[ms] · Est. May 2002
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Please take a few minutes to see this short film, John Kerry has stressed previously that America doesnt know him, well here is a good look at the real John Kerry....and whats best about this, its in HIS OWN WORDS. Check the policy son!!
[url]http://media1.streamtoyou.com/rnc/080304v1.wmv[/url]
uh, did you do this yourself, neuro? No revelations here. I don't see where there was anything actually inconsistent with what has been said, or what he's saying now.
-Kerry has indicated that Saddam was a threat -Kerry has indicated that he would have supported the use of force to get rid of him -Kerry has said that he would have gone about the whole Iraq process differently (although I will grant you that it has been less than clear as to what exactly that means, except that he would have "sought more international support")
Honestly dude, this has been one of your all-time lamest posts. If you're going to ask us to watch something 12+ minutes long, I want to see some smoke and fire -- this doesn't even qualify as smoke and mirrors...
I want my 12 minutes back.
Extremely disappointed, toasty
PS There are loads of legitimate flip-flops out there. Why resort to this?
WOW. Kerry spells out exactly why he should retire into his cape cod villa and retreat from Politics. I've heard some of these interviews before but to see it all put together makes it very clear that he cant be trusted, especially his position on Iraq BEFORE he was running for president. Thanks Neuro.
Two additions to my earlier post:
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THX Neuro I'll check this once out after work... but honestly Toasty, a flip flop is a flip flop nuff said. He can't be trusted any more than Bush. You say lesser of two evils, I think not. :Bullshit:
Toasty, if you want to call this cut and paste, im not going to take issue...there were times I would have liked to hear the rest of the sentence too. But this is in no way propaganda(obviously)...its John Kerry with his own words...the fact is he cant make up his mind whether he likes coffee or tea, and irritates the hell out of me. I just cant find any respect for the guy, I have a deep feeling that he cannot be trusted(as well as most of the nation). I dont agree with everything Bush says or does...but damn atleast the guys got a spine of sheet metal. He spits it from the gut. I respect that, and I admire that.
A MESSAGE TO KERRY ABOUT A TEXAS PROVERB: Life is NOT like a box of chocolates. Life is like a jar of jalape?os. What you do today May burn your ass tomorrow.
So toasty if the film didnt do it for you, allow me to put some of his words in text?
"I said at the time I would have preferred if we had given diplomacy a greater opportunity, but I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein. And when the president made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him."[color=darkred]-john kerry may 3, 2003[/color]
"Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein, and those who believe that we are not safer with his capture, don't have the judgement to be president or the credibility to be elected president." [color=green]john kerry december 16, 2003[/color]
"Yes, I would have voted for the authority. I believe it's the right authority for a president to have. But I would have used that authority as I have said throughout this campaign, effectively."[color=orange] john kerry august 9, 2004[/color]
"Iraq was "the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time." [color=olive]john kerry September 6, 2004[/color]
"We should not send more troops. That would be the worst thing." [color=indigo]john kerry September 4, 2003[/color]
"If it requires more troops...that's what you have to do." [color=red]john kerry April 18, 2004[/color]
"I will have significant, enormous reduction in the level of troops." [color=green]john kerry August 1, 2004[/color]
"We're going to get our troops home where they belong." [color=cyan]john kerry August 6, 2004[/color]
"We should increase funding [for the war in Iraq] by whatever number of billions of dollars it takes to win." [color=darkblue]john kerry August 31, 2003[/color]
"200 billion [for Iraq] that we're not investing in education and health care, and job creation here at home...that's the wrong choice." [color=olive]john kerry September 8, 2004[/color]
The point is that this whole Kerry 'flip-flop' has been a humorous leitmotif of this campaign, and I cannot name 1 other candidate in the history of the United States that has fucked himself so painfully by his own words, that his own party is sitting around scratching their heads thinking what the fuck is going on?, atleast Bush can't run again in 4 years
I'm with toasty , fvck george w, bush ,Lick Bush and Dick in 2004- surely the Bush campaign couldve come up w/ something a little more substantiative less the tongue tied or should I say tongue twisted excerpts from several different stressful interviews, what the fvck eva he's a pig covering his murdering ass.Thank you very much!!!! Every dog will have his day. Freaking ass, cant believe people actually voted for his biggot , pig, retarded stank redneck white trash arse. Whew ,what a relieve!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
BeachBum, obviously you and toasty are chumming each others plums. Although I have to admit toasty has more CLASS,you of course can't even spell it. I think the rays from your tanning bed are attacking your shrill spirit, friend. Your clandestine and surreptitious bias is vindictive, and your only playing yourself, playa.
