rather that hijack the other thread where lobsterclanster is ranting about NORML, i thought i'd start a new topic completely, and try to get away from liberal this and right that...

[quote=LobsterClan";p="55974]"I'm a pothead, and I'm more right then I am left. Except for that political compass Jenks posted, which I was more left on.

Besides, you don't have to be a pothead to think Pot should be legal. You just have no clue what your talking about."

After reading through pages and pages of anti-Kerry bile, to see asdf say all of a sudden that if Kerry supported legalization of marijuana, it's no stretch to assume that marijuana is a major issue for him-- for it to be that much of an issue, the chances are pretty great he's a pothead. As a former pothead, I too favor legalization greatly--- amazing, something we agree on.

Finally, if you go to the Norml website scorecard [url]http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5895[/url]

You'll see that Bush gets a thumbs down on all Marijuana related issues-- Kerry gets three so-so's and one thumbs up. Hmmm, who is the more marijuana-friendly candidate???

Oh yeah, I forgot, Norml is a tool of the liberal machine. HAHAHAHA[/quote]

I personally don't want a president who has never experimented with drugs. I dunno, i just don't feel right about having someone high up(pardon the pun) delegating drug policy on something he's never tried.

We all know Clinton and Bush's drug use, as it is well "hear say" documented, which i think at this point we can pretty much state as fact. Funny how that works isn't it. lol.

ok, now...as far as legalizing marijuana, and even other drugs, i'll say this:

if you went to college, and you didn't experiment with drugs, at least toke the hippie lettuce, or eat some shrooms or something, then i dub thee a dork. Sorry, but man, it's college, and i don't care what kind of grades you got or what special program you were in, i've done drugs in college with people who are now doctors and lawyers and teachers, and man they were out of their fucking gord in college.

Now, does that mean i think drugs should be legalized, NO. I do think marijuana should be decriminialized so it can be used in research and more readily available as an alternative medicine. Do i think it should be legal to purchase over the counter so kids can obtain it so much easier? Fuck NO! I've been to amsterdam, regardless of what they state about their crime rate down and blah blah blah, hog wash, that city is full of fucked up people. Granted, most of them are tourists, but still, no way i want mariuana or shrooms made available over the counter. You can show me studies all day long about the benefits of legalizing drugs, and i'll show you some high school drop out sitting on his couch with his cock in his hand watching britney spears videos smoking blunts all day not being productive. Experimenting in college is one thing, and the occasional toke as a professional is one thing, but out right legalization is a bad idea to our already addicitive society.

I agree there are far too many people locked up in prison for drugs. I really don't have a solution for this. Maybe decriminalization is the answer. 1. it takes the some of the market out of illegal drugs because they are more readily available, but hopefully still out of the reach of children. 2. it makes room in prisons for rapists, murders, robbers, etc, who are getting off early due to over crowding.

i don't really know where i'm going from here with any of this, so i'll just digress.

any thoughts? i'm sure there will be you fucking pot heads. lol. (it's rather hypocritical of me to call some of you that since i was once a pot head myself.)

anyway, penny for your thoughts.

*one final thing, all of you liberal supporters quoting norml and yikkity yak, i've yet to hear one thing about Kerry trying drugs. Bush has been shoving product up his nose and smoking god knows what since Harvard. Scoreboard!

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[quote]*one final thing, all of you liberal supporters quoting norml and yikkity yak, i've yet to hear one thing about Kerry trying drugs. Bush has been shoving product up his nose and smoking god knows what since Harvard. Scoreboard![/quote]

Kerry has admitted to trying marijuana, as has John Edwards. Bush has not admitted to ever trying it, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

[url]http://www.cannabis.net/presidentialpot.html[/url]

so that's all you have to say about drugs in america?

ffs, i will from now on discredit your responses if that's all you can give. Kerry said, bush didn't. Blah blah blah.

