We take Pete's car, we drive over to mum's, we go in, take care of Phillip - "I'm so sorry Phillip". - then we grab mum, we go over to Liz's place, hole up, have a cup of tea and wait for this whole thing to blow over. =D

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:RockOn: Good idea

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The US would avoid so much trouble if they would be at peace with korea china the middle east and the rest of the world for that matter

they ve been antagonizing everyone for the past couple of years

rouge nation

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That will take defenatly to the next Irack , Bush want it, at least is what I think,

Since when is it the US's job to be the big brother of the world. I agree with Jib I think if we would take care of our own problems and not worry about what is going on in the rest of the world. We would not be in this mess. War is not the answer.

[quote=PhAntoM MeNaCe]Hey Jibgolly aka crack endorser aka epidemic creator aka spokesperson for the misguided and the miseducated, you must be spending waaay too much time in your bedroom with the music on too loud in your earphones...you missed what happened over the last 3 years. We were attacked, im serious you can ask one of your neighbors, they'll fill you in on everything, buy you have to come out of your room once in awhile. What your not 'getting' is that radical Islam declared Jihad on the US in 1978. Wheew im just happy YOU do not hold office, we would ALL BE DEAD.[/quote]

Can i just correct your statement here, if Jihad was declared on US in 78, why US was training and supporting giving weapons to Osama and Mojahdin in Afghanistan ? Basically if you read more than watching CNN and all they Yanky Wanky news channels you will know that Jihad was declared on US after the 1st gulf war when the US had military bases in Saudi which is the holy land for Muslim and shouldn't hold forging forces.

History?

The CIA overthrew Iran's first democratically elected government in 1953 when it tried to nationalise its own natural resources ? installing the pro-American Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlevi who effectively became a dictator.

Not surprisingly there was a people's revolution in 1979 which launched a jihad against the US ? entirely unrelated to the jihad war the US helped instigate in Afghanistan against the USSR.

The Islamic clerics have clearly been too aggressive to the US but given that Saddam launched a war against Iran which the US backed and then subsequently shot down an Iranian passenger airline in 1988 (killing nearly 300 people) on a recognised flight path, you can expect some antagonism.

Iran supported the US in its invasion of Iraq and instead of thanking them, Bush named them as a rogue state.

I'm not defending Iran's Islamic clerics but the progressives in Iran are moving the situation forward ? and let's not forget it's an entirely different situation to Iraq.

And Deep Dish are Iranian :D

Ah, finally someone looking at it the same way I do.

Iran is not a democracy, but it is moving towards that with the reform party. However, the support for Khatami has been declining over the past few years. People say he hasn't delivered on his promises for reform, but how could he, when the highest political authority is the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei? He has opposed virtually every reform oriented proposal, and right now the hardliners have a majority in parliament, which ties Khatami even more.

As long as Iran doesn't become a secular state, it's gonna be a tough ride for the reformists out there...but at least there is a support basis for liberalisation of the country.