So I have been watching the news and news related shows (Daily Show, etc) and there is speculation that Gore may throw his hat in the running for president....think he will? If so, do you think he will win? I do.

If he did win, I think that would be the best thing to happen to the US....I think he would make an amazing president.

What are your thoughts?

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He will most likely not run. If he did run, he would not win. If he did win, he would make a horrible president.

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that is indeed a good thought. i think he at least has the smarts and integrity to be a worls leader but difficult to say if he will win.

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^^^ I agree with you....I can't think of how to put in words what I am thinking....Bill Maher had Michael Moore and Ron Paul on the other night and they were talking about him and his views on global warming, health care and the war in Iraq and I agree with him and his views....he is very forward thinking and very passionate about correcting the wrongs that have been done in the past 6-8 years (mainly due to Bush IMO)

[quote=subterFUSE;492915]He will most likely not run. If he did run, he would not win. If he did win, he would make a horrible president.[/quote]

Why do you think that?

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yea i agree with you Dairy Queen. I have been up on this Gore thing also. Saw his interview on Charlie Rose and the article in last weeks Time. he keeps saying over and over that he will not run but im my heart IF he did, i think he would win for sure. and yea anyone except a republican would be good in my opinion.

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Al is my boss. If he runs, things will get a bit weird around the office.

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^^^ Tell us more!! As an observer here, I wonder if,as President, he would have to compromise too much. If he didn't, I to think he would be an amazing president!! and I think America needs this after the shrub!!

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[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=addXg-iDSfc[/YOUTUBE]imo

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well, he won the popular vote once before. Lots has happened since that time, but most of it would make people that voted for Bush more likely to vote for a Democrat than the other way around, so I think he'd have a pretty good shot if he got the nomination.

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Gore will run. Consider this: He's got a good shot at winning the Nobel Prize (for his work on global warming) and way too many are sold on the idea that he won the election a few years ago. OF COURSE he's going to run.

If we're going to have a democrat as president, it might as well be him. I dont' want two more obviously socialist (clinton and obama) idiots in office. But still, I feel like this mirrors what happened with Kerry in '04. I don't believe there are as many strong reasons to cast a vote FOR Gore than there are strongs reasons to NOT vote for his competition.

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What would be good reasons not to vote for Gore?

I agree on the Clinton/Obama remark: Clintdog is a disaster waiting to happen and as far as I know about Obama, he lacks a bit of experience to make it as president.

Gore is an intelligent and ballanced guy imo, so as an outsider I think he'd make a good president.

But seriously, who'd want to become president after Bush? 4 years aren't enough to clean up the mess he's caused on a global scale...

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^^^ exactly why i think he is not going to run

he would be a good president for the country , but taking office after bush would not be easy for him ... too much preassure i think

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[QUOTE=KinKyJ;493118]as far as I know about Obama, he lacks a bit of experience to make it as president. [/QUOTE]

This will probably be the toughest thing for him to overcome. After Bush's disastrous presidency, people aren't overly excited about more on-the-job training. I think it is more a perception thing than anything else, though. Bush hasn't sucked because of a lack of experience, he's just not up to the job. The reality is that lots of people have held the office with fairly low levels of national political experience and done OK. Matter of fact, if he spins it right, his not being a Washington insider could be a feather in his cap.

I had occasion to see Obama when he came through St. Louis recently, and I've got to say, the dude is electric in person. He's an incredible speaker, and he really comes across as genuine about the things he says. The problem is that he doesn't just deliver one-liners -- he steadily builds up to a crescendo, and it can take a couple of minutes for him to get from point A to point B. When he gets there, it really strikes a cord, but he's going to have to figure out how to get to that point quicker (read: in 30-60 seconds) if that's going to come across in debates and on the news. Media outlets do not play 3 minute clips of candidates, and his end point isn't the same if you haven't heard the build-up.

Gore/Obama would be a whale of a ticket, IMO. I think the GOP would be pretty hard-pressed to put someone up that could beat those two.

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^^ I should note that the way that Obama takes a while to get to what he's saying is quite different from Kerry's inability to quickly say anything. Kerry would just ramble and hedge, whereas Obama is definitely going somewhere -- his style is to build to a point rather than just come out with it - really effective when you have a captive audience, but not well suited to rapid-fire news coverage.

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[quote=KinKyJ;493118]But seriously, who'd want to become president after Bush? 4 years aren't enough to clean up the mess he's caused on a global scale...[/quote]

yup. thats the key right there... people will want a democrat to fix the shit bush has put in place.. this is why i think a demo is going to win 2008, but then everything most likely is not going to be fixed in the short run. ALSO, the demo's wil probably want to raise taxes, basically undue what bush did in 2001, so then the demo's will have to work overtime to keep office in 2012. either way, whatever the demo's do, the conserv's will exploit to its fullest and therefore, will most likely win 2012 =\

at least that is what i think, could be complete crap but yea..