[quote=Jenks";p="56038]so that's all you have to say about drugs in america?

ffs, i will from now on discredit your responses if that's all you can give. Kerry said, bush didn't. Blah blah blah.[/quote]

Err.. I have plenty to say on drugs in America. I answered the bit that was directed to me. I would prefer to see more responses before I get to my own views-- besides, I'm currently in a poker tournament and can't go into great detail. Terribly sorry my answer, with the facts, wasn't to your liking.

so you're a gambler AND a drug addict? :lol:

Jenks, you're sort of making the same mistake a lot of others make when talking about legalization. People automatically make the leap to "I don't want it so kids can go buy it over the counter. That's too much."

That stance make a lot of sense, but there are many forms of legalization. It can become a prescription drug. Doctors can be authorized to prescribe it for stress relief, in addition to the other benefits it has.

Even if it were to be legalized for recreational use, it could still be tightly controlled if desired. Obviously, 21 to purchase, like alcohol. Maybe keep hash bars illegal, public smoking illegal, even selling it can be illegal, but make possession legal.

There are a million different ways to legalize without turning every city into a collection of stoner bars.

My personal stance is that medical marijuana should be legalized ASAP and penalties should be drastically reduced for all forms of possession and selling. Jail sentences should be eliminated for all but the most blatantly kingpinnish of dealers. Police drug unit budgets should be reprioritized to make marijuana investigations the absolute lowest priority. Those are great first steps.

After that, we let the dust settle. See what the impact is on our society, and see if we need to keep the reins that tight, or if we can open them up a little more.

The real point is we have no idea what the impact will be, but most people agree the current state of affairs is ridiculous and unacceptable. Let's start with some minor changes and see what the impact is.

[quote=timkell";p="56049]That stance make a lot of sense, but there are many forms of legalization. It can become a prescription drug. Doctors can be authorized to prescribe it for stress relief, in addition to the other benefits it has.[/quote]

guess you missed the part where i said it should be decriminalized to the point where it can be used for research, alternative fuels, and medicine.

decriminialization needs to happen.

i do not think it should be sold over the counter like alcohol to people 21 and over. As you're well aware i'm sure, it's easy for kids 13 years old to have older siblings buy alcohol for them. Hell when i was 15 i was drinking whiskey and beer my older brother had his older friends buy for me.

If it's prescribed by doctors, then fine, but otc should be out of the question.

a story...

i graduated with a creative writing/english literature degree, not that i'm using it worth a piss tho.

one of my first few classes in my major was a pursuasive writing lab. it was an experiement to see how you could write about something and convince a target audience to agree with your points regardless of the controversy.

i approached my professor with the idea of arguing for the legalization of marijuana. His response was, "You can use this topic, but be warned, i've read a LOT of papers on this subject, you're going to have to come from a completely different angle than the others did to do well on this project."

Well, i got an A because i didn't focus on the recreational use or the effects the effects of the drug. I turned the paper in to an economics lesson. The legalization (or decriminalization in this instance) of marijuana could have a great positive economic impact on our economy via taxation, paper products, deforestation, fossil fuels, medicinal, etc...but, not once did i ever say it should be used like alcohol or tobacco. That doesn't mean i ever want it available to the general public. Those who really want to get some, can probably get some anyway, why make it that much easier by having it sitting behind a bar?

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I think it's ok for anyone to have tried drugs at some point in their life run for and hold political office. Everyone makes mistakes and you can't hold it against them forever. Now, I don't think they should break laws while in office. I prefer someone that did do drugs recreationally because I think they have a better understanding of Americans.

As for decriminilzation of marijuana, I'm not sold on that. The bad side is that I too have seen lots of stoners that do nothing, but get high. I've seen the stoners that do well and the alcoholics too that are successful. It really depends on the person. Some can handle it and others can't.

