be, and that uncertainty makes them less willing to lend. [URL="http://online.wsj.com/quotes/main.html?type=djn&symbol=c"][COLOR=#0253b7]Citigroup[/COLOR][/URL] Inc. and [URL="http://online.wsj.com/quotes/main.html?type=djn&symbol=mer"][COLOR=#0253b7]Merrill Lynch[/COLOR][/URL] & Co. Inc. each reported billions of dollars in losses last week that were in addition to the billions in losses they reported in the fall. Citigroup said it was building its loan-loss reserves for auto loans and credit-card debt, in addition to mortgages, and that it was tightening credit-card lending standards.

"Part of the problem is just not knowing," Ms. Reinhart says. "The longer the process of not knowing what the losses are takes, the longer the resolution takes." Japan was the extreme example, she says, as the inability to appropriately gauge the losses from the 1990s real-estate and stock bubble collapse led to a "lost decade" of economic growth.

A critical difference between the U.S. and Japan is that the Federal Reserve has been cutting its target for its benchmark federal-funds rate and appears ready to cut it more deeply, whereas the Bank of Japan was still raising rates a year after Japan's bubble began to collapse. Also, Congress and the White House are both promising a fiscal-stimulus package, with Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke pushing for a plan that would help boost spending this year.

Companies, at least those outside of the banking and housing sectors, might also take some of the sting out of a recession. Their finances are in far better shape now than they were in 2001, and credit so far is still widely available. As they repaired their balance sheets in the wake of the 2001 recession, companies were also slower to hire than in past economic expansions. That may mean they won't be able to cut jobs as deeply, says Goldman Sachs economist Jan Hatzius.

Robert Gordon, an economist at Northwestern University in Illinois who is also a member of the National Bureau of Economic Research committee that determines (usually long after the fact) when recessions begin, is hopeful that overseas growth may continue to bolster the U.S. economy. He notes that exports, which have been growing rapidly and account for more than twice as large a share of GDP as home construction does, will continue to post strong growth, easing the pain of the housing decline.

Still, he thinks a recession is probably coming and that the challenges facing consumers, in particular, are more severe than they were in the two previous downturns. In addition to the housing troubles and mortgage-market woes, higher food and energy costs are cutting into household budgets, he says.

"While energy is not as important a part of the consumer budget as it was in the '70s -- nor is food -- nevertheless, the squeeze will push out consumption in everything else," Mr. Gordon says. "Across the board, I think we're going to have significant ongoing pressure in inflation-adjusted retail sales."

Robert Barbera, an economist at New York trading-services firm Investment Technology Group Inc., agrees. "Consumers will be part of this recession in a way that they weren't in 2001," he says.

Even if the country is in for just a mild recession, the pressure on spending, coupled with what has happened in the housing and mortgage markets, may make it feel a lot worse for most Americans than the last two downturns did.[/quote]

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