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[quote=ddr;494021]yup. thats the key right there... people will want a democrat to fix the shit bush has put in place.. this is why i think a demo is going to win 2008, but then everything most likely is not going to be fixed in the short run. ALSO, the demo's wil probably want to raise taxes, basically undue what bush did in 2001, so then the demo's will have to work overtime to keep office in 2012. either way, whatever the demo's do, the conserv's will exploit to its fullest and therefore, will most likely win 2012 =\

at least that is what i think, could be complete crap but yea..[/quote]

Republicans will win in 2008. Hillary isn't going to win in the general election. In 2012, democrats will win because by then we're going to have about 12-18 million more Mexicans voting which will end the 2 party system in this country. It will just be a one party system.

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Seems like the most probable scenario if the dems win, ddr. But I don't think you can call that a doom scenario. So what if the cons win again in 2012? You won't hear me say I'm anti or pro con/dem.: I find good things with both. I just think Bush is a douche.

Subter: ow please @ the latter remark

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can't believe how stupid yankz are specially with the ones that support republicans.

here: my two cents

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRmqZRPgK1w[/YOUTUBE]

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Congrats for this useless contribution. I'm gonna watch some paint dry on my wall. Equally insteresting. :Bingo:

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i read the article in time magazine, it was quite impressive. I had thought that after running for president and loosing this man would disappear, you know but he has not only survived but emerged as a much larger personality. I frankly do not think that there is any one else out there who is better than him but thats just me......

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[quote=KinKyJ;493118]But seriously, who'd want to become president after Bush? 4 years aren't enough to clean up the mess he's caused on a global scale...[/quote]

hmmm that's a good point. Maybe that is why he hasnt thrown his hat in....maybe he should wait it out one more.....but then again, if anyone can actually clean it up, I think he would be able to

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[QUOTE=ddr;494021]yup. thats the key right there... people will want a democrat to fix the shit bush has put in place.. this is why i think a demo is going to win 2008, but then everything most likely is not going to be fixed in the short run. ALSO, the demo's wil probably want to raise taxes, basically undue what bush did in 2001, so then the demo's will have to work overtime to keep office in 2012. either way, whatever the demo's do, the conserv's will exploit to its fullest and therefore, will most likely win 2012 =\

at least that is what i think, could be complete crap but yea..[/QUOTE] I completely agree with you and find this is unfortunately the most likely scenario...of course, unless the democrats could find another way to blow another election, which as we all know is always possible. :roll:

the republicans have been getting very good at messing things up to the point where the dems actually have to come in and clean it up and then they exploit the dirty work the dems have to do to get it clean.

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[quote=rubyraks;494220]I completely agree with you and find this is unfortunately the most likely scenario...of course, unless the democrats could find another way to blow another election, which as we all know is always possible. :roll:

the republicans have been getting very good at messing things up to the point where the dems actually have to come in and clean it up and then they exploit the dirty work the dems have to do to get it clean.[/quote]

A lot of the mess we are in currently could be blamed on Bill Clinton. He raised taxes to the highest levels in history, and left the country in a recession. Bush lowered taxes and brought us out of it. Clinton crippled our military through cuts in defense spending. Now we need our military, and they are being stretched beyond the breaking point. Clinton had several opportunities to capture or kill Bin Laden, and he passed. He pulled out of Somalia, and made our country look weak.

There were numerous mistakes made by Bill Clinton which have affected the history leading up to where we are now. You can't just lay the blame squarely on Bush, or even Republicans in general. These problems were brewing long before Bush was in office. Truthfully, both sides have some responsibility.

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[quote=subterFUSE;494431]A lot of the mess we are in currently could be blamed on Bill Clinton. He raised taxes to the highest levels in history, and left the country in a recession. Bush lowered taxes and brought us out of it.[/quote]Great, you don't have a deficit anymore? [/sarcasm]. [quote]Clinton crippled our military through cuts in defense spending. Now we need our military, and they are being stretched beyond the breaking point.[/quote]Yeah, Iras doesn't have anything to do with being stretched [quote]Clinton had several opportunities to capture or kill Bin Laden, and he passed.[/quote]Bush has been hunting has been chasing him for years and failed too.[quote]He pulled out of Somalia, and made our country look weak.[/quote]Bush pulled into Iraq and made your country weak.

[quote]Truthfully, both sides have some responsibility.[/quote]Indeed

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[QUOTE=subterFUSE;494431]A lot of the mess we are in currently could be blamed on Bill Clinton. He raised taxes to the highest levels in history, and left the country in a recession. Bush lowered taxes and brought us out of it. Clinton crippled our military through cuts in defense spending. Now we need our military, and they are being stretched beyond the breaking point. Clinton had several opportunities to capture or kill Bin Laden, and he passed. He pulled out of Somalia, and made our country look weak.