Marijuana isn't harmless health wise either. Smoking cigarettes are bad for you and cause lung cancer and other health issues, so weed wouldn't be any different. That said, then who sells marijuana legally or would want too? Phillip Morris and other tobacco companies have been settling cancer lawsuits for millions of dollars for years. The lawyers would salivate on suing the marijuana companies for cancer, addiction, or who knows what.

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[quote=superdave";p="56125]IMarijuana isn't harmless health wise either. Smoking cigarettes are bad for you and cause lung cancer and other health issues, so weed wouldn't be any different. That said, then who sells marijuana legally or would want too? Phillip Morris and other tobacco companies have been settling cancer lawsuits for millions of dollars for years. The lawyers would salivate on suing the marijuana companies for cancer, addiction, or who knows what.[/quote]

This is entirely incorrect. Marijuana does not cause lung cancer. While it would be logical to assume that since cigarettes cause lung cancer, marijuana would as well-- it simply isn't the case. You'll notice how lung cancer rates in Jamaica are significantly lower than elsewhere.

I'm fairly certain that the reason for cigarettes causing lung cancer is, as C Everett Koop said on TV, because the tobacco grown by big tobacco is radioactive.

"U.S. government studies have show that a pack-and-a-half of tobacco cigarettes per day over a year for just one year is the equivalent to your lungs of what some 300 chest x-rays (using the old, pre-1980s slow x-ray film and without using any lead protection) are to your skin."

I also think that the tobacco companies could make cigarettes non-radioactive if they so chose-- but it would be much more expensive for them. The only "safe" cigarettes you can smoke are organic American Spirits-- and those average about $5/pack.

Some good information here: [url]http://www.smokingfacts.org/[/url]

i smoke pot. all the time.

^^^ liar. you fucking straight edge pos.

straight edge? no straight? yes smarter than the average bear? billadung ho ho heeeeeeee

lol. love you pal. i hope life is treating you well.

write to me soon sweetie.

xoxoxoxo.

life sux. die. drink. fuck. smoke. snort. inject. eat shit. fuck fuck fuck. water beer vodka vodka drugs

a little long for a haiku, but it will do. =P

bling bling

At least some thread was hijacked.

I'm all for decriminalization of possession of pot. It ought to be on par with getting a traffic ticket or something. No way should users be sitting in jail. Sure, potheads have a tendency to contribute nothing to society sitting around their apartments stoned all day, but a pothead sitting in prison contributes even less and wastes taxpayer money.

Geroge Carlin - "You show me some guy sitting on his couch smoking pot jerking off all day, and i'll show you someone who isn't causing any fucking problems."

I'm going to have to agree with Jenks on this one. Lobster, your probably going to get really confused, so brace yourself. ;)

I poke smot, yeppers. I do it freely, and pretty much wherever and whenever I feel like it. Yet, it is not legal. Nor do I think it should be. I definetely think it should be decriminilized, and the penalty for getting busted with a small amount on you should be nothing more then a slap on the wrist. Across the board, penalties regarding Mary Jane should be lessened significantly, but people should still pay the price.

I don't think it should be legal for a number of reasons, at least buy it over the counter legal like Jenks has said. It just wouldn't work, and would make any effort for the public to embrace Mary Jane on a whole less convincing. People in Colorado smoke it always, finding it is as easy as finding a tree to smoke it by. So what is the problem? What I dont see is what will change if it was legal in a recreational way. Cops would be looking for it more readily, and probably have some device invented like the breathalizer, only for THC. That wouldn't help the situation for me. I have been busted with a small amount, but the cops could really care less, all I got was a slap on the wrist. And that was when I was young, I'm smart enough and cautious enough now that I doubt I will ever be busted with it again. You just have to be careful. Where as if it was legal, chances are they would be taking more measures against people caught smoking it where they shouldn't be. Because if it was legal, it still wouldn't be legal anywhere in public. I just don't see any real advantages in it becoming legal.