[quote=neur0t0xin64";p="48480]. Life is like a jar of jalape?os. What you do today May burn your ass tomorrow.[/quote]
sounds kinda like havin a chili seed lodged in your penis, after a dirty night out with a mexican whore.
But seriously, not sending more troops at this point would be worse, and quickly pulling out troops is going to get more soldiers killed. Kinda like being the last one to catch a ride out of Vietnam... but changing Presidents during a time of war is just unheard of. This just isn't something that is easily passed to the next leader.. Be rational... nobody wanted the war, we didn't get the international support we asked for... but now were in it and there is no turning back. I guarantee if elected Kerry will not last more than his four year term. :MadNow:
Hey anybody heard of the "induce act" S. 2560? Hollywood muthaf*@%ers trying to bogart the entertainment industry and destroy peer to peer software...waaaaay off topic but that is BULLSHIT!!! Fascist punks! Check this out: [url]http://www.corante.com/importance/archives/004563.html[/url]
"sounds kinda like havin a chili seed lodged in your penis, after a dirty night out with a mexican whore."
haha niice one balanc, oh hmmm heres one for you! Why do midgets smile when they play football?????? Because when they run...the grass tickles their BALLS!!! Ohhhhhhhhh
Oh yeah check out this BULLSHIT!! See how kerry supporters rip up a BUSH-CHENEY sign of an adorable 3 year old girl! [url]http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040916/480/wvrs10309162250[/url] This is the insidious nature and perilous politics of the democrats. Hey you know what i've been hearing alot of lately from my democratic constituants??? They keep saying they are honestly thinking about moving to another country...they are ashamed of the US. HIT THE STREETz GEEKz!!
^^^ damn. I made a topic ...
ps. i am not gonna write anything about John Kerry, except that his best friend is Ted Kennedy the poster boy for drunk driving murdering socialists.
Read More [url=http://www.liberalscum.com/tkennedy.html]Here.[/url]
Bush will win
[quote=neur0t0xin64";p="48524]BeachBum, obviously you and toasty are chumming each others plums. Although I have to admit toasty has more CLASS,you of course can't even spell it. I think the rays from your tanning bed are attacking your shrill spirit, friend. Your clandestine and surreptitious bias is vindictive, and your only playing yourself, playa.[/quote]
First off...lets start out by suggesting that you do your research and actually get some true and correct knowledge of the topics at hand. I am willing to bet that you were one of the first people to bitch when Farenheit 911 came out. "Woe is me" they misquoted and took things out of context to suit a specific political agenda. Same way things are getting misquoted and taken out of context to trash Kerry. Personally I can't stand either candidate. This will be a decision of the lessor evils. All I know is that fundamentally, I am democratic. I am a hard working middle class American citizen that deserves the same tax breaks as the wealthy. (And if I were wealthy) you better be damn straight that I would vote republican. Why wouldn't I, hell with the tax breaks that I would be granted alone, I could vacation in Ibiza for 2 months. And as far as Bush's ownership of America Plan...Have you tried buying anything lately? The real estate Market has become so astronomically high that only the wealthy can afford to buy a home. My partner and I are bringing home 60K a year and we work our asses off to do it. Bush states that that over the last several months it is evident his financial plan for America is finally working, he boast's that unemployment is down, (but did you know that people are only allowed a certain number of weeks through unemployment) and when it runs out they are no longer counted in the statistics. Doesn't mean they were able to find work, just means that they are no longer counted. There have been more than 2 million jobs outsourced to other countries...Now is this really a good economical plan? Knowing this information, can President Bush really declare that his financial strategy for America is beginning to work. I say NO. I say the unemployment levels are down because the numbers of countless Americans who have lost their jobs to outsourcing are no longer being counted. Can he say his financial strategy is working when the per capita of American citizens at poverty level has risen to almost all time highs. Oh I forgot, those people don't matter because they are only pawns in the game. I just ask you, before you make any decisions on who you are going to vote for, don't listen to what others say, don't listen to what the media has to say, I ask you to get involved with the issues and find out the truth for yourself. I have no problems with people voting for whoever they feel is the best man for the job, as long as they have made an informed decision based on factual evidence and whole truths. So with that I say, Peace Bro and May the best Man win Nov 2
[quote=neur0t0xin64";p="48480] A MESSAGE TO KERRY ABOUT A TEXAS PROVERB: Life is NOT like a box of chocolates. Life is like a jar of jalape?os. What you do today May burn your ass tomorrow. [/quote]
Obviously that quote doesn't hold true, otherwise Bush would be getting his ass burned daily for all the crap he's peddled to us over the past four years...on second thought, I guess we have 6 weeks to see if that proverb holds true.
