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IRS loses challenge to prove tax liability

8 durable postsStarted 2007-07-26Latest 2007-08-08
#44466Post 1 of 8

another one beats the system

[url]http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56855[/url]

[FONT=Palatino, Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+1][COLOR=#000000]Lawyer is acquitted after arguing income levy lacks legal foundation[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=-1]Posted: July 26, 2007 1:00 a.m. Eastern

[/SIZE] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times][FONT=Palatino, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times, serif] By Bob Unruh [SIZE=-1] ? 2007 WorldNetDaily.com [/SIZE] [/FONT] [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]The [URL="http://www.wnd.com/redir/r.asp?http://www.irs.gov/localcontacts/index.html"]Internal Revenue Service[/URL] has lost a lawyer's challenge in front of a jury to prove a constitutional foundation for the nation's income tax, and the victorious attorney now is setting his sights higher. [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]"I think now people are beginning to realize that this has got to be the largest fraud, backed up by intimidation and extortion and by the sheer force of taking peoples property and hard-earned money without any lawful authorization whatsoever," lawyer Tom Cryer told WND just days after a jury in Louisiana acquitted him of two criminal tax counts. [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]And before you consign him to the legions of "tin foil hat brigades" who argue against paying taxes, and then want payment to explain how to do that, he addresses the issue up front. [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times] adsonar_placementId=1270202;adsonar_pid=663759;adsonar_ps=1451068;adsonar_zw=300;adsonar_zh=250;adsonar_jv="ads.adsonar.com"; [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]"These snake oil peddlers have conned millions of dollars out of many well-intended patriots and left a trail of broken lives in their wake. ? These charlatans should be avoided, not only because they will lead you to bankruptcy and prison, but because by association they discredit those who are telling the truth," he said. [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]The truth, he said, is where he comes in, with the launch of a new [URL="http://www.wnd.com/redir/r.asp?http://www.truthattack.org/"]Truth Attack[/URL] website that is intended to build on his victory, and create a coalition of resources to defeat ? ultimately ? the income tax in the United States. [/FONT] [IMG]http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/logoBig%20%282%29.jpg[/IMG] [FONT=arial][SIZE=1]The logo for the new Truth Attack campaign against income taxes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]Although the legal citations in the case tend to run the length of paragraphs, Cryer told WND the underlying issue is not that complicated. Essentially, he argued that income is not necessarily any money that comes to a person, but rather categories such as profit and interest. [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]He said the free exchange of labor for compensation has been upheld as a right by the Supreme Court, but that doesn't necessarily make the compensation income. [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]If ever such an argument were to be presented widely, Cryer said, the income to the federal government would plummet. But not to worry, he said, the expenses could be reduced equally by eliminating programs, departments and agencies that also have no foundation in the Constitution. [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]"The Founding Fathers intentionally restricted the taxing powers of the new federal government as a measure of restraint on its size. By exceeding that limited taxing authority the federal government has been able to obtain resources beyond its intended reach, and that money has enabled the federal government to exceed its authority," he said. [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]For example, he said, the Constitution does not empower the federal government to regulate education, or employment, and agriculture, yet it does so. [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]The jury in U.S. District Court in Louisiana voted 12-0 to find Cryer, of Shreveport, not guilty of failure to file income taxes for two years. He had been indicted in 2006 on charges of failing to pay $73,000 to the IRS in 2000 and 2001. The next step in his personal case will be up to the IRS and prosecutors, if they choose to continue the issue, he said. [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]But for the rest of the nation, he's working with [URL="http://www.wnd.com/redir/r.asp?http://www.save-a-patriot.org/"]Save-a-Patriot,[/URL] [URL="http://www.wnd.com/redir/r.asp?http://freeenterprisesociety.com/"]the Free Enterprise Society,[/URL] [URL="http://www.wnd.com/redir/r.asp?http://www.livefreenow.org/"]Live Free Now[/URL] and his own [URL="http://www.wnd.com/redir/r.asp?http://www.gcstation.net/liefreezone/"]Lie Free Zone[/URL] to spread the message of the truth. [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]"There are three points that are important," he told WND. "There's no law making the average working man liable [for income taxes], there's no law or regulation that allows the IRS to contend that earnings are 100 percent profit received in exchange for nothing, and the right to earn a living through any lawful occupation is a constitutionally protected fundamental right, and it is exempt from taxation." [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]Spokesman Robert Marvin in Washington's IRS office told WND the Internal Revenue Code provides for taxation on salaries or wages, but when pressed for a specific citation, or constitutional provision, he said, "I can't comment." [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]Cryer's encounter with tax law began more than a decade ago when a friend told him the income tax was sham. Cryer started researching, hoping to keep his friend out of trouble. But his conclusions, after years of research, were exactly what his friend told him. [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]He researched not only tax laws, but also the documents pertaining to the drafting of the U.S. Constitution as well as the first income tax. [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]He said throughout his battle, he's offered at every turn to pay taxes if the IRS could show him the authorization, and that never has happened. [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]"The Criminal Investigation Division and Department of Justice both responded only with 'your position is frivolous.' I had never stated a position, so how could they know whether it was frivolous?" he said. "Imagine my sending you a bill for $1,000 and when you call me and ask what the bill was for I simply said, 'that position is frivolous, just write the check and send it in.'" [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]His acquittal, he said, was a precedent because it means "people can see and recognize the truth." [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]He said multiple Supreme Court opinions have affirmed an individual's ownership of his or her own labor, and "exercising your fundamental rights" is not taxable. "It is definitely a trade. What most people receive in the form of wages, salaries or in my case fees that they personally earned for their labor is not received in exchange for nothing." [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]He said there might be a profit that should be taxable, but there might not. [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]"The IRS lets Wal-Mart sell a trillion dollars worth of goods, but they can back out their cost of goods [before being taxed,]" he said. "The IRS considers, in the case of a Wal-Mart wage earner, 100 percent of what he takes in is profit." [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]"But he's using his life, energy and work lifespan, and depleting it as he goes," Cryer told WND. "[Working] is a God-given fundamental right that is protected under the Constitution and can't be taxed any more than exercising freedom of speech." [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]While he waits to see what, if anything, the IRS and Justice Department will do next in his case, he's working to coordinate the groups that are battling taxation as unconstitutional. [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]"I have started a campaign to unify [the work] and we've got a number of organizations that are sponsoring and supporting this campaign," he said. The goal is to get everyone "who is aware of the truth" organized so they can spread the word. [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]He warned without a restoration of constitutional basics, the nation is lost. [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]"Read your Constitution and you will see that the federal role does not include ANY authority to regulate or tax any citizen directly and that WE expressly reserved the right to rule and govern ourselves as States, not as mere political subdivisions," his website says. [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]"The Constitution does not allow the government to run your lives, but the money it is stealing from millions of Americans is the fuel for its over-reaching and kibitzing. Take the money back and we and our states and communities can again be free," he said. [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]The fight is over "our FREEDOM from rule by a DISTANT RULER, just as we fought to free ourselves of a distant England over 200 years ago," he said. [/FONT]