There were numerous mistakes made by Bill Clinton which have affected the history leading up to where we are now. You can't just lay the blame squarely on Bush, or even Republicans in general. These problems were brewing long before Bush was in office. Truthfully, both sides have some responsibility.[/QUOTE]

Those are half truths that people aren't buying from the Republican party any longer. People are tired of the same Republican talking points crap. I won't waste my time debating each assertion you make.

As for Gore running, I think he'd have a great chance of winning. I'd probably even vote for him instead of the current candidates. The current candidates don't impress any one and we need a viable candidate. I just hope Gore doesn't try to run the same campaign he did in 2000. He should continue to fight battles and encourage people as he's done so for the last couple of years.

Gore could be the answer to help fight global warming, get us out of Iraq, raise taxes on the super rich, and repair the U.S reputation internationally.

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thanks kinky for making most of my arguments for me. ;)

[QUOTE=subterFUSE;494431]A lot of the mess we are in currently could be blamed on Bill Clinton. He raised taxes to the highest levels in history, and left the country in a recession. Bush lowered taxes and brought us out of it.[/QUOTE] There we go blaming the dems for doing the dirty work and while I'm at it, did we not have an early term recession with all of Reagan, Bush Sr. and Clinton as well? Let alone that Reagan had two, though I do agree that the early one was an absolute interest rate necessity and has provided many benefits going forward. Just making the point that recessions are cyclical and could only be put off for so long. Bush's economical success has nothing to do with our deficit...no that couldn't be. Frankly, Clinton and Bush tried to do it economically in quite opposite ways. One with the deficits and one without. The future will tell us how well Bush's has actually worked. Hell, in terms of economic cycles, how different has Bush's and Clinton's been during their 8 year terms? Almost identical with early recessions followed by later booms.

[QUOTE=subterFUSE;494431]Clinton crippled our military through cuts in defense spending. Now we need our military, and they are being stretched beyond the breaking point.[/QUOTE] There certainly was a mistake made in our military strategy following the Cold War. Truthfully, they overshot by thinking that a more technically savvy military could overcome manpower. [QUOTE=subterFUSE;494431]Clinton had several opportunities to capture or kill Bin Laden, and he passed. He pulled out of Somalia, and made our country look weak.[/QUOTE] I'm gonna go with kinky on these. ;) [QUOTE=subterFUSE;494431]There were numerous mistakes made by Bill Clinton which have affected the history leading up to where we are now. You can't just lay the blame squarely on Bush, or even Republicans in general. These problems were brewing long before Bush was in office. Truthfully, both sides have some responsibility.[/QUOTE] I didn't mean to imply otherwise. This I completely agree with.

Really, the only point I was trying to make is how the Republicans used to talk against big gov't and spending and how the dems were to blame for it, while the Republicans have consistently been the big spenders in office while cutting taxes, only to leave us with deficits that the dems have to clean up by both cutting spending and raising those taxes again. It's a vicious cycle and no one comes out looking good.

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^^^ thanks ruby for elaborating my points. Me so lazy today :)

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I try and frankly, it's not easy to keep my big mouth shut ;)

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[quote=subterFUSE;494431]A lot of the mess we are in currently could be blamed on Bill Clinton. He raised taxes to the highest levels in history, and left the country in a recession. Bush lowered taxes and brought us out of it. Clinton crippled our military through cuts in defense spending. Now we need our military, and they are being stretched beyond the breaking point. Clinton had several opportunities to capture or kill Bin Laden, and he passed. He pulled out of Somalia, and made our country look weak.

There were numerous mistakes made by Bill Clinton which have affected the history leading up to where we are now. You can't just lay the blame squarely on Bush, or even Republicans in general. These problems were brewing long before Bush was in office. Truthfully, both sides have some responsibility.[/quote]

Your ship is sinking.

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[quote=emuler;494047]can't believe how stupid yankz are specially with the ones that support republicans.

here: my two cents

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:lol: dude what the fuck kind of crack are you on?? that was the gheyest thing I've seen in a minute

back on topic... I think Gore is a smart enough guy, certainly no worse in that department than Bush (kinda hard to be)...but right now he'd have a long way to go before getting my vote.

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[quote=Miroslav;495203]back on topic... I think Gore is a smart enough guy, certainly no worse in that department than Bush (kinda hard to be)...but right now he'd have a long way to go before getting my vote.[/quote]

Exactly my position. Gore sounds like politics as usual. So do all of the mainstream candidates to varying degrees, especially Clinton.

Republicans, of course, are out of the question for me.