[quote=neur0t0xin64";p="48569]"sounds kinda like havin a chili seed lodged in your penis, after a dirty night out with a mexican whore."
haha niice one balanc, oh hmmm heres one for you! Why do midgets smile when they play football?????? Because when they run...the grass tickles their BALLS!!! Ohhhhhhhhh
Oh yeah check out this BULLSHIT!! See how kerry supporters rip up a BUSH-CHENEY sign of an adorable 3 year old girl! [url]http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040916/480/wvrs10309162250[/url] This is the insidious nature and perilous politics of the democrats. Hey you know what i've been hearing alot of lately from my democratic constituants??? They keep saying they are honestly thinking about moving to another country...they are ashamed of the US. HIT THE STREETz GEEKz!![/quote]
Not too different in kind than how any appearance of dissent or dissension is treated by the Bush-Cheney thugs.
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[quote=BeachBum";p="49424] Have you tried buying anything lately? The real estate Market has become so astronomically high that only the wealthy can afford to buy a home. [/quote]
This is not true. My father is in real estate...interest rates are at an all time low and sales for real estate are up...very up. He sold more houses last year than the 3 previous years combined. If you ever watch the news, you would know that real estate is one of the least volatile markets right now and that sales are very high. Oh and he doesn't sell $million homes either, so it's not just the extremely wealthy that are buying homes. Maybe you should also consider where you live...sure real estate is always a hell of a lot higher in beach areas. That really isn't news though, most people who live on or near the beach are very wealthy. I think with a $60K income you would defiantely be able to find something, maybe just not on the beach.
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interesting, but doesn't really bring back a loss of 87 billion dollars, nor did it rebuild iraq's infrastructure, nor did it end terrorism, nor did it bring down gas prices.
complete waste of money and time, imo.
[quote=Trancelucent One";p="49543][quote=BeachBum";p="49424] Have you tried buying anything lately? The real estate Market has become so astronomically high that only the wealthy can afford to buy a home. [/quote]
This is not true. My father is in real estate...interest rates are at an all time low and sales for real estate are up...very up. He sold more houses last year than the 3 previous years combined. If you ever watch the news, you would know that real estate is one of the least volatile markets right now and that sales are very high. Oh and he doesn't sell $million homes either, so it's not just the extremely wealthy that are buying homes. Maybe you should also consider where you live...sure real estate is always a hell of a lot higher in beach areas. That really isn't news though, most people who live on or near the beach are very wealthy. I think with a $60K income you would defiantely be able to find something, maybe just not on the beach.[/quote]
Pam- I think your looking at things from the wrong angle. As of note, I recently bought my first house. So I am fully aware of how 'hot' the market is.
Interest rates are low due to the Federal Reserve cutting them to boost the economy. The chairman of the FR is Alan Greenspan who has been designated Chairman by Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Bush. When the economy starts to suffer they lower the rates to stir things up. You say interest rates are down as if they are a good thing. They are only down because our current economy is shit. You father may have sold the most homes ever but did you consider the whole picture?