#895833Post 2 of 8

Re: IRS loses challenge to prove tax liability

hah - i just called a CPA to help me figure out how bad i'm going to get raped on self-employment taxes

#895846Post 3 of 8

Re: IRS loses challenge to prove tax liability

that guy is good, but now he cannot complain when his house gets robbed, or his street has potholes, or any other gov't funded privelege we actually take for granted.

#895849Post 4 of 8

Re: IRS loses challenge to prove tax liability

interesting. Before we get too excited, though, a Louisiana jury's finding that he's not guilty of failing to file tax returns doesn't necessarily support the idea that we can all quit paying taxes as a matter of law. Let me know if you see anything more about this, I'd be curious about the underlying case and exactly what issue was before the jury.

#896558Post 5 of 8

Re: IRS loses challenge to prove tax liability

[quote=thesightless;512612]that guy is good, but now he cannot complain when his house gets robbed, or his street has potholes, or any other gov't funded privelege we actually take for granted.[/quote]

it's a give and take. I don't believe the idea to pay taxes like this was introduced to fund government programs, but along the way someone streamlined that into the whole thing further entangling the whole web.

However, more and more cases like this that win will set precedents that can be used in future cases...still way too early for every Joe Schmoe to try and file suits for this though

#896916Post 6 of 8

Re: IRS loses challenge to prove tax liability

[quote=thesightless;512612]that guy is good, but now he cannot complain when his house gets robbed, or his street has potholes, or any other gov't funded privelege we actually take for granted.[/quote]

The income tax doesnt cover the roads or cops. Roads are fixed because of the gas taxes.. cops are judicial from property taxes.. All that the income tax does is try to pay off the interest every year from the Federal Reserve (which is a private bank)... The government can't audit them either..

#901924Post 7 of 8

Re: IRS loses challenge to prove tax liability

might help this couple:

[URL]http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-taxevaders20jul20,1,5169669.story?coll=la-headlines-nation&track=crosspromo[/URL]

#901959Post 8 of 8

Re: IRS loses challenge to prove tax liability

[quote=Huggie Smiles;516257]might help this couple:

[URL]http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-taxevaders20jul20,1,5169669.story?coll=la-headlines-nation&track=crosspromo[/URL][/quote]

[URL]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42707[/URL]

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