All other drugs aside, Mary Jane is harmless, utterly harmless. Other steps should be taken on the other drug's front though, like coke and heroin addicts should get the help they need, not be locked away. As it stands, unless your a hollywood movie star, you get locked up. Yet Nader has proven time and again that it would actually cost tax payers millions upon millions less to help rehabilitate these people rather then pay for them to be in prison for 30+ years. Everyone wins. One of the reasons, actually probably the only reason why I love Nader.

Any way, thats just a bit of my 3 cents on the matter.

here are many cents. i was an avid smokey bear before i was given the proud title of a baby maker. i believe in life moderation is the key to anything you do, and perhaps that does directly apply to substance.

i really could fucking care less what my neighbor(s) do in their free time as long as there are no direct effects towards me or my family. that is how simple it is.

a drug is a drug, and surly there are worse and better. advil is a fucking drug, and perhaps one of the most abused drugs out there, yet there are no statements or warnings. people just pop and pop away.

as you work up the scale in the drug world, there are many people who can not "handle" their own aka "tweakers". those are the people that fuck it up for the rest of us responsible people. it is sad, and unfair. yet i can see the concern of legalization of something so small. yet good old beer and wine is served to people all day, and some drive home and kill. at that level, i think is should be legal. for in my world alcohol is the worse of the two evils. if we could trust each other to make "good" choices, well everything would be fine and dandy. but i can assure if you ever had someone killed due to a drunk driver, you perhaps would want alcohol outlawed.

people and things. things and people.

la la la .

[quote=Jenks";p="56046]so you're a gambler AND a drug addict? :lol:[/quote]

After glancin' at some Poker Tournament shows on TV, I gotta say...anyone who can sit on the table and make bets like Gus Hansen and still keep a straight face will not leave the table empty handed. Those that dun know about the 'art' of calmness (Fook all those sunglasses and hats...just CALMNESS!) should not simply label ppl as gamblers or drug addicts because they tried stuff back in the days. As far a I'm concerned, Herbs is what helps keep the world sane and not always out killing each other. Perhaps kids are too young to snap of out that relaxing 'cus their being bombarded with BS and so are us. People claim that cigarettes and alcohol relaxes...so what about nature's HERBS! So cigarettes and alcohol is okay because the lobbyists say it's okay...I get it. :Wacko:

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I smoke, i drink, i snort. I don?t inject it?s a choice.
My drug of choice is cannabis, i enjoy a drink but i am more suited to getting stoned. I enjoy a good snort when going out and sometimes when i stay in. I am an adult, i make informed choices what i put into my body.

I don?t need a goverment to tell me what i can do with my own body, that is my choice, i am not hurting anyone, but i am sick of having to lurk on street corners to buy my drugs of a stinking little criminal who will probably rip me off, he doesn?t pay taxes, he lives outside the law.

The law of prohibition has failed, it failed because it is basically wrong.

This is one of numerous laws that should be changed, it is outdated and i firmly believe that the majority of people in the US and UK want it changed. IMO opinion we are to blame for not standing up and being counted.

I can walk into a licqour store and buy bottle of whisky, then go home and drink it all and kill myself. i am leagally allowed to buy poison and pay tax on this poison.

Yet i?m not allowed to fcuking buy spliff. We truely live in a crazy world.

it is only illegal if you are caught ...

^^^^^LOL that is like so true... plus c'mon pot is all about peace and love... there is no way in hell that a pothead could harm the world... the problem is that if potheads ruled the world.. there wouldn't be any productivity so therefore it wouldn't be money and economy and all that bullshit that is sending the world to wars, hunger, death etc.... but well that is a theorical world and impossible to create... so yep.. let's keep the MOTAH semi-legal and everything will work... chemicals are the issue.. that shit should be illegal and very punished in every part of the world...

Peace

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ooops I forgot... they should be illegal but they are fun as fuck specially when u know what to use, and how to use it.. USE IT DON'T ABUSE IT!!! :Bingo:

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