My company has cut over 40,000 jobs since 9/11 (this is a [b]very [/b]conservative figure. Most of those laid off were forced to sell their homes to downgrade to smaller cheaper homes. These, now bargan priced homes (some would have to sell fast) combined with the super low interest rates makes for a hot real estate market. Which is why your father probably saw such a ramp up in sales. Also keep in mind that previous times in history the same effect would be seen when rates were lowered.
I think looking at real estate sales by itself can be a bit misleading. Since I would consider it a necessity rather than a luxury. If you want real economic gauges look at things like new car sales, consumer electronics.
I do agree that the economy is beginning to come out of its slump but merely because it inevatible(sp?). There are 4 stages to the economic cycle. Economic boom, slowdown, recession, and recovery. The only factor Bush & Co. can attempt to control is time. Which I believe he has done a poor job of.
Anyways back to the real estate market. Its a bad guage to the economy, and as BeachBum said housing prices are out of control. Its the same reason you are starting to see banking instutions offering 40 year fixed loans. This indicates to me that home prices are outpacing salaries (inflation anyone?). Also how many people do you know that have taken out ARM's (I know a whole lot). What happens when the rates start to rise again? I hope it doesen't happen because I would get the short end of the stick but I think there's a real estate bubble thats soon gonna burst, kinda like what people saw during the early 80's if not worse.
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link is broken.
Do you have another link?
[quote=neoee";p="49772] [quote=Trancelucent One";p="49543][quote=BeachBum";p="49424] Have you tried buying anything lately? The real estate Market has become so astronomically high that only the wealthy can afford to buy a home. [/quote]
This is not true. My father is in real estate...interest rates are at an all time low and sales for real estate are up...very up. He sold more houses last year than the 3 previous years combined. If you ever watch the news, you would know that real estate is one of the least volatile markets right now and that sales are very high. Oh and he doesn't sell $million homes either, so it's not just the extremely wealthy that are buying homes. Maybe you should also consider where you live...sure real estate is always a hell of a lot higher in beach areas. That really isn't news though, most people who live on or near the beach are very wealthy. I think with a $60K income you would defiantely be able to find something, maybe just not on the beach.[/quote]
Pam- I think your looking at things from the wrong angle. As of note, I recently bought my first house. So I am fully aware of how 'hot' the market is.
Interest rates are low due to the Federal Reserve cutting them to boost the economy. The chairman of the FR is Alan Greenspan who has been designated Chairman by Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Bush. When the economy starts to suffer they lower the rates to stir things up. You say interest rates are down as if they are a good thing. They are only down because our current economy is shit. You father may have sold the most homes ever but did you consider the whole picture?
My company has cut over 40,000 jobs since 9/11 (this is a [b]very [/b]conservative figure. Most of those laid off were forced to sell their homes to downgrade to smaller cheaper homes. These, now bargan priced homes (some would have to sell fast) combined with the super low interest rates makes for a hot real estate market. Which is why your father probably saw such a ramp up in sales. Also keep in mind that previous times in history the same effect would be seen when rates were lowered.
I think looking at real estate sales by itself can be a bit misleading. Since I would consider it a necessity rather than a luxury. If you want real economic gauges look at things like new car sales, consumer electronics.
I do agree that the economy is beginning to come out of its slump but merely because it inevatible(sp?). There are 4 stages to the economic cycle. Economic boom, slowdown, recession, and recovery. The only factor Bush & Co. can attempt to control is time. Which I believe he has done a poor job of.
Anyways back to the real estate market. Its a bad guage to the economy, and as BeachBum said housing prices are out of control. Its the same reason you are starting to see banking instutions offering 40 year fixed loans. This indicates to me that home prices are outpacing salaries (inflation anyone?). Also how many people do you know that have taken out ARM's (I know a whole lot). What happens when the rates start to rise again? I hope it doesen't happen because I would get the short end of the stick but I think there's a real estate bubble thats soon gonna burst, kinda like what people saw during the early 80's if not worse. [/quote]
I never said Real Estate was a gauge of how well the economy is. I was just pointing out that more people are buying homes now than they were a few years ago. I'm also aware of Alan Greenspan and interest rates. The point I was making is that the prices obviously aren't too high if people all over central florida are buying like crazy. My dad doesn't sell old houses either, 90% of his sales came from new homes that he helped design. These weren't huge homes either, average middle class homes. I just find it odd that new subdivisions are coming up everywhere in my hometown and there seems to be so much money pouring in. Maybe I'm not seeing the whole picture because I haven't seen it first hand. Also, many companies had to lay off people after 9/11 because a lot of money was lost as a result of the terrorist attacks NOT the way the country was being ran.
