Re: Immigration Reform!?

[quote=emuler;490485]If I had a company that cleans windows I would definitely hire an American too bad they don't like to apply for that kind of shit.[/quote]

Those Americans would work those jobs if you raised the wage you are willing to pay. But why would you bother?

Re: Immigration Reform!?

sry. double post.

Re: Immigration Reform!?

[quote=Miroslav;490488]Those Americans would work those jobs if you raised the wage you are willing to pay. But why would you bother?[/quote]

[COLOR=white]you do know as each day goes by more companies pay the necessary wages when the illegal aliens get citizenship or green card, even when that happens they keep their jobs and I don't see any americans really competing for those jobs they just don't care for them and whine about em.[/COLOR]

Re: Immigration Reform!?

[quote=emuler;490516][COLOR=white]you do know as each day goes by more companies pay the necessary wages when the illegal aliens get citizenship or green card, even when that happens they keep their jobs and I don't see any americans really competing for those jobs they just don't care for them and whine about em.[/COLOR][/quote]You have actual data to prove that? I mean, if I was hiring illegals, I'd be thinking of costs and toss the mofo as soon as he'd be costing me one cent more.

Re: Immigration Reform!?

[quote=KinKyJ;490535]You have actual data to prove that? I mean, if I was hiring illegals, I'd be thinking of costs and toss the mofo as soon as he'd be costing me one cent more.[/quote] wow its america you can sue whoever you want. thats why they don't get rid of them.

Re: Immigration Reform!?

[QUOTE=subterFUSE;490315]Just because Bill Gates is rich doesn't mean he is an authority on economics.

He made it big with a technology company. He's a good business person, for sure. But does that make him an economist? Hardly.[/QUOTE]

you dont need to be a producer to know about music right?, so in the same way you dont need to be an economist to know about economics. i can asure you hes not going to say that just because he thinks so, besides im pretty sure he has a good economics team on microsoft, he knows everything he says in public will affect the market, so he wouldnt talk about something hes guessing about.

Re: Immigration Reform!?

[quote=emuler;490569]wow its america you can sue whoever you want. thats why they don't get rid of them.[/quote]True, but I doubt that Pancho can hire better lawyers than a company can. That said, how about that data?

Re: Immigration Reform!?

You hop the border illegally then you should pay the price.

Re: Immigration Reform!?

[quote=emuler;490569]wow its america you can sue whoever you want. thats why they don't get rid of them.[/quote]

In America, most employment in the private sector is "at will". That means that you can walk any time you want and they can make you leave whenever they want. They can't make you leave for discriminatory reasons (race/sex/orientation/etc.), but they can totally make you leave for financial reasons. And they routinely do - that's why all those American manufacturing jobs are overseas now. And if you're a Mexican immigrant who got canned, the burden will be upon you to [I]prove[/I] that the company fired you because you're a Mexican.

Re: Immigration Reform!?

[QUOTE] American families often are net tax payers during working age and net tax takers (benefits exceeding taxes) dur­ing retirement. This is not the case for low-skill immigrant households; in these households benefits substantially exceed taxes at every age level. Consequently, low-skill immigrant households impose substantial long-term costs on the U.S. taxpayer. Assuming an average adult life span of 60 years for each head of household, the average lifetime costs to the taxpayer will be nearly $1.2 million for each low-skill household for immediate benefits received minus all taxes paid. As noted, in 2004, there were 4.5 million low-skill immigrant households. With an average net fiscal deficit of $19,588 per household, the total annual fiscal deficit for all of these households together equaled $89.1 billion (the deficit of $19,588 per household times 4.54 million low-skill immigrant households). Over the next ten years, the net cost (benefits minus taxes) to the taxpayer of low-skill immigrant households will approach $1 trillion. [/QUOTE]

[URL]http://www.heritage.org/research/immigration/SR14es.cfm[/URL]

Don't normally read much from Heritage (i stick to CATO, preferably), but that raises my eyebrow to something I had not considered earlier....