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^^^ I've seen the same thing here in Washington in terms of new developments. I realize that you were pointing out out that people are buying houses like crazy, but my point was its not because the price is right but more out of necessity (people getting into smaller houses). Also in regards of new houses they are typically cheaper to buy that older homes, at least around here (no appliances, window coverings, cheap materials).
Below is an article I stumbled across today. Particularly of note is the following paragraph: [quote]Earlier this month the U.S. Commerce Department reported a 0.7 percent dip in spending for June (a much steeper drop than the 0.1 percent drop economists were expecting), and the decline was attributed to the fact that job growth hasn't come back in yet, and personal income growth had been slight. That means residents of major metro areas such as New York or Chicago may rightfully grumble that they're paying boom economy prices for real estate in a non-booming economy. [/quote] [url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5696874/[/url]
Housing prices are continuing to rise and people are continuing to stretch using ARM's and 40 year mortgages and other means to get into homes.
[quote=Trancelucent One";p="49543][quote=BeachBum";p="49424] Have you tried buying anything lately? The real estate Market has become so astronomically high that only the wealthy can afford to buy a home. [/quote]
This is not true. My father is in real estate...interest rates are at an all time low and sales for real estate are up...very up. He sold more houses last year than the 3 previous years combined. If you ever watch the news, you would know that real estate is one of the least volatile markets right now and that sales are very high. Oh and he doesn't sell $million homes either, so it's not just the extremely wealthy that are buying homes. Maybe you should also consider where you live...sure real estate is always a hell of a lot higher in beach areas. That really isn't news though, most people who live on or near the beach are very wealthy. I think with a $60K income you would defiantely be able to find something, maybe just not on the beach.[/quote]
Actually, we moved to our area three years ago. When we moved here we could have bought a nice home for $100,000. In the last three years, due to the fall in the interest rates, the Real Estate market has boomed so astronomically that pricing for a modest home is now starting at $300+. We went with a real estate broker last week and looked at 52 homes that where priced from 100 - 150,000. Every single one of these homes where in a bad section of town, built in 1960, and never remodeled. They were absolutely hideous. Trailers were starting at $100,000. And when I say trailer, that is what I meant, Not a modular style home the old medal ones. This is not the beach areas either. This is inland. 20-30 miles from the beach. Maybe bush has nothing to do with Real Estate market (that was said out of anger) but his whole ownership of America proproganda is absolutely ludicrous. Nothing more than political propoganda during election time. Make the middle class and the poor think he is gonna be able to give them their dream. In my opinion, IT ISN'T GONNA HAPPEN. He needs to create jobs and keep the government spending at home where it can do more good for the American people. Also lemme ask, where do you think the billions and billions of dollars that we are spending in Iraq comes from especially when we are in debt, the fed can't just go out and print more money (that would cause the value of the dollar to decrease) We have to borrow it. We borrow the money from countries like China and Japan. Hmmm kind of interesting, we have to finance a war that should have never happened. Don't get me wrong, I supported the War until it was known that we were mislead into it. Where are all the WMD? Hell we still can't track down one terroist although I have a funny feeling they will catch Osama right before election time. Maybe I am wrong, but it would be quiet interesting to me if that happens.
Personally, the debate is mute. Im from Mass. and even here the people think Kerry is a joke. My vote goes to Nader
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The link now works.. must have exceeded bandwidth before. Anyway this isn't funny at all, it's the truth and frightens the hell out of me. I don't know why this didn't cause more of a stir up than Sinclair. Maybe 'cause it was paid for by the Republican party. If you are voting for Kerry ONLY because you are anti-war and unhappy that President Bush went to war with Iraq... you better watch this video and then come up with a better excuse to vote against Bush. :Bingo: